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Everybody should stop using Google products.

jsheard 2y ago
AIUI the VTuber scene is very YouTube-centric compared to most other streaming subcultures, so it's easier said than done in this case. If they're doing this professionally (or trying to) then they need to be where the audience is.
- starkparker 2y ago
  Is it possible that being a VTuber isn't a sustainable profession, then? If only one company exists that can pay people to perform your role, and that company capriciously locked random employees out of all systems over a misunderstanding, and it's seemingly impossible to start up a competitor or find any other way to get paid doing it... maybe find another job?
  - Schiendelman 2y ago
    You are absolutely right. People don't really like hearing it.
    - Dylan16807 2y ago
      If your response to someone's worry about job security is "quit preemptively" of course they won't want to hear it. It's not a great reason to quit.
      - Schiendelman 2y ago
        It most certainly is. In most cases, it is much easier to find a job while you have a job than it is to find a job when you don't have a job. The action isn't "quit preemptively", the action is finding another job now, instead of making some other investment you would With your time today.
        Dylan16807 2y ago
        > In most cases, it is much easier to find a job while you have a job than it is to find a job when you don't have a job. I think "streamer" is one of those cases where it's least true. > The action isn't "quit preemptively", the action is finding another job now, instead of making some other investment you would With your time today. The action is finding an entirely different career which is a lot more obnoxious than finding another job normally is. Sometimes risk is less bad than the alternatives.
  - pjc50 2y ago
    Why should someone give up pre-emptively on the thing they want to do simply because of a risk of corporate bullshit? You're just saying "get a real job", the classic dismissal of creatives everywhere.
    - Schiendelman 2y ago
      I think you're putting words in their mouth (or should we say on their keyboard?).
- zmgsabst 2y ago
  Is it? The ones I’m aware of stream primarily on Twitch with YT for clips.
  - jsheard 2y ago
    I think it may actually depend on the region, Japanese VTubers seem to primarily stream on YouTube but international VTubers lean more towards Twitch. Maybe OP could jump ship in that case.
  - lmm 2y ago
    There are two almost distinct VTuber cultures. One is Twitch-based, livestream-oriented, and sees vtubing as an extension of individual livestreaming. Another is YouTube-based, balances livestreaming with VODs and recorded videos (particularly music videos), and sees vtubing as an idol-unit-style group activity.
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- beretguy 2y ago
  Yes, unfortunately YouTube is the last Google products I can't abandon because of the few YouTuber I like. But I try to use YouTube fronts.
ulfw 2y ago
Agreed but sadly for something like Youtube it's basically impossible at this stage. I've long replaced Mail, Maps, Calendar, Photos, Drive, etc with better alternatives from Apple and Microsoft.
- zeroday28 2y ago
  > with better alternatives from Apple and Microsoft. There is no difference in terms of privacy. If that's why you replaced them.
  - Schiendelman 2y ago
    You're seriously suggesting Apple and Google have no difference in privacy?
    - yellowapple 2y ago
      That is indeed a serious suggestion, and an absolutely correct one. Transparency is a dependency of trust. Neither Google, Apple, nor Microsoft are transparent about the software they offer, the data that software collects, or how they use the data collected. They are in fact quite opaque about all of those things. The only assurance of privacy they offer is their word.
      - sureIy 2y ago
        Microsoft I agree, same as Google if not worse. Apple does have the occasional third-party review of cryptography and whatnot. Apple also have an actual, single phone support number in multiple languages and countries that you can use as a paying customer. Day and night with Google.
      - xethos 2y ago
        And while that's not an unreasonable rebuttal, my first argument (in agreement with yours) is that Google does not sell their users' information, and neither does Apple. Being up in arms about the lack of privacy from Google is fair, and something I agree with. But Apple doesn't offer dramatically more privacy from Apple that I'm aware of. Both allow, but discourage, free accounts, and run ad networks (that they don't sell user information on) I'm not even arguing there's no difference, just that there's less than everyone likes to pretend
xyst 2y ago
I miss the days of discovering random sites that had their own content. I remember discovering the warez scene and using IRC to snatch up the latest discography or film. I think I discovered new films and music just by browsing what was served up. It’s a shame torrenting never became mainstream for legitimate content. Commenting and community engagement can be distributed or federated like Lemmy or mastodon and “primary content” to be distributed/streamed via P2P. Successful content creators can ultimately pay for VPS to help distribute/seed. And upstarts can share their content on their residential connection.
- tjpnz 2y ago
  >I remember discovering the warez scene and using IRC to snatch up the latest discography or film. I think I discovered new films and music just by browsing what was served up. In terms of discoverability their websites were better than the streamers of today - and we're going back 20+ years here. There's a strong argument to be made that price is only a small part in why people opt for piracy. The UI/UX is better, the support is better, even the situation around privacy is better provided you're going somewhere legit.
inquirerGeneral 2y ago
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AIUI the VTuber scene is very YouTube-centric compared to most other streaming subcultures, so it's easier said than done in this case. If they're doing this professionally (or trying to) then they need to be where the audience is.

starkparker 2y ago
Is it possible that being a VTuber isn't a sustainable profession, then? If only one company exists that can pay people to perform your role, and that company capriciously locked random employees out of all systems over a misunderstanding, and it's seemingly impossible to start up a competitor or find any other way to get paid doing it... maybe find another job?
- Schiendelman 2y ago
  You are absolutely right. People don't really like hearing it.
  - Dylan16807 2y ago
    If your response to someone's worry about job security is "quit preemptively" of course they won't want to hear it. It's not a great reason to quit.
    - Schiendelman 2y ago
      It most certainly is. In most cases, it is much easier to find a job while you have a job than it is to find a job when you don't have a job. The action isn't "quit preemptively", the action is finding another job now, instead of making some other investment you would With your time today.
      - Dylan16807 2y ago
        > In most cases, it is much easier to find a job while you have a job than it is to find a job when you don't have a job. I think "streamer" is one of those cases where it's least true. > The action isn't "quit preemptively", the action is finding another job now, instead of making some other investment you would With your time today. The action is finding an entirely different career which is a lot more obnoxious than finding another job normally is. Sometimes risk is less bad than the alternatives.
- pjc50 2y ago
  Why should someone give up pre-emptively on the thing they want to do simply because of a risk of corporate bullshit? You're just saying "get a real job", the classic dismissal of creatives everywhere.
  - Schiendelman 2y ago
    I think you're putting words in their mouth (or should we say on their keyboard?).
zmgsabst 2y ago
Is it? The ones I’m aware of stream primarily on Twitch with YT for clips.
- jsheard 2y ago
  I think it may actually depend on the region, Japanese VTubers seem to primarily stream on YouTube but international VTubers lean more towards Twitch. Maybe OP could jump ship in that case.
- lmm 2y ago
  There are two almost distinct VTuber cultures. One is Twitch-based, livestream-oriented, and sees vtubing as an extension of individual livestreaming. Another is YouTube-based, balances livestreaming with VODs and recorded videos (particularly music videos), and sees vtubing as an idol-unit-style group activity.
- deleted 2y ago
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beretguy 2y ago
Yes, unfortunately YouTube is the last Google products I can't abandon because of the few YouTuber I like. But I try to use YouTube fronts.

ulfw 2y ago

Agreed but sadly for something like Youtube it's basically impossible at this stage. I've long replaced Mail, Maps, Calendar, Photos, Drive, etc with better alternatives from Apple and Microsoft.

zeroday28 2y ago
> with better alternatives from Apple and Microsoft. There is no difference in terms of privacy. If that's why you replaced them.
- Schiendelman 2y ago
  You're seriously suggesting Apple and Google have no difference in privacy?
  - yellowapple 2y ago
    That is indeed a serious suggestion, and an absolutely correct one. Transparency is a dependency of trust. Neither Google, Apple, nor Microsoft are transparent about the software they offer, the data that software collects, or how they use the data collected. They are in fact quite opaque about all of those things. The only assurance of privacy they offer is their word.
    - sureIy 2y ago
      Microsoft I agree, same as Google if not worse. Apple does have the occasional third-party review of cryptography and whatnot. Apple also have an actual, single phone support number in multiple languages and countries that you can use as a paying customer. Day and night with Google.
    - xethos 2y ago
      And while that's not an unreasonable rebuttal, my first argument (in agreement with yours) is that Google does not sell their users' information, and neither does Apple. Being up in arms about the lack of privacy from Google is fair, and something I agree with. But Apple doesn't offer dramatically more privacy from Apple that I'm aware of. Both allow, but discourage, free accounts, and run ad networks (that they don't sell user information on) I'm not even arguing there's no difference, just that there's less than everyone likes to pretend

xyst 2y ago

I miss the days of discovering random sites that had their own content. I remember discovering the warez scene and using IRC to snatch up the latest discography or film. I think I discovered new films and music just by browsing what was served up. It’s a shame torrenting never became mainstream for legitimate content. Commenting and community engagement can be distributed or federated like Lemmy or mastodon and “primary content” to be distributed/streamed via P2P. Successful content creators can ultimately pay for VPS to help distribute/seed. And upstarts can share their content on their residential connection.

tjpnz 2y ago
>I remember discovering the warez scene and using IRC to snatch up the latest discography or film. I think I discovered new films and music just by browsing what was served up. In terms of discoverability their websites were better than the streamers of today - and we're going back 20+ years here. There's a strong argument to be made that price is only a small part in why people opt for piracy. The UI/UX is better, the support is better, even the situation around privacy is better provided you're going somewhere legit.

inquirerGeneral 2y ago

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