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Footage from inside the plane of a flight attendant clearing passengers. https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1irwh9x/passenger_on_delta_airlines

Footage from inside the plane of a flight attendant clearing passengers. https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1irwh9x/passenger_on_delta_airlines_films_the_moment_they/ https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1irwh9x/...

varjag 2y ago
Lowkey mad at the lady dragging her hand luggage.
- kolp 2y ago
  To be fair, it had all her stuff, so she couldn't just leave it behind. /s
  - tssge 2y ago
    Sarcasm aside, while still not acceptable, some people might not have the means to buy new items to replace what they lost in a crash. So it is understandable for some people to make the choice of taking their luggage with them in such an event, as they might not have the wealth and/or insurance necessary to replace those items afterwards. Of course the solution would be to make airlines liable to replace passengers' luggage in the event of a crash and inform the passengers that they will do so, but that's not how the world works currently.
    - prmoustache 2y ago
      You really only have to keep your important papers in your pants pockets.
      - account42 2y ago
        Would be easier if airplane seats weren't as cramped.
    - wqaatwt 2y ago
      > liable to replace passengers' luggage Aren’t they? AFAIK it’s standard (if not required?) for airlines to have insurance which includes passenger legal liability. Were there any recent crashes where passengers weren’t compensated? e.g. after US Airways 1549 everyone received at minimum $5k (or higher depending on damages) for lost luggage. edit: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/205.5 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/205.5
      - tssge 2y ago
        In general the airlines just ask you to leave your luggage. If they were legally obliged to replace all your items, they would inform you of such. On international flights, an airline is liable for up to $1700 per the Montreal Convention. This might cover say half of one's laptop, which no matter how stupid it sounds, makes taking your luggage with you the only financially sensible choice in a crash (unless you have insurance). Now obviously such an event has other priorities than just financial ones, but it's no surprise if people choose to take their luggage with them. On US domestic flights the amount is somewhat higher, $4700. However even this might not be enough for some. On EU domestic flights it's 1800€. Airlines however are free to pay any amount they want, but they are not legally required to pay more than the limits set by law. So it is possible you will be reimbursed in full, but you wouldn't know that beforehand.
        michaelt 2y ago
        > This might cover say half of one's laptop, which no matter how stupid it sounds, makes taking your luggage with you the only financially sensible choice in a crash (unless you have insurance). If there's no smoke, no visible flames, and you can do so safely without obstructing other passengers' egress? I can see the argument, sure. Obviously if the cabin is filling with smoke or there are visible flames or other obvious dangers, the financially sensible choice is to evacuate ASAP as funerals often cost more than laptops.
        tssge 2y ago
        I'm not arguing it's right. Frankly, I think it's stupid the way things are. But I can understand why some people make such choice. I guess my argument mainly is that people who take their luggage are not stupid, instead their behavior may be highly rational, however we have the means to change it with by making such choice irrational and I wish we will.
    - Cthulhu_ 2y ago
      > Sarcasm aside, while still not acceptable, some people might not have the means to buy new items to replace what they lost in a crash. So it is understandable for some people to make the choice of taking their luggage with them in such an event, as they might not have the wealth and/or insurance necessary to replace those items afterwards. One person's means are not more important than the lives of the people on board. Stuff can be replaced; get everyone to safety first, then worry about stuff. And yeah airlines are liable to replace stuff in the event of a crash and pay for damages if it's their fault. If it's the fault of the airplane manufacturer, they will have to; Boeing paid out billions to all parties involved in accidents and groundings of the 737 max: > On January 7, 2021, Boeing settled to pay over $2.5 billion after being charged with fraud over the company's hiding of information from safety regulators: a criminal monetary penalty of $243.6 million, $1.77 billion of damages to airline customers, and a $500 million crash-victim beneficiaries fund. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_impact_of_the_Boeing_737_MAX_groundings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_impact_of_the_Boeing...
    - 7952 2y ago
      They might even need clean underwear and have that in mind. Probably the most scary experience of their lives and people act strangely.
      - account42 2y ago
        Still not a rational decision. Poopypants > crispy skin.
- amelius 2y ago
  And person making movie on their smartphone.
- kimos 2y ago
  While it’s clearly wrong to drag your bags out, I try to give people doing this some leeway. They are in shock and acting on instinct. I’d like to believe I’d do better but who knows.
- stranded22 2y ago
  Just for a different point of view, my wife is Type 1 Diabetic - no way she’d be leaving her medical stuff. It’s probably not that, but is possible.
  - throw0101c 2y ago
    > Just for a different point of view, my wife is Type 1 Diabetic - no way she’d be leaving her medical stuff. Perhaps a fanny pack would be a better idea: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_pack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_pack
    - latexr 2y ago
      Yes, better use a fanny pack and have it on you at all times. Don’t even remove it and store it in your bag temporarily when on an airplane, you never know if it’ll capsize on landing and you’ll need to avoid people on the internet criticising you. It also goes without saying that you should keep in on while showering and sleeping too, you never know when your hotel could catch on fire.
      - throw0101c 2y ago
        > Don’t even remove it and store it in your bag temporarily when on an airplane, you never know if it’ll capsize on landing and you’ll need to avoid people on the internet criticising you. You'll need to first avoid succumbing to smoke inhalation or flames if you don't get out in time (or cause someone else to not get out because your fumbling). The take-offs and landings (and perhaps add approach) phases of flight constitute ~5% of flight time, but the vast majority of the fatalities: * https://flightsafety.org/asw-article/loc-i-accidents-led-other-categories-data-show/ https://flightsafety.org/asw-article/loc-i-accidents-led-oth...
        latexr 2y ago
        Do you see lots of smoke and flames in this video? There are several people outside already, with backpacks too. It is incredible how people feel entitled to, based on a split second from a video, judge so harshly another human being who just went through a traumatic experience. We weren’t there. The situation looks under control. For all you know this person gave their turn to others inside the plane so they could get out before her.
- 542354234235 2y ago
  “We don't rise to the level of our expectations, we fall to the level of our training” – Archilochus People like to imagine how they would act in an extreme situation that is unique and beyond anything they have ever experienced before. But the reality is people do very poorly most of the time without regular training. In a crash, the adrenaline is flooding your body, and most people are not “thinking” much at all. You know you need to get out but your brain is barely processing, so what do you do when you exit a plane? You grab your luggage and head for the door. Flight attendants giving simple, clear, easy to follow instructions is partly because people are not thinking and processing properly and need help doing things that would be easy in a non-emergency situation.
  - psunavy03 2y ago
    Airline pilots I've worked with have said that this is also why when evacuating the jet in an emergency, they put on their uniform hat. So they're immediately mentally flagged as "authority figure." Also, there was an emergency a few years ago where a jet lost cabin pressure, and people were getting dragged on social media afterwards for not putting the oxygen masks over their noses.
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- stronglikedan 2y ago
  I wouldn't have enough context to be mad. That sounds stressful and unhealthy.

varjag 2y ago

Lowkey mad at the lady dragging her hand luggage.

kolp 2y ago
To be fair, it had all her stuff, so she couldn't just leave it behind. /s
- tssge 2y ago
  Sarcasm aside, while still not acceptable, some people might not have the means to buy new items to replace what they lost in a crash. So it is understandable for some people to make the choice of taking their luggage with them in such an event, as they might not have the wealth and/or insurance necessary to replace those items afterwards. Of course the solution would be to make airlines liable to replace passengers' luggage in the event of a crash and inform the passengers that they will do so, but that's not how the world works currently.
  - prmoustache 2y ago
    You really only have to keep your important papers in your pants pockets.
    - account42 2y ago
      Would be easier if airplane seats weren't as cramped.
  - wqaatwt 2y ago
    > liable to replace passengers' luggage Aren’t they? AFAIK it’s standard (if not required?) for airlines to have insurance which includes passenger legal liability. Were there any recent crashes where passengers weren’t compensated? e.g. after US Airways 1549 everyone received at minimum $5k (or higher depending on damages) for lost luggage. edit: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/205.5 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/205.5
    - tssge 2y ago
      In general the airlines just ask you to leave your luggage. If they were legally obliged to replace all your items, they would inform you of such. On international flights, an airline is liable for up to $1700 per the Montreal Convention. This might cover say half of one's laptop, which no matter how stupid it sounds, makes taking your luggage with you the only financially sensible choice in a crash (unless you have insurance). Now obviously such an event has other priorities than just financial ones, but it's no surprise if people choose to take their luggage with them. On US domestic flights the amount is somewhat higher, $4700. However even this might not be enough for some. On EU domestic flights it's 1800€. Airlines however are free to pay any amount they want, but they are not legally required to pay more than the limits set by law. So it is possible you will be reimbursed in full, but you wouldn't know that beforehand.
      - michaelt 2y ago
        > This might cover say half of one's laptop, which no matter how stupid it sounds, makes taking your luggage with you the only financially sensible choice in a crash (unless you have insurance). If there's no smoke, no visible flames, and you can do so safely without obstructing other passengers' egress? I can see the argument, sure. Obviously if the cabin is filling with smoke or there are visible flames or other obvious dangers, the financially sensible choice is to evacuate ASAP as funerals often cost more than laptops.
        tssge 2y ago
        I'm not arguing it's right. Frankly, I think it's stupid the way things are. But I can understand why some people make such choice. I guess my argument mainly is that people who take their luggage are not stupid, instead their behavior may be highly rational, however we have the means to change it with by making such choice irrational and I wish we will.
  - Cthulhu_ 2y ago
    > Sarcasm aside, while still not acceptable, some people might not have the means to buy new items to replace what they lost in a crash. So it is understandable for some people to make the choice of taking their luggage with them in such an event, as they might not have the wealth and/or insurance necessary to replace those items afterwards. One person's means are not more important than the lives of the people on board. Stuff can be replaced; get everyone to safety first, then worry about stuff. And yeah airlines are liable to replace stuff in the event of a crash and pay for damages if it's their fault. If it's the fault of the airplane manufacturer, they will have to; Boeing paid out billions to all parties involved in accidents and groundings of the 737 max: > On January 7, 2021, Boeing settled to pay over $2.5 billion after being charged with fraud over the company's hiding of information from safety regulators: a criminal monetary penalty of $243.6 million, $1.77 billion of damages to airline customers, and a $500 million crash-victim beneficiaries fund. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_impact_of_the_Boeing_737_MAX_groundings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_impact_of_the_Boeing...
  - 7952 2y ago
    They might even need clean underwear and have that in mind. Probably the most scary experience of their lives and people act strangely.
    - account42 2y ago
      Still not a rational decision. Poopypants > crispy skin.
amelius 2y ago
And person making movie on their smartphone.
kimos 2y ago
While it’s clearly wrong to drag your bags out, I try to give people doing this some leeway. They are in shock and acting on instinct. I’d like to believe I’d do better but who knows.
stranded22 2y ago
Just for a different point of view, my wife is Type 1 Diabetic - no way she’d be leaving her medical stuff. It’s probably not that, but is possible.
- throw0101c 2y ago
  > Just for a different point of view, my wife is Type 1 Diabetic - no way she’d be leaving her medical stuff. Perhaps a fanny pack would be a better idea: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_pack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_pack
  - latexr 2y ago
    Yes, better use a fanny pack and have it on you at all times. Don’t even remove it and store it in your bag temporarily when on an airplane, you never know if it’ll capsize on landing and you’ll need to avoid people on the internet criticising you. It also goes without saying that you should keep in on while showering and sleeping too, you never know when your hotel could catch on fire.
    - throw0101c 2y ago
      > Don’t even remove it and store it in your bag temporarily when on an airplane, you never know if it’ll capsize on landing and you’ll need to avoid people on the internet criticising you. You'll need to first avoid succumbing to smoke inhalation or flames if you don't get out in time (or cause someone else to not get out because your fumbling). The take-offs and landings (and perhaps add approach) phases of flight constitute ~5% of flight time, but the vast majority of the fatalities: * https://flightsafety.org/asw-article/loc-i-accidents-led-other-categories-data-show/ https://flightsafety.org/asw-article/loc-i-accidents-led-oth...
      - latexr 2y ago
        Do you see lots of smoke and flames in this video? There are several people outside already, with backpacks too. It is incredible how people feel entitled to, based on a split second from a video, judge so harshly another human being who just went through a traumatic experience. We weren’t there. The situation looks under control. For all you know this person gave their turn to others inside the plane so they could get out before her.
542354234235 2y ago
“We don't rise to the level of our expectations, we fall to the level of our training” – Archilochus People like to imagine how they would act in an extreme situation that is unique and beyond anything they have ever experienced before. But the reality is people do very poorly most of the time without regular training. In a crash, the adrenaline is flooding your body, and most people are not “thinking” much at all. You know you need to get out but your brain is barely processing, so what do you do when you exit a plane? You grab your luggage and head for the door. Flight attendants giving simple, clear, easy to follow instructions is partly because people are not thinking and processing properly and need help doing things that would be easy in a non-emergency situation.
- psunavy03 2y ago
  Airline pilots I've worked with have said that this is also why when evacuating the jet in an emergency, they put on their uniform hat. So they're immediately mentally flagged as "authority figure." Also, there was an emergency a few years ago where a jet lost cabin pressure, and people were getting dragged on social media afterwards for not putting the oxygen masks over their noses.
- deleted 2y ago
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stronglikedan 2y ago
I wouldn't have enough context to be mad. That sounds stressful and unhealthy.