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Granted, I would still rather them designed for lighter weight. But that’s a separate issue w suv culture which is bad for society and environment in general. T
by caycep 2y ago
Granted, I would still rather them designed for lighter weight. But that’s a separate issue w suv culture which is bad for society and environment in general. Totally would buy a 3000 pound EV around the size of a euro hatch.
- peterbecich 2y agoAgreed about SUV culture. American consumers demand giant cars. It is a safety arms race and also cultural preference.
- BigGreenJorts 2y agoI'm not convinced of the "safety". SUVs (and larger cars in general) have higher risk of roll over. Not to mention you're a bigger target on the road; how often are accidents head-on collisions compared to a corner clip that sends the other spinning. Don't majority of "accidents" happen in parking lots? Last year I was driving a lot of different cars for work. I was really excited once when I got a RAV4 because I've lived most Toyotas I've driven and I've never tried any of their SUVs. The car doesn't come with blindspots mirrors and it is actually impossible to see a car sitting in your blindspots.
- peterbecich 2y agoI would prefer to live in a world where all the cars are small. Taking your example of a corner clip, the larger car would fare better; the smaller car will spin more. There is no better description than "arms race." I understand there are edge cases with rollover, etc. but the first rule is mass. I suppose the second rule is where between the two cars the force is absorbed. Ideally bumper-to-bumper. Modified lifted trucks ought to be banned as far as I'm concerned; it defeats the factory design that had to comply with laws.
- redeux 2y agoThe Nissan Leaf is in the 3000 lbs range and a fairly small hatchback.
- NewJazz 2y agoBolt EV is ~3600 lbs
- datavirtue 2y agoThat's not too bad but it is probably an above average mid sized sedan weight in a compact body.
- leipie 2y agoMy Citroën C-Zero (Mitsubishi i-MiEV clone) is a quirky fun car to drive. Surprisingly big on the inside. Very plain old skool car. Just turn the key and go. No dumb computers/dashboard in it trying to smart. I bought it for 4000 euros second hand. Only down side it had an original range of ~120km and it has 120000km on the clock. The battery is down to 60km range, after those ~1500 cycles... But aftermarket batteries with for the original range are now available for "just" 11000,- If they would build a modern version of it, I would buy it.
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- Aromasin 2y agoI recently just sold on my old car, as I'm getting a company one. Figured it'd be some estate or coupe with good motorway mileage. Nope. Instead it's an SUV, which I've routinely given people shit for, for the last few years. The things are a plague that are starting to infest even corporate motor pools, and this is in the UK of all places, where the country roads are more often than not the width of a small hatchback.
- NewJazz 2y agoThere are a few ways to get the weight down. Improvements in battery chemistry, lower range trims, and simply smaller vehicles.
- Scoundreller 2y agoWould love to buy a 100km range EV with easily accessible/rentable +~300km booster batteries for the occasional long drive. I guess an occasional ICE rental could fill the gap but they often nail you on long distances
- dzhiurgis 2y agoI don’t think you realise how cheap batteries are…
- BigGreenJorts 2y agoWhat? They were talking about weight. Price was not a factor.
- dzhiurgis 2y agoWhy is weight so important to you? It has like 10% impact to tyre wear vs how many things you'd have to sacrifice for it.
- MagicMoonlight 2y agoThat’s like saying you want a 60HP engine that you can hot swap for a 300HP engine. They’re built into the hulls!
- theoreticalmal 2y agoSo? Build them into removable packs
- skort 2y agoYes! Lighter weight would help make them safer and would help with the other big issue which is road wear.
- theoreticalmal 2y agoSafer for whom? Not the occupants…
- xbmcuser 2y agoI believe that cars of this size should be the most common vehicles on the road. They efficiently meet the transportation needs of most people while consuming significantly fewer resources than larger cars. However, for decades, American consumers have been influenced by marketing campaigns promoting larger vehicles. This trend began when Ford and GM sought to protect their market share from smaller, more fuel-efficient Japanese imports.. https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/international/cheap-mini-evs-sparkle-chinas-smaller-poorer-cities https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/international/cheap-mini-ev...
- bruckie 2y agoNot just marketing campaigns: also federal CAFE fuel efficiency standards that have a lower efficiency requirement for light trucks (including SUVs) than for passenger vehicles. https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/24139147/suvs-trucks-popularity-federal-policy-pollution https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/24139147/suvs-trucks-popu...
- tenuousemphasis 2y agoThere's the Fiat 500e