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Nissan Leaf now starts at $28k. Chevy Bolt is now $26.5k (was, now discontinued). Given that the dolphin goes for $21k in Mexico, it isn't a huge price diff, de

Nissan Leaf now starts at $28k. Chevy Bolt is now $26.5k (was, now discontinued). Given that the dolphin goes for $21k in Mexico, it isn't a huge price diff, definitely not 2-3x. Not sure where you see Model 3 for just $30k, it starts at $40k in the USA. Only in China does a model 3 cost $32k.

bagels 2y ago
The Chevy Bolt was discontinued.
- seanmcdirmid 2y ago
  Oops, I missed that. The Leaf is still for sale.
  - femto 2y ago
    The Leaf has just been discontinued and Nissan is running out the remaining stock at about 30% discount, making it one of the cheapest EVs in the market where I live. If it's the car you want, now's a good time to buy a Leaf.
    - rsynnott 2y ago
      There'll be another one along next year, though it may or may not be called a Leaf.
  - nunez 2y ago
    Still sad about this. The Bolt is an incredible EV that's perfect for its price point.
  - wkat4242 2y ago
    Doesn't that have very bad battery degradation due to lack of cooling system for it? That's what my friend said who is really into EVs. Personally I don't have any type of car.
    - ianburrell 2y ago
      Nissan Leaf has 2nd generation that is supposed to have fixed the battery degradation.
    - rsynnott 2y ago
      Well… I mean that was the case 8 years ago, though it was somewhat exaggerated (it was a first-gen Leaf thing; the first gen was only made 2010-2017).
- tw04 2y ago
  Not exactly. There is a 2025/26 model coming out. They just stopped selling it while they moved it to a new platform and battery. https://electrek.co/2025/02/06/first-look-new-chevy-bolt-ev-video/ https://electrek.co/2025/02/06/first-look-new-chevy-bolt-ev-...
_huayra_ 2y ago
> Nissan Leaf now starts at $28k. Kinda missing the point that you get 50% more range in the Dolphin, plus a lot of additional niceties / tech stuff that is just not available in the Leaf.
- seanmcdirmid 2y ago
  > Kinda missing the point that you get 50% more range in the Dolphin, Nissan leaf: 240 km (149 miles) for the 40 kWh version and 341 km (212 miles) for the 62 kWh version. BYD Dolphin: 340 km (211 mi) for the 45 Kwh version, 427 km (265 mi) for the 60kWh version. The cheapest 30 KwH version doesn't have a WLTP range that I can find (I don't think it is being exported outside of China anyways according to wiki). Leaf is less, but it isn't 50% of the range.
  - bestouff 2y ago
    Not 50% but 240km to 340km is still more than 40%. Not too bad.
- rsynnott 2y ago
  There are more competitive cars at the price point in Europe (the Leaf is kinda long in the tooth now; second-gen is 8 years old), but the US is likely not a priority market for cheap EVs; it's a smaller market for EVs _in general_ than either Europe or China, and it's also not a good market for small cars. I assume that the 25k EUR id.2 (replacement for the VW eUp, out early next year) will launch in the US, tho, and should be competitive with the Dolphin.
klooney 2y ago
https://www.tesla.com/model3 https://www.tesla.com/model3 says "From $29,9901"
- kmonsen 2y ago
  Isn’t that including tax breaks? Yes after checking the cheapest is $42k the advertised price includes 7500 tax break and 5000 in gas savings.
  - drawkward 2y ago
    Yes; Elon receives welfare.
tzs 2y ago
> Not sure where you see Model 3 for just $30k, it starts at $40k in the USA Probably from Tesla.com. It lists the long range RWD cash price as $29920 (in my state) unless you notice the checked checkbox that says "Include est. incentives of $7,500 and 5-year gas savings of $<whatever> for <your_state>" and uncheck it. $whatever is $5000 for my state.
- AtlasBarfed 2y ago
  Still expensive for a swastika. This will be interesting to unpack, seeing what happens to Tesla in a marketing theory sense. I predict that Chinese and us manufacturers will partner or rebadge Mexican or Canadian made Chinese EVs within a decade Also, I believe the sodium ion battery has yet to impact the EV market. In theory a 200-300 mile car of sodium ion batteries should be 1/2 that of NCM drivetrain or less. That should enable a sub 10k car even in the us

bagels 2y ago

The Chevy Bolt was discontinued.

seanmcdirmid 2y ago
Oops, I missed that. The Leaf is still for sale.
- femto 2y ago
  The Leaf has just been discontinued and Nissan is running out the remaining stock at about 30% discount, making it one of the cheapest EVs in the market where I live. If it's the car you want, now's a good time to buy a Leaf.
  - rsynnott 2y ago
    There'll be another one along next year, though it may or may not be called a Leaf.
- nunez 2y ago
  Still sad about this. The Bolt is an incredible EV that's perfect for its price point.
- wkat4242 2y ago
  Doesn't that have very bad battery degradation due to lack of cooling system for it? That's what my friend said who is really into EVs. Personally I don't have any type of car.
  - ianburrell 2y ago
    Nissan Leaf has 2nd generation that is supposed to have fixed the battery degradation.
  - rsynnott 2y ago
    Well… I mean that was the case 8 years ago, though it was somewhat exaggerated (it was a first-gen Leaf thing; the first gen was only made 2010-2017).
tw04 2y ago
Not exactly. There is a 2025/26 model coming out. They just stopped selling it while they moved it to a new platform and battery. https://electrek.co/2025/02/06/first-look-new-chevy-bolt-ev-video/ https://electrek.co/2025/02/06/first-look-new-chevy-bolt-ev-...

_huayra_ 2y ago

> Nissan Leaf now starts at $28k. Kinda missing the point that you get 50% more range in the Dolphin, plus a lot of additional niceties / tech stuff that is just not available in the Leaf.

seanmcdirmid 2y ago
> Kinda missing the point that you get 50% more range in the Dolphin, Nissan leaf: 240 km (149 miles) for the 40 kWh version and 341 km (212 miles) for the 62 kWh version. BYD Dolphin: 340 km (211 mi) for the 45 Kwh version, 427 km (265 mi) for the 60kWh version. The cheapest 30 KwH version doesn't have a WLTP range that I can find (I don't think it is being exported outside of China anyways according to wiki). Leaf is less, but it isn't 50% of the range.
- bestouff 2y ago
  Not 50% but 240km to 340km is still more than 40%. Not too bad.
rsynnott 2y ago
There are more competitive cars at the price point in Europe (the Leaf is kinda long in the tooth now; second-gen is 8 years old), but the US is likely not a priority market for cheap EVs; it's a smaller market for EVs _in general_ than either Europe or China, and it's also not a good market for small cars. I assume that the 25k EUR id.2 (replacement for the VW eUp, out early next year) will launch in the US, tho, and should be competitive with the Dolphin.

klooney 2y ago

https://www.tesla.com/model3 https://www.tesla.com/model3 says "From $29,9901"

kmonsen 2y ago
Isn’t that including tax breaks? Yes after checking the cheapest is $42k the advertised price includes 7500 tax break and 5000 in gas savings.
- drawkward 2y ago
  Yes; Elon receives welfare.

tzs 2y ago

> Not sure where you see Model 3 for just $30k, it starts at $40k in the USA Probably from Tesla.com. It lists the long range RWD cash price as $29920 (in my state) unless you notice the checked checkbox that says "Include est. incentives of $7,500 and 5-year gas savings of $<whatever> for <your_state>" and uncheck it. $whatever is $5000 for my state.

AtlasBarfed 2y ago
Still expensive for a swastika. This will be interesting to unpack, seeing what happens to Tesla in a marketing theory sense. I predict that Chinese and us manufacturers will partner or rebadge Mexican or Canadian made Chinese EVs within a decade Also, I believe the sodium ion battery has yet to impact the EV market. In theory a 200-300 mile car of sodium ion batteries should be 1/2 that of NCM drivetrain or less. That should enable a sub 10k car even in the us