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What's new here? As mentioned in the article, Salt Typhoon and the recency of this request by the UK. At this point they should know better. My pet theory is
by cpymchn 2y ago
What's new here?
As mentioned in the article, Salt Typhoon and the recency of this request by the UK. At this point they should know better.
My pet theory is anytime the US wants to do something illegal under US law, they simply ask the UK to do it and vice versa. That's why Salt Typhoon isn't and never will be a lesson learned.
- cpymchn 2y agoI recommend Susan Landau as the goto person on this. She recently spoke with Lawfare on the current state of play. [1] Susan Landau and Alan Rozenshtein Debate End-to-End Encryption (Again!) https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/lawfare-daily--susan-landau-and-alan-rozenshtein-debate-end-to-end-encryption-(again https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/lawfare-daily--susan-la...!)
- EdwardCoffin 2y agoFormatting in link is broken. This is a direct link to the youtube version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWBFXiOcR88 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWBFXiOcR88
- layer8 2y agoWorking link: https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/lawfare-daily--susan-landau-and-alan-rozenshtein-debate-end-to-end-encryption-%28again!%29 https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/lawfare-daily--susan-la...
- eptcyka 2y agoIt is actually Australia where the US goes to test out far-out legislative ideas before implementing them at home.
- y-curious 2y agoAustralia does a great job of enacting wacky authoritarian policies in the last 5 years; It would make sense to use them as a staging ground. Does any specific legislation come to mind?
- throwaway290 2y agoAny specific whacky examples?
- MileyCyrax 2y agoSomething like this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_Australia#Telecommunications_and_Other_Legislation_Amendment_(Assistance_and_Access)_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_Australia...
- throwaway290 2y agoI started reading and it talks about something where a warrant and a case are required to request interception on each case. Is that whacky? You don't think it helps you know fight crime and stuff? Or you have an actual specific example?
- fukawi2 2y agoSocial media ban for under 16s is the latest half witted idea enacted by the government here.
- throwawaythekey 2y agoThis week we've had the federal laws strengthend to a one year minimum jail time for nazi salutes. I think saying "punch a nazi" unironically could now also get you a year in jail, but I'm not sure about that one.
- Juliate 2y agoOh, you feel the need to defend nazis?
- throwawaythekey 2y agoNo, the neo-nazis can defend themselves. I just support personal freedoms.
- banku_brougham 2y agoIt's not a pet theory, it's exactly how the Five-Eyes system is meant to work. I remember when Total Information Awareness was announced and they even had a cool badge designed for the new govt department. It wasn't a popular idea.
- jer0me 2y agohttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IAO-logo.png https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IAO-logo.png
- lern_too_spel 2y agoIt is a pet theory. It is illegal for the US to access its citizens' and residents' data without a warrant, and asking somebody else to do it doesn't magically make it legal.
- ok_dad 2y agoIt’s illegal but they do it anyways. Recall there was a man named Snowden who revealed the NSA does collect USA citizens’ data.
- cess11 2y agoWhy would they "access [their] data", instead of a report from a foreign intelligence agency?
- isaacremuant 2y agoIt's not a pet theory when there's proof they have engaged in it through five eyes. We're not saying it respects the constitution or its intent. We're saying it's what happens. Black CIA sites weren't legal either, nor was torture.
- lern_too_spel 2y ago> It's not a pet theory when there's proof they have engaged in it through five eyes What proof? You would think after all the leaks there have been, some proof would exist. Instead, you cling to a conspiracy theory based on a misunderstanding of an agreement.
- thewebguyd 2y agoIt's exactly how the five-eyes information sharing works. Participants spy on each other's citizens on the other's behalf and share data, to avoid the legality of doing so to their own citizens.
- sitkack 2y agoThat is exactly what this is.