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Jeep Introduces Pop-Up Ads That Appear Every Time You Stop
- fxtentacle 2y agoI'd say the countermeasure is like "AdNauseam". You just click "call" every time you see the ad. Rack up their costs until it becomes a net negative to show you an ad.
- dyauspitr 2y agoCan you jailbreak these systems?
- randunel 2y agoOne word: safety. They'll tout that word everywhere and people will believe them. For your and everyone else's safety and security, do not jailbreak your in car entertainment. Your wipers and ABS might even stop working.
- 20after4 2y agoHyundai helpfully used a default signing key on their firmware, so at least some of their infotainment systems can be easily rooted. Details: https://xakcop.com/post/hyundai-hack-2/ https://xakcop.com/post/hyundai-hack-2/
- willbdavenport 2y agoIf I needed a reminder to never buy a Jeep
- soheil 2y agoPresumably the ad will be a reminder to perhaps buy another Jeep.
- Maxious 2y agoNothing says Jeep more than "hey if it ain't broke, buy an extended warranty"
- TheSpiceIsLife 2y ago“There’s only one Jeep”, because the rest of them fell apart.
- carabiner 2y agoCR called Jeep the worst car brand in America.
- 20after4 2y agoIt won't take long for all of the the other brands to follow suit. Hopefully jeep patented the idea.
- petargyurov 2y agoIs Jeep's reputation the same in Europe? I've been thinking of making a "sentiment database" for car brands where users share their personal, subjective view of a car make/model. I'm sure something like this probably already exists.
- rsynnott 2y agoMy immediate response was “they still make those?!”, but they actually still seem to be on sale here! Not sure I’ve seen one in the last decade or so; make of that what you will.
- michaelt 2y agoAccording to [1] Jeep is the 24th-best-selling car brand in Europe. Their sales of 11.4k cars in October put them just between Mazda (12.3k cars) and Porsche (10.3k cars) with roughly 1% market share. But they are at least competing in the market - some brands like Chevy, Chrysler and Subaru don't even make the top 25. Of course many of these brands are ultimately owned by the same multinationals. Stellantis-owned Jeep, Dodge and Ram brands aren't doing well in Europe, but their Opel, Peugeot, Citroën, Vauxhall, Alfa Romeo and Fiat brands are selling just fine. [1] https://www.jato.com/resources/media-and-press-releases/volkswagen-group-records-its-highest-market-share-in-europe-for-over-three-years https://www.jato.com/resources/media-and-press-releases/volk...
- gpderetta 2y ago> are selling just fine. Is it? I thought it was in deep troubles.
- michaelt 2y agoWell, I don't know what counts as success really. But if Peugeot sold 61k cars in Europe, Opel/Vauxhall 31k, Citroen 23k and Fiat 18k the group overall is much better placed in the EU than Jeep's sales of 11.4k would imply.
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- DonHopkins 2y agoFriends don't let friends drive Jeeps.
- aembleton 2y agoAre Jeep drivers friendless?
- DonHopkins 2y agoFriends Don't Let Friends Drive Drunk PSA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ_0AwM93j4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ_0AwM93j4
- suyash 2y agoJeep is a solid car, now it seems it's just being mismanaged badly.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoNot surprising to see these aggressive tactics given that Stellantis is on the verge of bankruptcy, and other big companies like VW are on that path. Brands started with selling location data to brokers and other invisible things, and now it’s just more obvious how they’re trying to stop losses. Still, this is just as angering as BMW charging subscription fees for heated seats.
- caspper69 2y agoDon’t want to go down the Musk rabbit hole, but wasn’t this a tactic started by Tesla? This idea that every product must produce a recurring revenue stream has permeated way too deep. Buying a luxury automobile should entail luxury features. I almost accidentally bought a scanner off Amazon that had a monthly fee in the fine print. As in the damn thing wouldn’t work if the subscription stopped. Wtf? Frankly it’s tiresome and pathetic. It’s bad enough that pennies are pinched at every step of the manufacturing process to the point hardly anything lasts even 5 years anymore. We get screwed over and over again so some asshole can hit their quarterly targets, or so the company’s stock can tick up a quarter point.
- alistairSH 2y agoAnd most of us have retirement plans based on stock ownership (in the US at least) so we’re all complicit to some small extent.
- sofixa 2y agoThey had $50 billion cash on hand as of December 2023 (last time they've reported that). Net income is always positive and in the low single digit billions. They're nowhere near bankruptcy. Sales are falling for a variety of reasons, and as a result they got rid of the old CEO.
- nottorp 2y ago> That Appear Every Time You Stop Do they only appear when you stop? Are we sure the ad peddling software is bug free? Is this a criminal safety investigation matter now, or will we wait until they show up while driving and someone dies because they got lost in some wilderness due to lack of navigation?
- Someone 2y agoThere already is a safety issue right now, as this will make drivers ride away and only then enter their destination into their GPS system. So, it will distract them from paying attention to the road.
- vineyardmike 2y ago> Is this a criminal safety investigation matter now, or... Not to try to start a political flame situation, but I genuinely think the next 4 years will see a lot of "innovation" and business experiments in the automobile space. Elon certainly won't leave NHSTA alone, when he can instead get his way to clear the path for new Tesla opportunities. No way that any sort of criminal investigation occurs over something like this. Tesla would love to be able to have extra flexibility on their giant screens. (Also, it seems very unlikely someone would die due to lack of navigation, but being too distracting due to a glitch seems more likely.)
- kortilla 2y agoIf lack of navigation led to criminal investigations basically every car manufacturer would already be gone. They are completely unreliable already without this change.
- prmoustache 2y agoIn some juridictions I could see it as illegal. For instance in the UK you can't use your smartphone when stopped at a traffic light, you need to park and stop the engine.
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- randomNumber7 2y agoWhat a time to be alive!
- ribcage 2y ago[dead]
- wewxjfq 2y agoSpeed 3: A car can't stop because the driver refuses to watch ads.
- soheil 2y agoThey've probably done the analysis and found the demographic most likely to respond to/tolerate an ad to be Jeep owners or in the vicinity of it.
- Ylpertnodi 2y agoExactly. I refuse to be outraged by a vehicle that caters for its owner. Though I do have yet another question to ask a dealer when I must purchase another vehicle.
- caspper69 2y agoAs if it wasn’t bad enough they were so out of touch they thought $90k for their Wagoneers was a good base price. A vehicle literally no one was asking for. With median US income around $43k/year, these geniuses thought there’d be a huge market for these monstrosities (and I am in no way anti-SUV). This was after axing their Dodge sports cars that were actually selling, and dicking around with the Ram pickup. The bread & butter of their lineup. But ARU! Listen you c-suite morons, sell the products your customers actually want to pay for. Stellantis’ stupidity is going to bankrupt a lot of dealers if they can’t execute these re-rollouts successfully and finally clear this glut. And now I see shit like this. Pure, unadulterated enshitification. How do these ideas not get shot down 2 seconds after they leave someone’s mouth? I guarantee you, not one person who heard such an idea thought it was a good one. It is impossible to witness such stupidity happening and think this will accomplish any business objective or be a good direction for the brand.
- sofixa 2y agoSUVs, besides being more deadly to everyone, have higher profit margins, which explains why manufacturers (in the US) focus so heavily on them. $90k is absurdly high, but everyone will take out a car loan anyways. Stellantis are really struggling with their vision and direction. Carlos Tavares, the CEO who grew PSA and managed the merger with FCA , utterly failed at his job, to such an extent that he was recently fired (with a golden parachute though). They're up for a shake up, let's see what happens.
- fsflover 2y ago> enshitification > How do these ideas not get shot down 2 seconds after they leave someone’s mouth? Here's how: https://pluralistic.net/2024/08/17/hack-the-planet/ https://pluralistic.net/2024/08/17/hack-the-planet/
- paradox460 2y agoEveryone in the meeting that set the price are all tremendously over paid, and so 90k for a mediocre SUV seems reasonable to them It's the "it's one egg Michael, how much could it cost, $10?" joke, but real
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- beeflet 2y agoThis is very promising, If only the car had some sort of heads-up display that could project advertisements over the entire windshield while you're driving.
- InfinityByTen 2y agoThis won't be a joke when the car is on L4 automation.
- beeflet 2y agoby then you will be hard-pressed to buy a window pane that doesn't come preloaded with nifty features and helpful advertisements.
- cm2187 2y agoIt's like deliveroo. You now have a "premium" option so the driver doesn't make 3 stops before you and your food doesn't arrive cold and 30min late. Premium rides where you can see the street by the window coming!
- richrichardsson 2y agoWhat happens when everyone has deliveroo premium? The "priority" boarding on budget airlines is already like that and I'd be surprised if there isn't already a "VIP priority" boarding for an extra fee.
- falcor84 2y agoWell, I would assume that everyone having premium would mean that the price would need to cover each delivery going only to one person at a time, which does sound sustainable to me. In the longer term though, I wonder if we could have mobile (robotically operated?) kitchens, optimized to finish preparing the dish just as they're about to arrive at your doorstep.
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- ReptileMan 2y agoI always thought that - "I want to have my car to have airplane mode", would have had a different meaning. One including small wings and small nuclear powered jet engine, with strong retrofuturistic vibes.
- blitzar 2y agoWhere we're going, we don't need roads
- egeozcan 2y agoI honestly thought their website was triggering a popup ad every time you stopped moving your mouse, and I was ready to write a long rant that no one would ever read. But... they actually show ads in your car every time you stop!? This is so bad I don't even know where to begin. The audacity!?
- BLKNSLVR 2y agoThe new model Jeep Audacity!
- tonyedgecombe 2y agoYou will just need to do the automotive equivalent of wiggling your mouse.
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- rib3ye 2y agoIs /. back??
- MrDrMcCoy 2y agoNope. I still have it in my RSS reader for the odd thing that somehow shows up there and not in my other feeds, but it's pretty dead.
- simoncion 2y agoGod no. Articles are (re)posted at a rate of like five or ten a day, but many articles will receive zero comments and few articles will have any comments of note. Also, the admins effectively deactivated new account creation a while back. These days, it's a link aggregation site for two robot "editors". I can't stop chuckling every time I think of how much money it caused its various acquirers to light on fire over the years.
- 7bit 2y ago> Imagine pulling up to a red light, checking your GPS for directions, and suddenly, the entire screen is hijacked by an ad. I don’t like this kind of exaggeration because it misses the core issue. And because the argument can easily be refuted, e.g., ads are only displayed when the car is parked. The real issue is that a car remains operational, and the manufacturer continues to profit from it long after the purchase by ignoring the owner's right to self-determination. It’s not just about distraction from ads but rather about the fundamental business model of manufacturers. They retain control over the vehicle and use it to generate additional revenue—often at the expense of user freedom. Many essential features are locked behind paywalls or tied to subscriptions. The buyer owns the car, but not full control over it—and that is the real problem.
- egypturnash 2y agoThe sentences immediately preceding and following the one you quoted make it pretty clear that this is not an exaggeration: > These ads appear every time the vehicle comes to a stop. Imagine pulling up to a red light, checking your GPS for directions, and suddenly, the entire screen is hijacked by an ad. That's the reality for some Stellantis owners. Italics mine.
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- InDubioProRubio 2y agoGPS is a location system. It gives the infotaiment/Map system the position of the care in the world.GPS has no UI-Components..
- InDubioProRubio 2y agoFinally, rocky bottom where the advertising industry gets dissolved entirely..
- alkonaut 2y ago\o/ McDonalds!
- bkummel 2y agohttps://jacek.zlydach.pl/blog/2019-07-31-ads-as-cancer.html https://jacek.zlydach.pl/blog/2019-07-31-ads-as-cancer.html
- anal_reactor 2y ago> Ads can be seen in this video Links to a 11-minute video of a boomer browsing the internet I'm sorry but this is too funny. An article about wasting people's attention wastes people's attention.
- altacc 2y agoExample of what the ad looks like: https://www.thedrive.com/news/jeep-owners-say-pop-up-ads-for-extended-warranties-keep-blocking-their-touchscreens https://www.thedrive.com/news/jeep-owners-say-pop-up-ads-for... The author also outlines how to disable them: by creating a user account with Jeep and agreeing to T&Cs and remotely disabling notificaitons. Such centralised control leaves them open to them deciding to re-enable ads in the future if they feel like it.
- rendaw 2y agoIf their server forgets the saved settings during routine maintenance i.e. once a month.
- ChrisMarshallNY 2y agoThat’s the Facebook model. They keep resetting privacy prefs, or creating new opt-out ones.
- grishka 2y agoWhat if you don't connect your car to the internet in the first place?
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- thecleaner 2y agoIf these are high quality, I am all for these. Just not another damn celeb shilling their stupid fucking perfumes.
- probably_wrong 2y agoFord's patent on an in-vehicle advertising system [1] contains the following clause: "[the system] further provide the opposite force to a user's natural inclination to seek minimal or no ads. [The system] may intelligently schedule variable durations of ads, with playing time seeking to maximize company revenue while minimizing the impact on user experience". Car companies know no one wants this. They just don't care. [1] https://www.motortrend.com/news/ford-in-vehicle-advertising-patent/ https://www.motortrend.com/news/ford-in-vehicle-advertising-...
- e3bc54b2 2y agoHonestly feels like the definition of `user` is being stretched here..
- paradox460 2y agoIt's the definition drug dealers use, not the one about computers
- MathMonkeyMan 2y agoThe dealer's users at least have addiction keeping them engaged. Ads in a car is more like drawing blood from an animal that's trapped in a cage.
- yilugurlu 2y agoI am genuinely curious, why Jeep/Chrysler makes the worst decisions in the car industry over and over again. Is this incompetency or this is really how they run their business? I don't know how many years I have known these brands, but they are constantly in the news regarding bankruptcy. I am aware of the history with Mercedes, followed by Fiat, and now with PSA; it feels as though they are the lab rats for all of these foolish decisions and everything that has gone wrong. I guess I'd hammer my infotainment screen if I'd seen such an ad.
- Pinegulf 2y agoPure speculation: Maybe this is an attempt of 'outrage marketing'?
- csomar 2y agoIt is a car. Most people will spend a good chunk of time and research before they buy a car including researching things like maintenance cost, reliability and resale value.
- RandomBacon 2y ago> Most people Source? I have a feeling it's opposite. Maybe most people here would do that, but most of the general public? Doubtful.
- bdangubic 2y ago100% - most people will buy the brand they had before or buy the car because they like how it looks or buy the car because of the price/special financing... probably like 1% of the people will do some serious research, the rest is like "imma pay $850/month, what cool-looking thing can I get for that"
- hyperman1 2y agoIn my surroundings(EU), I see the opposite. Everybody buys their car only after doing serious research. Most people easily swap brands. For most people, driving comfort (we have more/less kids or aging grandparents, so need a bigger/smaller car) is a primary filter. Next is cost, where people are very aware there is not only the price but also the fuel economy and the maintenance. People know very well the parking spots in the city are limited and polluting cars are not allowed in more and more cities, so also look at small size or good enough eco scores. There are exceptions: People getting a car from work spend whatever money they can get, and rich people optimizing for status get a BMW or maybe a Tesla.
- mft_ 2y agoIt's getting to the point where we need a tool (a website?) that tracks the user-unfriendly features in different cars of different model years, so that we can make informed choices at buying time.
- technol0gic 2y agokinda like that bad landlord map webapp that ppl in nyc setup
- gadders 2y agoJeep enters enshittification phase. If anything needs an executive order to ban it...
- Sparkyte 2y agoThis will probably cause accidents left and right. May even increase road rage. I know I would just drive my Jeep off into a river if I spent money only to be targeted for ads.
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- aucisson_masque 2y agoIf bmw or any other manufacturer was to do that in my car, i would just call over and over their sale man with the 'bluetooth call' until they loose more money by showing me ads than they earn. In my country stellantis (owner of jeep brand) tried to save by money by hiding that their car's airbag is killing people. Now there's been enough dead that that they can't just ignore it and made a recall but waiting list is very long. They knew that since at least 2016, 8 years before the recall. They could have done it slowly since then, avoid drivers death and not having people locked out of their car waiting for airbag replacement. I guess they were working harder on the new Jeep advertisement system.
- jr000 2y ago"Take the number of vehicles in the field, (A), and multiply it by the probable rate of failure, (B), then multiply the result by the average out-of- court settlement, (C). A times B times C equals X...If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one."
- pavel_lishin 2y agoI wonder how many people are on HN who've never seen Fight Club, and thus don't recognize the quote.
- aucisson_masque 2y agoi know it's a fight club quote but man, does a human life has a cost ? young people, mother, father getting butchered by stellantis airbag. And they are not alone, other manufacturer decided to keep it under the rug, like wolkswagen. there is the old saying "an eye for an eye", if each time a mother or a kid died because of these airbags you hanged stellantis director's relative, the world would be a better place.
- simoncion 2y ago> ...does a human life has a cost ? Yep: <https://www.npr.org/2020/04/23/843310123/how-government-agencies-determine-the-dollar-value-of-human-life https://www.npr.org/2020/04/23/843310123/how-government-agen...>. It's hard not to assign a dollar value to a human life when you're trying to do useful large-scale disaster planning.
- SpaceL10n 2y agoMaybe they should skip the vehicle's console and just beam the ads directly into my visual cortex.
- redeux 2y agoWith Neuralink no less.
- Havoc 2y agoImagine paying thousand for a product that is ad supported. I guess their target market is idiots
- aussieguy1234 2y agoI think I'll stick with second hand dumb cars with physical knobs and buttons.
- sans_souse 2y agoThey are treading dangerously close to causing some kind of consumer revolution here if such a thing exists.
- everdrive 2y agoJeep is now on the list of vehicles I'd never own. Ever. Even if they go back on the decision. Permanent lifetime ban for me and my family. My wife can't have a jeep, and neither can either of my kids.
- mdp2021 2y agoThe trouble remains: if you come across the brand that we should buy, please inform us - because the state of facts really has us consider the need to build open source cars. They are cornering us. Options are getting fewer and fewer.
- everdrive 2y agoAt least as recently as 2024, Nissan model S and SV vehicles (ie, the two lowest trims) did not have any sort of telematics that phoned home. [edit] I also know that some Fords for 2024 (specifically the Maverick, but possibly others) had a single, dedicated fuse for the telematics system which could simply be removed.
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- fsflover 2y agohttps://www.theregister.com/2023/09/06/mozilla_vehicle_data_privacy/ https://www.theregister.com/2023/09/06/mozilla_vehicle_data_...
- everdrive 2y agoThis is not a technical document which outlines which models _can_ collect or even _what_ is collected. It's just a list of what each manufacturer's lawyers thought they needed to put in their privacy policy. In the Nissans for instance, the S and SV models don't even have telematics systems. I've got a Frontier S, and I'm not even sure it has any kind of voice controls. It might have a mic for phone calls, but there's no GPS or modem in the vehicle. Same was true with my wife's base model Nissan Leaf. That Mozilla document doesn't do anything to actually explain which models of cars either do not have telematics, or which telematics can be be successfully disabled. (for details on disabling Telematics in the Ford Maverick, see this thread: https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/forum/threads/experience-with-disabling-the-telematics-control-unit-module.36040/ https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/forum/threads/experience-w...) I only happen to know about Nissan and the Ford Maverick because I was buying a truck and my research narrowed me down to those two models. I'll bet the story is similar in at least some other models from other manufacturers. Perhaps in other manufacturers, there is also a fuse, or perhaps the modem / GPS are simply easy to get to, and do not cause problems when removed? People post that useless Mozilla article as is if it actually conveys any information, but we need real, actual information when it comes to privacy.
- mdp2021 2y agoSo this friend of mine last year visited a Mercedes Benz retailer, and was told "Actually our corporate mission is now to pioneer the electronic butler embedded in the vehicle (as in, oh look, parkings are nearby, and you are near a place where you may want to like to buy something...). If you oppose that, this is the last brand you want to approach". It's a race. Still maybe not so evident, but declared.
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- michelb 2y agoWill this drastically reduce the pricing then?
- lowlevel 2y agoI don't think distracting drivers with ads in their jeep even when stopped is safe or even acceptable...
- mdp2021 2y agoIn fact it is not impossible that at some point they will be forbidden by some legislation.
- technothrasher 2y ago"At some point" is likely not in the near future, at least in the US, as any such legislation will simply be labelled "woke" and "anti-free speech" and it will immediately die on the vine.
- mdp2021 2y agoThere already must be legislation in place that forbids hiding "pestering" behind a label of «"anti-free speech"».
- karel-3d 2y agoThis is a SlashDot post that is a link to YouTube video that discusses a Twitter post that reposts a reddit post - https://old.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/1iij34r/jeep_puts_an_ad_covering_my_entire_screen_and_it/ https://old.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/1iij34r/jeep... Which I thought is funny.
- MathMonkeyMan 2y agoI read somewhere that today the internet is a few walled gardens each full of screenshots of text from the other walled gardens.
- tomovo 2y agoOther car manufacturers should immediately book all ad spots and advertise their ad free cars right there. Ideally they will play right after test drive ends at the car dealership.
- bdangubic 2y agoyea that makes sense - just bought a new jeep and seeing a pop-up ad would make me sell it at 30-40% loss to get one without the ads :)
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- ImHereToVote 2y agoI'm honestly surprised they don't include an rectally inserted attention mechanism to alert you to the ads being displayed TBH.
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- wbshaw 2y agoRoku TVs now inject ads into your non-Roku viewing. Amazon and Netflix have normalized ads in their products.it won't be long before they move them into more expensive product tiers. If other auto manufacturers follow suit, this too will be normalized. Enshittification seems inevitable without collective action.
- reportgunner 2y agoWill be cool if this car still works in 20 years and the ads just show an error because the server no longer exists.
- NoGravitas 2y agoWhen the ad server goes down, the car will stop working.
- NoGravitas 2y agoWhile you're stopped at the light, you'll also need to open the verification can to let the car know you've watched the ad, before it will go again.