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I wish America was a free market economy that embraced capitalism. The American consumer is getting screwed over and forced to pay more for an inferior product

I wish America was a free market economy that embraced capitalism. The American consumer is getting screwed over and forced to pay more for an inferior product because the government wants to protect the local auto cartel.

nextworddev 2y ago
Would be more intriguing if American companies e.g. Facebook, Tesla were also allowed in China.
- cute_boi 2y ago
  they are allowed if they followed rules like other chinese website.
  - deleted 2y ago
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- 1270018080 2y ago
  I don't care. I just feel for the average American who is looking to buy a car and getting screwed over by corruption.
  - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
    If you bought a car in a big Chinese cities, you might complain about having to win in a lottery (Beijing) or pay in an auction (Shanghai) just to have the right to buy one. And even after that, you aren't allowed to drive your car everyday of the week. Cars in America are still relatively cheap to buy and operate by world standards. They aren't much cheaper in China (and can become very expensive for non-econo luxury models), and you can face a lot of restrictions on when you can use them.
    - dalyons 2y ago
      as i understand there are no day restrictions for EVs.
      - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
        > Many Chinese cities implement driving restrictions based on the last digit of a car's license plate, but EVs are typically exempt from this rule. I didn't know that, good point! You would already want to get an EV in Beijing since the license lottery has a separate allotment for them, but even then you might not win a license (not sure what the odds are right now, it depends on what they are selling). I assume SH is the same.
    - atlintots 2y ago
      Well, I'm not living in China, so I don't know what your point is.
      - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
        And just be glad that you aren't, if you like the free market, it really isn't the place for you.
buzzerbetrayed 2y ago
You have it nearly completely backwards. China is screwing over the world by subsidizing their car exports. No car company can compete unless their government also subsidizes.
gabruoy 2y ago
If both China and the US were a free market that didn't subsidize electric car production and construction, neither country would have any electric car manufacturers.
- rsynnott 2y ago
  I mean, I suppose it comes down to "define free market". No market is entirely free, but it's totally conceivable that you could have a non-protectionist market which still subsidises market segments seen as desirable. That is generally ~how the US and EU markets writ large have worked for the past few decades, say (though cars are a bit of a special case, and the US in particular has always been quite keen on protectionism there.)
suraci 2y ago
there's no such thing like a free market economy that embraced capitalism in history there're only certain stages of economy had advantages in foreign trade so they claim themself as 'free market' and try to force others accept this 'free market'

nextworddev 2y ago

Would be more intriguing if American companies e.g. Facebook, Tesla were also allowed in China.

cute_boi 2y ago
they are allowed if they followed rules like other chinese website.
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1270018080 2y ago
I don't care. I just feel for the average American who is looking to buy a car and getting screwed over by corruption.
- seanmcdirmid 2y ago
  If you bought a car in a big Chinese cities, you might complain about having to win in a lottery (Beijing) or pay in an auction (Shanghai) just to have the right to buy one. And even after that, you aren't allowed to drive your car everyday of the week. Cars in America are still relatively cheap to buy and operate by world standards. They aren't much cheaper in China (and can become very expensive for non-econo luxury models), and you can face a lot of restrictions on when you can use them.
  - dalyons 2y ago
    as i understand there are no day restrictions for EVs.
    - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
      > Many Chinese cities implement driving restrictions based on the last digit of a car's license plate, but EVs are typically exempt from this rule. I didn't know that, good point! You would already want to get an EV in Beijing since the license lottery has a separate allotment for them, but even then you might not win a license (not sure what the odds are right now, it depends on what they are selling). I assume SH is the same.
  - atlintots 2y ago
    Well, I'm not living in China, so I don't know what your point is.
    - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
      And just be glad that you aren't, if you like the free market, it really isn't the place for you.

buzzerbetrayed 2y ago

You have it nearly completely backwards. China is screwing over the world by subsidizing their car exports. No car company can compete unless their government also subsidizes.

gabruoy 2y ago

If both China and the US were a free market that didn't subsidize electric car production and construction, neither country would have any electric car manufacturers.

rsynnott 2y ago
I mean, I suppose it comes down to "define free market". No market is entirely free, but it's totally conceivable that you could have a non-protectionist market which still subsidises market segments seen as desirable. That is generally ~how the US and EU markets writ large have worked for the past few decades, say (though cars are a bit of a special case, and the US in particular has always been quite keen on protectionism there.)

suraci 2y ago

there's no such thing like a free market economy that embraced capitalism in history there're only certain stages of economy had advantages in foreign trade so they claim themself as 'free market' and try to force others accept this 'free market'