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I'm Done with Ubuntu

• la_oveja 2y ago
  what about opensuse? Is it really the european fedora? is it worth the title of "sysadmins favourite distro"?
  • VariableStar 2y ago
    openSUSE is a great all-around distro, not only for sys-admins. It comes in two main flavors: Leap (stable) and Tumbleweed (rolling), and several others. The main difference between Tumbleweed and other rolling with other distros is the quality control before releases. This is done almost daily. If for some reason the quality check does not pass, the release is hold until it is solved.
  • stanski 2y ago
    Been using opensuse for both my personal laptop and a server for many years now. Still don't understand why it's not more popular.
  • hd4 2y ago
    No it's really not. I've had enough problems with badly-maintained/broken packages that I've switched to Archlinux (btw). Just go with Debian Sid or Arch.
• bambax 2y ago
  > every upgrade broke something Upgrades are the bane of tech. They are justified by "security" like every law that takes away freedom and privacy is done in the name of "protecting children". It's all BS. My main machine in on Windows 7. It can't be upgraded anymore. No updates for me! Which is exactly what I want. Pure joy.
  • johnisgood 2y ago
    I wanted to stick to Windows 7 but many applications I had stopped working on it. :| I'm using a debloated Windows 11 now, out of necessity.
  • ziddoap 2y ago
    This is a wild take. People and companies get hacked all the time because people use scare quotes around security and wire up their windows 7 computers to the internet.
    • renewedrebecca 2y ago
      Both can be true: people get hacked because of lax security, but "security" is often used as a vector to enshitification.
  • gear54rus 2y ago
    Just in the same boat as you but I wanted to play VR, you know? So had to go to 10 just because Valve doesn't support lower windows versions. So if you don't upgrade you better be happy with what you have for the rest of your life haha.
  • adrianN 2y ago
    It would be nice if „security“ were a made up reason but unfortunately it’s not.
    • goalieca 2y ago
      A lot of times it’s made up because security teams don’t have resources to actually risk assess vulnerabilities especially in upstream sources. They’ll just take the CVE at face value which we know is wrong and sometimes not even reachable. But a lot of times there’s legit problems and a lot of times newer code is safer anyways. You just can’t know unless you spend a lot of time and money. It’s best just to patch and toss stuff that is on the network that isn’t supported anymore.
  • idiotsecant 2y ago
    Haha is this the start of holistic non-pasteurized free range zero update computing Exploits are a liberal myth! Jesus didn't need no patches!!
    • bambax 2y ago
      I'm a French leftist, so I'm probably more 'liberal' than you'll ever be.
  • nobody42 2y ago
    Updates are a necessity, and they don't have to be feature-breaking. More distributions need to adopt security-only channels.
  • RIMR 2y ago
    You're allowed not to take computer security seriously, but if you're doing important things with that computer, such as banking, you will eventually learn the hard way...
    • bambax 2y ago
      When will this eventuality happen? I have been doing this for a very long time with zero ill effects so far.
      • vvillena 2y ago
        Don't worry. It only needs to happen once!
        • bambax 2y ago
          Ha. That's what the IRA said to Thatcher after the Brighton hotel bombing; didn't work.
    • BenjiWiebe 2y ago
      You can run Firefox LTS on Windows 7, so I wouldn't worry too much about browsing the Internet. Plus, your residential ISP-provided router has a firewall with no inbound connections allowed. How is my Windows 7 computer going to get hacked?
  • hackyhacky 2y ago
    > My main machine in on Windows 7. It can't be upgraded anymore. No updates for me! Which is exactly what I want. Pure joy. It is very cool, Bateman. But that's nothing. I use MS-DOS 5.0, before it got ruined with needless bloat in version 6. Limiting memory to 640K (or 1MB with UMB extenders) means that I'm immune from recent malware attacks. No networking ability reduces my attack surface. I find text-mode user interface to be clean and simple. Lack of multitasking ensures that I remain focused throughout the workday. I will never upgrade.
    • bambax 2y ago
      I envy you. Do you post on HN via mail?
• hassleblad23 2y ago
  As a long time Ubuntu user, I switched to Fedora 6 months ago and have been very satisfied.
  • kuschkufan 2y ago
    Why would you switch to Fedora 6? ..I kid, I kid ;)
• drbojingle 2y ago
  Ok
• flanked-evergl 2y ago
  Agreed, Ubuntu is poorly engineered, they still use some sysv init scripts behind systemd units, which is embarrassing, and I have never managed a successful update. Fedora is great, I did not have half the problems with it that I had on Ubuntu. Every single update went super smooth. The one downside with Fedora is that you don't really have LTS and there is no rolling releaste that is intended for daily use, but otherwise it's perfect.
  • twic 2y ago
    The equivalent of LTS is RHEL! Which in practice means Rocky for most people.
    • indigodaddy 2y ago
      Is Rocky more popular than Alma?
      • red-iron-pine 2y ago
        a lot more activity on the Rocky subreddit. best barometer I can think of for how many people are using it
• hernantz 2y ago
  Made the switch about 6 years ago to Fedora, never looked back. Upgrades just work.
• jmclnx 2y ago
  Both Ubuntu and Fedora are fine distros, but as a Slackware user, to me it looks like jumping from the pot into the fire :) I have tried both and they confused me when compared to Slackware. I like the simplicity of Slackware, maybe that "modified" my brain where other distros seems too complex.
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• gear54rus 2y ago
  > every upgrade broke something A tangent, but I just realized that there's no OS nowadays that I feel comfortable upgrading at all lol. - Windows? Make sure to find that script which disables all the preinstalled crap like defender and updates - MacOS? It's time for apple intelligence boi - Ubuntu? System encountered a critical error popup on startup - Android? Your rooted phone is now again detectable by play integrity malware So my workflow is instead to make some time and do a clean install every 2 years or so. Keeps the clutter out too (re-install only things I actually need).
  • lucasoshiro 2y ago
    What about rolling releases? I've been using Manjaro for almost a decade, of course it's not perfect but at least the rolling release model makes it suited for being upgraded instead of reinstalled. If you install Manjaro using BtrFS + timeshift + timeshift autosnap it creates snapshots after every system upgrade that can be quickly rollbacked if something goes wrong
    • tombert 2y ago
      +1 for rolling releases. I run NixOS on my laptop and server, and do updates about once a week. I don’t use Timeshift but I do use the NixOS snapshots if an update breaks stuff. But I really haven’t had any issues with an update breaking anything. I don’t really want to go back to the major release model.
  • muixoozie 2y ago
    NixOS. Takes the fear away due to atomic upgrades and rollbacks. Lot of people can't get pass this language nix though. GuixSd is an alternative to check out. There are other immutable distros too if you're looking for something less radical.
    • aendruk 2y ago
      Seconding this; I used solely Ubuntu for 15 years but switched to NixOS a few years ago. Using an immutable system feels like a weight being lifted off my back.
• mistrial9 2y ago
  agree that "snaps" is an obvious disaster.. stability on 24.04 appears to have degraded, also.
• rckt 2y ago
  My distro path was Ubuntu -> Solus -> Fedora. Never looked back. There's nothing stable in the world of linux distros, but Fedora makes this a lot less painful. Most of the time I just don't have any issues with it. Even my MacBook Pro 2015 runs it almost flawlessly. Love it.
• echelon_musk 2y ago
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  • lawlessone 2y ago
    >You get what you pay for... Please tell Microsoft.
  • etothepii 2y ago
    OS X used to cost $99 for each point release. Somehow someone at Apple decided they could make more giving the software (but not the source code) away for free.
• MattTheRealOne 2y ago
  Broken upgrades were one of the biggest reasons I stopped using Ubuntu as well. Granted this was around 10 years ago, but this post suggests things have not improved in that regard.
  • vizzier 2y ago
    As an additional data point, I work in an office of 5 who all run ubuntu laptops as developer work stations. None of us had any problems migrating from 22.04.x to 24.04.1 when it became available.
• icedchai 2y ago
  Ubuntu upgrades, even LTS server, are often problematic. I've had several issues over the years: network interfaces renamed, default route lost, 5 minute delays in boot due to various systemd job timeouts (which weren't a problem in previous releases), etc. All this stuff was "fixable" but it certainly wasn't smooth and all required console access to resolve.
  • rcarmo 2y ago
    Weird, I have machines that have been upgraded from as far back as 14.04 to the current LTS that have had zero issues. IMHO, you only get that kind of problems if you use non-LTS "interim" releases.
    • yxhuvud 2y ago
      And even then you are usually fine if you want a week or two before upgrading.
    • icedchai 2y ago
      This happened mostly during the 20.04 -> 22.04 era. Perhaps it's my configuration? I have some systems with multiple network cards. I will say on VMs with a single network interface, the upgrades have been smooth. If I were to rebuild my systems, I'd go for Debian.
  • obruchez 2y ago
    My latest LTS upgrade ended up completely breaking my RAID partitions. I had to completely reinstall everything. It took me days. This was not a smooth experience.
• martinsnow 2y ago
  My typical experience with Linux on the desktop. Install it, get frustrated with lack of compatible games, then something blows up after a week so it won't boot, back to windows. I enjoy my Mac so much more when I want to to development. Linux just kinda faceplants itself every time i even attempt to use it for anything else than a server.
  • gjsman-1000 2y ago
    My favorite example of this: Elementary OS. Looks gorgeous. It's so simple, it's even got "elementary" in the name. Very simple experience for people who want something macOS-like. However... they never figured out how to get distribution upgrades working. So, they never did it. Whenever a new version comes out, reinstall the OS is the official guidance. The most elementary task in the world, even for technically minded people. Ironically, that Linux distribution is the ultimate example of form over function, more than any other OS.
  • threetonesun 2y ago
    I use a Mac as my primary computer but I run a Linux VM on Unraid just for gaming or other odd tasks I want a VM for. The setup and out of the box support for gaming was actually easier than Windows 10, which was what I tried first.
  • Aardwolf 2y ago
    Never have that problem with Archlinux, 'pacman -Syu' to update everything almost never gives problems (it's actually over 5 years ago it gave a real problem for me). You can control yourself when you run it too, no forced updates. > get frustrated with lack of compatible games I have no issue playing whichever modern game I want in Linux on Steam (I don't play competitive games with anticheat features though, but things like Cyberpunk 2077, Satisfactory, Age of Mythology, ... all work. Haven't tried Starfield yet but it's 'gold' on protondb)
    • lawn 2y ago
      Same experience but with Void Linux here.
• dralley 2y ago
  I've been using Fedora for 9 years and I'm very happy with it.
• buyucu 2y ago
  I left Ubuntu back in 2019 when I bought a new laptop. The kernel on the latest LTS version was so ancient that there was no way of running my laptop on it. Ubuntu's biggest problem is that you have to live with problems that were fixed years ago.
  • josefx 2y ago
    So you are blaming a two year old LTS for not supporting your brand new hardware and didn't even try the current release? I had many issues with Ubuntu but laptops being unable to provide even basic functionality without custom drivers isn't something I blame on the OS.
    • buyucu 2y ago
      My expectation from an LTS release is that "it just works". Ubuntu LTS releases often ship ancient software. I ended with Arch eventually. Rolling distros are much better for consumers.
• JackMorgan 2y ago
  I use Ubuntu as my main steam gaming install because it was recommended by Valve. Does anyone know if it's similarly decent on Fedora? I just want a few games, steam, discord, and a browser.
  • writebetterc 2y ago
    Don't use Fedora if you have a nvidia gpu, or if you have ample of free time.
  • LelouBil 2y ago
    I use Bazzite (https://bazzite.gg https://bazzite.gg) on my laptop since about a year. It is based on Fedora, with KDE built in and a lot of back end configurations for easy gaming that just works. It is also an immutable distro. It has been completely smooth for me, that said for Discord, I would recommend installing Vesktop as a flatpak, it is an alternative electron packaging of discord with Vencord (a plugin framework for the discord client) but more importantly it has support for screen sharing, that the official Linux discord client has but with a lot of issues.
    • JackMorgan 2y ago
      I went with Bazzite and after a hiccup (installed Nvidia-open when I needed just Nvidia) it is working great! Was able to install and play a few games already! Thanks for the recommendation, hoping it will carry on as well as it did today.
  • bryanlarsen 2y ago
    Bazzite may now be the standard recommendation for somebody looking for a gaming Linux distro. It's Fedora based.
  • ramesh31 2y ago
    Just use base Debian with a non-free install. It's more or less Ubuntu without the BS at this point.
  • temp0826 2y ago
• ur-whale 2y ago
  I'm slowly getting there as well. The push for the horrible little thing that is snap via systematic dark patterns (eg. force snap down user's throat via firefox only available thru snap) is the last straw AFAIC.
• goosedragons 2y ago
  Yeah, Snaps are crap. I can't seem to get 24.04 to stop replacing .deb Firefox with the snap which breaks things like viewing plotly plots because the snap doesn't have access to the right folder. This one thing has me tempted to ditch Ubuntu. At least in earlier versions you could get the snap to stop auto-installing.
  • xalava 2y ago
    I have found a method that I use at each new install. It is mostly a configuration file that prioritizes Mozilla's PPA over snap: https://github.com/ln-komandur/linux-utils/blob/master/Purge-snapd-install-apt-equivalents.sh https://github.com/ln-komandur/linux-utils/blob/master/Purge...
    • nexle 2y ago
      That's a lot of steps just to convince Ubuntu to stop shoving snap through our ass. More the reason to switch away from Ubuntu.
  • Joel_Mckay 2y ago
    Snaps are indeed awful, unless you want to run something not compatible with your current installed OS version. They are evil... but a necessary evil... =3 Also, this is a common task: sudo snap remove firefox sudo snap remove thunderbird sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/ppa sudo add-apt-repository ppa:libreoffice/ppa sudo nano /etc/apt/preferences.d/mozillateamppa Package: firefox* Pin: release o=LP-PPA-mozillateam Pin-Priority: 1001 sudo nano /etc/apt/preferences.d/mozillateamppa2 Package: thunderbird* Pin: release o=LP-PPA-mozillateam Pin-Priority: 1001 sudo apt update sudo apt install firefox thunderbird
• hackyhacky 2y ago
  I started with Ubuntu, but got turned off my lack of stability, Snaps, old kernels, and obnoxious marketing. I switched to Debian, which fixes most of these issues (but not the old kernels). I like that Debian still uses apt-get and has a huge repository. The smaller repo is what keeps me off Fedora. If you're an Ubuntu refugee looking for a compatible distro, give Debian a try.
  • Beijinger 2y ago
    I can't live without apt-get. I use Bodhi Linux but, besides the Desktop, this is bascially Ubuntu.
    • germandiago 2y ago
      When you bith say apt-get you also mean apt without "get" or there are major differences?
      • cess11 2y ago
        I think they mean the repos. I wouldn't be surprised if apt-get is usually an alias for apt, but I don't know, I just type in apt and what I want to do. On a server we use nala instead, it's quite nice actually, so maybe I'll start using it elsewhere too.
      • hackyhacky 2y ago
        Speaking for myself: both apt and apt-get are different frontends to the same package management system and repository, which is shared by Debian, Ubuntu, Mint, and other Debian-based distros. I like the package management system; which frontend one uses (apt, apt-get, aptitude, nala, etc) is of secondary importance, as they differ only in user interface and aesthetics.
        • kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
          They are frontends to dpkg but with their own special behaviors layered on top that aren't identical.
• perryizgr8 2y ago
  On any OS, I prefer to install a clean system rather than upgrade. It's always a mess. Windows, MacOS, android, whatever. If you're going to do a major version upgrade, so a clean install.
  • lyu07282 2y ago
    I rather use a system where I can update and if something breaks, know what broke and how to fix it, you only get that with Linux, if you are interested in learning how
  • dcminter 2y ago
    Despite the article I've always found the Ubuntu upgrade process to be pretty painless. I actually did a minor upgrade this afternoon on my personal laptop from 22.04 to 22.04.1 without issue. But I agree with the article that snaps are infuriating and next time I replace my laptop I'll be surveying the field to choose a replacement for Ubuntu.
  • horsawlarway 2y ago
    I would have agreed with you until I hit Arch and Nix (for different reasons). Even back in my windows days, I would say wiping the OS and starting fresh about once a year was fairly common, and often avoided a lot of pitfalls. But... I've been running about 8 Arch machines at home over the last 5 years (6 servers, one desktop, one laptop), and mostly don't feel the need to wipe them. There's a little bit of cruft, but it's usually related to me doing things, and not the OS itself. So the system still feels stable and solid. --- Personally - I think for Arch, it's a combination of "Not changing upstream" and "upgrading constantly" so that they don't have a lot of custom cruft to start with, and they have to deal with the upgrade process all the time, so it's not some "huge lift" that happens once every 2 years. Nix has a similar free feel, but it's not so much that upgrades are painless (they aren't), it's more that "wiping" the machine takes a different tone when you basically wipe the machine with every config change, and reverts are simple and easy. Both are pretty nice, though.
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• ramon156 2y ago
  Oh my god yes. Fedora was the first distro (tried cinnamon, mint, manjaro and pop_os and arch) that actually feels like it was supposed to be a release-ready distro. Their community is also great, I'm still subscribed to the welcome newsletter and never felt like unsubscribing. Its fun reading about people's lives
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• adipginting 2y ago
  I migrated from Ubuntu desktop too last year to Debian desktop. I am now curious about using Debian in production server.
  • cess11 2y ago
    Debian works fine for server deployments. It's like Ubuntu Server without annoyances, you'll feel right at home.
• rvz 2y ago
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• eBombzor 2y ago
  Fedora Silverblue has been rock solid for my parents. Just a an amazing idea to have immutable os builds when upgrading.
• TekMol 2y ago
  I was done with Ubuntu the day they started sending my keystrokes to their servers to show me targeted ads. It's been a while. Don't know if they reverted it. Anyhow, the trust is gone forever. Debian never disappointed me.
  • rcarmo 2y ago
    What? What evidence do you have of this?
    • Nekobai 2y ago
      This happened nearly 13 years ago. It didn't last for very long: https://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/09/22/1319216/ubuntu-will-now-have-amazon-ads-pre-installed https://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/09/22/1319216/ubuntu-will-...
    • stop50 2y ago
      Im not sure, since i didn't touch ubuntu in years, but when they launched unity they send the search to different websites to find the things you (not) searched.
• haustlauf 2y ago
  I left Ubuntu for the same reason. When I still had a lot of time to tinker with my PC, I didn't mind as much, but these days I just want a computer that is stable for years. For the past four years, that was Manjaro (i3 flavor), and I recently switched to Arch with i3. Don't mess with that system and it will just run forever and I love it.
  • germandiago 2y ago
    What is the most stable system you tried where there are many packages available? Is that Debian? I want it desktop-focused actually and that works great with multi-monitor and proprietary drivers from NVidia. Currently on Ubuntu but I see bugs here and there and a software update messed up my desktop a few weeks ago. It is for work. I do NOT want to waste time with unstable stuff.
    • pepa65 2y ago
      I would say Linux Mint, very stable, good attention to detail from the devs. I like MATE, have been running this for years now. It's upgradable, lots of packages, no snaps by default.
    • haustlauf 2y ago
      That still would have to be Arch. From what I have heard elsewhere, I would suggest Debian for its extreme stability. You won't get the newest stuff, but Debian is really focused on making sure nothing breaks between updates.
  • larusso 2y ago
    Interesting that you think arch is more stable. Arch blew up on my system even though I did constant updates to not fall behind too far. I switched to nixOS it it also broke because of a incompatibility between home manager and the latest version of i3-bar. The software expect toml keys in a specific order, the configuration writer can‘t enforce this. So all in all I managed to break a lot of systems with updates. :(
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• wavemode 2y ago
  Ubuntu used to be what Fedora is now - a common-sense desktop distro for regular people. At some point though it completely jumped the shark and started inventing things nobody wanted (typical of corporate-controlled software).
  • gjsman-1000 2y ago
    > typical of corporate-controlled software If I had a nickel for every time the Linux community reinvented the wheel for things nobody asked for, but refused to implement a feature everyone asked for...
    • alexvitkov 2y ago
      A scary amount of critical FOSS projects are just some guy's hobby, and a hobbyist will often work on problems they find interesting, regardless of whether or not they're important for the "community". If you're coming home from work and have one hour of free time, do you really want to spend it investigating why a Meta+Shift+F11 doesn't work in your program under Wayland on Womperloo Linux 11.4? That's the #1 reason why people need to be paid to work on important software. In a corporate environment (with somewhat reasonable management) boring but important work will land in someone's Jira ticket and they'll be paid to get it done.
      • wavemode 2y ago
        OH, trust me - corporate environments are not at all conducive to making sure bugs get fixed for Womperloo 11.4 users. Corporate environments incentivize working on flashy, highly visible work. Bugfixing edge cases is the opposite of that, and usually falls by the wayside (unless it's the kind of company where quality is a metric that is enforced, which is rare). The flipside of open source maintainers being unpaid (or, at least, their pay not being linked to their output) is that they have time to care deeply about quality, and many really do. Linus Torvalds is not going to sit idly by while an update is shipped out that breaks Womperloo, I'll tell you that.
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• fph 2y ago
  Is there around a Linux distro that manages to get compartmentalized apps (Snaps / Flatpaks or whatever) right? I feel like they have security advantages, even if people hate them because they don't work out-of-the-box. Android has compartmentalized apps by design, and it seems like everything work there, but that's because developers are forced to think about it and make it work.
  • Saris 2y ago
    Maybe Bazzite? It's close-ish, not as good as android though.
  • neoromantique 2y ago
    https://projectbluefin.io/ https://projectbluefin.io/
  • carlos_rpn 2y ago
    Can't you just use an AppImage (if available) for things you don't want to bother with instalation? I only use it for emulators, and I don't really explore the OS anymore, so I'm not sure if they have any downsides.
  • tsimionescu 2y ago
    It depends what you mean by "apps" and "works". Phone apps have very limited interaction with each other, by design, so that yes, sandboxing works OK. Android also uses sandboxing technologies not available on plain Linux I believe, but I'm not sure of this part. It also has a full system for defining the types of interactions possible between apps, that is built into the UI kit used by all apps, which is another major bonus. You can't extend most of this to arbitrary Linux packages. Those are often meant to have complex interactions with other packages, and to do so via arbitrary mechanisms (file paths, Unix sockets, shell variables, etc). You can't easily sandbox something like npm or pip, for example, since their whole point is to be globally accessible. Even less so for something like OpenSSL.
  • newdee 2y ago
    I’ve been very happy with the Fedora Atomic spins overall. Bazzite is a great starting point if you also care about gaming.
• WD-42 2y ago
  Just stop using LTS for desktop use, please. It’s fine for servers. People install LTS then get get pikachu face when it turns out the kernel is too old for their hardware, or they are missing some feature in software that has been there for 2 years. Just stop it.
  • lyu07282 2y ago
    wait until they learn you can just remove snap or that you can use KDE instead of Gnome without switching distributions
• e-brake 2y ago
  Ubuntu and Pop!_OS upgrades fried my systems in the past, making me think Linux as a desktop OS wasn't worth so much wasted energy. There are more stable distros!
• kijin 2y ago
  There exists an Ubuntu-like distro that doesn't have snaps. It makes regular LTS releases like Ubuntu does, it's more stable, and it upgrades flawlessly every time. It's called Debian.
  • germandiago 2y ago
    Nvidia drivers and multi monitor fractional scaling work? If they do I could consider it.
• giancarlostoro 2y ago
  Can't read because of corporate firewall, but I switched from Ubuntu to EndeavourOS, which is Arch based, but the install experience is like installing Ubuntu to an extent, really straight forward and just works. I grew tired of dated packages for things. If I could redo Ubuntu, I would have a distro that pulls from Debian Sid and does monthly releases where you will have relatively modern tooling and some stability, you freeze it on a version the way Debian / Ubuntu typically do, but you have drastically more stability. For now Arch/Endeavour will do for me.
  • CollinEMac 2y ago
    I'm an Endeavour user too. It's been a really great experience so far.
    • karussell 2y ago
      Except for printer driver support in my case. I wasn't able to get an Epson ET working like on Ubuntu (wifi, scanner) where under Ubuntu it works without any configuration.
• nelblu 2y ago
  My first ever Linux distro (years ago) was Redhat 7.2. I LOVED it! Eventually working mostly in the corporate (Microsoft dominated) world I lost track of what was going on the Linux world. Few years ago, when I was trying to get out of Microsoft again, a friend recommended Ubuntu, and I hated it. It felt very bloated, then someone else recommended Linux Mint and I never looked back! I would highly recommend trying it out if you are done with Ubuntu, and it also has LTS releases.
• cess11 2y ago
  I also went mad from trying to coexist with Ubuntu snapd, so now I'm on Debian. Fedora feels kind of wonky and sometimes broke on upgrades, and when it happened to me it was harder to get out of than when I put a stick in the wrong place in Debian. Adding non-free and less stable repos to Debian makes it a very slick and robust experience. Most software I want to have newly stitched edge is in their own repos anyway so stable is usually fine too, with a few select things manually installed alongside some asdf and SdkMan installs. Don't know if touch screens or biometrics work, but Bluetooth and touchpads and sound and so on Just Works on the machines I've tried it on over the last five years or so. Toshiba, Lenovo, HP Elitebook and ZBook, probably something more.
• rcarmo 2y ago
  I've never been able to fully use an Ubuntu desktop--the esthetics and UX always felt wrong, and the closest I could deal with was Elementary. I've pretty much landed on Fedora and vanilla GNOME again for the past two years for many things (including some personal services), with Debian as my go-to for SBCs and servers (and Ubuntu as a fallback if what was available was too old). Snaps completely turned me off it, and the Fedora Bluefin/Bazzite experience is much better (even if I prefer to run some apps outside flatpack due to too many path re-mappings).
  • gjsman-1000 2y ago
    Elementary though, despite the name, is so poorly engineered that distribution upgrades aren't available at all. OS 7 comes out? Format your hard drive. OS 8 comes out? Format your hard drive. Which kind of defeats the entire point: If you set up Elementary OS for someone with elementary computing knowledge, can you blame your grandparents in 4 years for a wildly out of date Linux computer? What grandson wants to download all their pictures, tax forms, emails, and copy it all back in place every few years? As I said in another comment, it's ironic that a Linux distribution could be said to take the crown for form over function, more than any other OS.
    • soco 2y ago
      Here I usually get flak for claiming Linux desktop is simply still not there for my granps, and I think it's (the flak) totally undeserved: the gramps have zero chance to update it, and for me it's a whole afternoon mucking with console and packages and whatnot, regardless of distribution. I got used with the idea though, and said gramps are still more secure even if I get around updating their machines only every few months (but the food you get while updating, yum so worthy).
  • troyvit 2y ago
    > Snaps completely turned me off it Yep, this turned me off from Ubuntu as well. Pop!_OS fully removed snaps, which is great, but man they're behind the times. kde-neon fixes a lot of the problems I have with the UX of Ubuntu, but KDE is getting weirder and weirder, and (for me, specifically with zoom) is still behind other WMs in its Wayland support. Looking at this point to go back to a tiling WM like sway on top of kde-neon, which is so weird to say.
• Gualdrapo 2y ago
  Been saying this for a long time - there's a lot of reasons to not like Ubuntu: mine is that they absolutely ditched the "Linux for human beings" motto and you can no longer feel the ubuntu in it. Been more than 15 years since I used it and feels like it has been spiraling down ever since. But for many of us it is/was the gateway to Linux and I'm grateful to it for that.
• mikepurvis 2y ago
  "super easy, barely an inconvenience" Totally an aside from the actual content here, but I love that Pitch Meeting has achieved the level of cultural penetration required for this reference to now be turning up in a rant about operating systems.
  • rglullis 2y ago
    Holy shit, I came here to say the exact same thing. One guy, working out of his bedroom apartment in Canada is able to create something culturally relevant on par with "More Cowbell".
• raintrees 2y ago
  FWIW: I am switching from Fedora to Debian. Fedora has what amounts to almost daily updates, I prefer more stability/less changes. My work flow is usually being up for weeks in between boots, multiple projects open at the same time.
  • jonkoops 2y ago
    You don't have to update your Fedora install every day just because there are updates available.
• Vox_Leone 2y ago
  I could have written this post, because I totally identify with what was said. Snap is really absurd. I'm a long-time Debian user, and I've always been happy with it. The problem is that lately I've needed the relatively easy NVIDIA support - which is always a pain in the ass, no matter the system - and I can't stand Windows.
  • bluefirebrand 2y ago
    I unfortunately built a brand new gaming desktop with an NVidia card not long ago, just before windows 11 started rolling out I have been putting up with Windows but 11 is going to be my breaking point I think. After this, no more Windows and no more NVidia unless they get much better support on Linux I'll deal with the headache
• chuckadams 2y ago
  I started off liking snaps, then ran into all its failure modes. Like constantly getting a warning from IntelliJ IDEA about a new version being available, but only if I quit out and manually upgraded the snap (now I use Jetbrains Toolbox). Or the snap version of Docker taking _minutes_ to shut down on every reboot and resetting the owner/group on the docker socket every time it restarts. My desktop now runs Aurora, which is itself a respin of Fedora Kinoite. Anything that's genuinely "system" level is installed with rpm-ostree, there's the occasional flatpak, but most things are installed with linuxbrew. But most days I'm just using my MBP (my desktop isn't even powered on right now).
  • HumanOstrich 2y ago
    Hey fellow linuxbrew user in the wild! Have you had any luck getting others to try it?
    • nieve 2y ago
      I liked linuxbrew up until it set up python in a way that broke a lot of apps for me. I keep meaning to give it another try, but there are only so many hours.
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    • akvadrako 2y ago
      I'll bet most devs who use the Fedora image based distros use linuxbrew. It comes by default with the Bluefin family developer editons. https://projectbluefin.io/ https://projectbluefin.io/
• teknopaul 2y ago
  I moved to Debian for servers. Ubuntu is no longer the easy option. Ubuntu has forced upgrades more often than any other platform. Added "Security" that breaks users workflows is crap. You have to trust the code on your pc. Spend effort making it good, rather than jailing it in case it's bad.
• browningstreet 2y ago
  IMO: on some laptops, Ubuntu installs everything automatically and gets everything working, where on Fedora I end up in painful manual configuration cycles. Most of my laptop work isn't long-lived, so I don't really care about upgradeability. That said, if I was building a server that needed to be stable for a while, I'd go Debian or Fedora.
• yazantapuz 2y ago
  > You can upgrade your Ubuntu installation and then discover that your browser is now contained within a Snap This. Maybe i am missing something, but Firefox and Thunderbird keep getting replaced with their snap counterparts periodically, even when given priority to the mozilla ppa. Its really frustating.
• martinbaun 2y ago
  I ended up on Fedora which seems similar to the "old ubuntu" where things just works. Stability can be a problem as they update quite often.
• sirdvd 2y ago
  Well... ZFS support baked in the kernel, surely count for something?
• throw7 2y ago
  Choice of distro is highly tied to package management. If I was an Ubuntu user, I would have jumped ship the day snaps were required. I use fedora and if they required flatpaks I'd be looking for a new rpm based distro tomorrow.
• ninth_ant 2y ago
  I’m also ditching Ubuntu over snaps. Their Firefox snap is pitifully slow on my relatively high-end PC. It’s an embarrassment that it was shipped so broken as a default to end users. Distributions are mattering less and less these days, with Flatpaks looking like the path forward for the end-user applications, and docker for many services. So all I want now is for the distribution to get out of the way, and Ubuntu has become a relatively poor choice for that.
  • abrouwers 2y ago
    Just curious, why not simply stop using snaps? On my machine, the whole snapd* can be removed, and mozilla offers pretty high-quality ubuntu repo for firefox.
    • mixmastamyk 2y ago
      Chromium too. You can spend a half an hour fixing it every single time, or just use Mint. My newer hardware uses Fedora, which is great also.
    • twic 2y ago
      On my company-issued Ubuntu machine, i installed flatpak and use that for everything where a containerised package is warranted.
    • EnergyAmy 2y ago
      They're doing sly things with snaps, like automatically installing the snap when you try to apt install something. I wouldn't put it past them to try to reinstall snapd without notification. It's easier to just move to a system you can trust.
      • abrouwers 2y ago
        I don't agree, it's easy to set the mozilla repo as pinned / priority for apt (in fact, mozilla's 2-step instructions help you do that). I'm not sure what the second point means, are you not in charge of the package manager on your system? I can't say I've had apt run without my knowledge :-)
• dv_dt 2y ago
  I started using PopOS for basically snapless Ubuntu and a simpler desktop, but I keep thinking of going back Debian. I think AMD GPUs are probably well integrated by now and GPU support was one of my original reasons for moving off of Debian and onto Ubuntu
  • neilo40 2y ago
    I’m in a similar boat. I jumped to pop!os from Ubuntu for the nvidia gpu support (and snapectomy) which has worked pretty well. I think I’ll be upgrading to an AMD gpu next though so will likely go Debian after that too. My other non-gaming machines are on bookworm
• tannhaeuser 2y ago
  Yeah Ubuntu sucks compared to what it was around 2012-2016. Problem is Fedora is even worse. If you don't believe me, check it out yourself. For example, Fedora's (unaltered upstream?) gnome desktop requires routinely twice as many mouse clicks to accomplish anything: say you want to search something, then you need to click on the odd "workspaces" thing (a vertical bar without text description in the upper left corner) first, then you can select the app/workspace where you can enter your search, and the same with other apps. Also, Fedora's gnome has no windows minimize/maximize buttons if you can believe it! And a Fedora is only maintained for like 8 month or so compared to Ubuntu LTS' 5 years. So why not install an alternative desktop instead? Yeah then you can as well use another distro altogether, the point of Ubuntu being within a large group that can be targeted by third party software and integrators. The idea with gnome 3+ seems to be a tablet-like experience. Ok now I actually do own a tablet (a Surface Go) so I tried Ubuntu and Fedora on it in a dual boot config with Windows. It's not half-bad with device recognition but unpolished; eg. the virtual keyboard isn't localized, gnome's own setting dialogs on actual tablet 3:2 aspect ratios are cut off, can't rely on touch and still need mouse/keyboard, etc. What was tempting with Fedora is that they put some effort into webcam support lately - but then the apps I wanted to use it with (MS Teams or Google Meet on FF) still couldn't use it because pipewire or codecs or whatever, and those web apps officially support Ubuntu only anyway. Ubuntu's current LTS didn't even find it, and if it would find it, FF in a fscking snap or other pointless container dreck would need extra permissions plus AppArmor config nobody is able to figure out. A poor impression considering this is already the .2 iteration of an LTS release (but hopefully the upcoming 24.04.3 update can help). I thought those problems were a thing of the pre-CoVid past, but unfortunately they aren't, and the Surface Go is ages old. The Linux desktop experience is beginning to feel like an effort of inexperienced developers who put too much refactoring on the plate that they then can't pull off (aka second system effect) with Wayland, containers, and whatnot.
  • dralley 2y ago
    Disliking GNOME is not a Fedora problem, there are plenty of other spins to use than the default Workstation. I agree that GNOME's defaults aren't great, but with a few extensions and tweaks it's a very nice desktop. I just wish the defaults were closer to my preferences, but so do we all.
• mythz 2y ago
  As a longtime Windows user I switched to a Fedora Desktop. Prefer using a modern distro with latest software inc. Wayland and latest Nvidia drivers and Flatpacks. No idea what's possessed Ubuntu to go their own way with Snap's, but I didn't leave Windows to move to a curated walled Desktop. Anyway Fedora's a great high quality, well maintained distro with no signs of Enshittification from RedHat's sponsorship yet. With that said I still use Ubuntu for servers (no intention to pay for RHEL). Although with all our App's deployed as Docker containers, Ubuntu isn't doing too much.
• xet7 2y ago
  I'm currently using newest Ubuntu desktop. It works great for me. I also continue maintaining and publishing Snap packages, Snap works great for me. I also use Ubuntu at Server, Raspberry Pi, OrangePi, etc.
• 1970-01-01 2y ago
  Reposting my comment from a few days ago to see if there is any difference in the groupthink's opinion, or if it falls back into the "these are all anecdotal opinions" trap. Linux in a nutshell: Just awful in a laptop, meh in a desktop, and first-class as a server.
  • bittercynic 2y ago
    My main computer is a linux laptop, and I've been pretty happy with it for many years. There are inconveniences, but I prefer these inconveniences to the ones I'd have with Windows, Mac, or ChromeOS.
  • ranger207 2y ago
    Depends on your measure of inconvenience. My laptop's been running Linux for the past 3.5 years, but it's a Framework which is relatively well supported by Linux. I've heard horror stores about in particular laptops with both Intel integrated graphics and a discrete Nvidia graphics card. On the other hand, my company gave me a Dell with Windows 11, and every once in a while the "Intel® Smart Sound Technology for MIPI SoundWire® Audio" speakers and microphone occasionally just disappears from the system and so I have to restart which takes about 10 minutes each time. Overall though when Linux breaks I can fix it, or I can change out parts I don't like. That's better for me than, eg, Windows's Start Menu search searching on the internet and being unable to change that
    • BenjiWiebe 2y ago
      W.r.t. Windows start menu web search, I highly recommend O&O ShutUp10 to disable that and other annoyances. And it's customizable, so you can use it to just disable what you want.
• nobody42 2y ago
  Same. I sighed when they continued to run telemetry after disabling it - I blocked it (don't care if it's a dry run or not). Bit the bullet when they discontinued FF/TB in favor of snaps - installed them from tar. But when they installed ubuntu-pro without notice, on existing system, which is impossible to remove without also removing DE - that was the last straw for me. I'm moving all my desktops to Debian. Unfortunately Debian can't be recommended for beginners due to sheer volume of documentation for Ubuntu on the web.
• juneyi 2y ago
  i suppose it might have something to do with how they recruit and the folks that are willing to go through with it https://x.com/ChShersh/status/1816514954302025820 https://x.com/ChShersh/status/1816514954302025820 if you don't want to click on the link, I've copied most of it below (his second post has a screenshot of the questions!): "I had been using Ubuntu for 10 years. Last year, I applied to Canonical for a job to develop Ubuntu itself in Rust. Before the interview, they asked me to write a 20-page essay about my life, aspirations, philosophy and whatnot."
• jonkoops 2y ago
  I am a simple man, I see Fedora and I upvote.
• SoftTalker 2y ago
  I've been on OpenBSD for well over a decade. Nothing ever breaks. It doesn't support everything under the sun, but if it supports what you have, it's generally very solid.
  • kennysoona 2y ago
    All niche OSes and simpler/smaller linux distros are equal in this regard. Same is true for Slackware, Alpine, NetBSD, etc.
• swayvil 2y ago
  I highly recommend Debian with the Mate desktop.
• whalesalad 2y ago
  debian 12 and call it a day. truly the best distro.
• ustad 2y ago
  A few days ago, I ran my usual apt update/upgrade on Xubuntu 24.04 LTS, and it completely broke. Tried troubleshooting, but couldn’t get anywhere. Seriously? So, I made sure my backups were safe and reinstalled Xubuntu 24.01 LTS. Same story - apt update/upgrade broke it again. Not exactly how I wanted to start my Monday. I decided to give Debian a shot instead. The installation process was a bit different, but it went smoothly, and everything’s been running great since. So far, I’m really happy with it. Goodbye, Ubuntu/Xubuntu, and thanks for all the fish!
• AdmiralAsshat 2y ago
  I've been a mostly happy Fedora user for about eight years now (counting the two years when I was on the Fedora-based derivative, Korora). I do worry about IBM's increasingly heavy hand on Red Hat, despite Fedora's repeated assurances that they are totally independent of IBM. When a Dev starts talking about putting AI into the Fedora Workstation, that makes me very nervous. [0] Also, I appreciate Fedora's bleeding edge nature, but once I got done distro hopping and no longer needed "bleeding edge" kernel support for my new-at-the-time hardware, the 6-month release cycle does get to me a bit. Although I've never had an install completely hosed by the upgrade, I still have a mild panic attack every time I've gotta do a version bump because something always breaks at the first or second post-upgrade reboot, causing me to fear that the upgrade has failed. I haven't tried doing the once-a-year two-version upgrade yet (although Fedora says it is officially supported), I might look into doing that on one of my boxes next time. [0] https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2025/02/03/looking-ahead-at-2025-and-fedora-workstation-and-jobs-on-offer/ https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2025/02/03/looking-ahead-at-2...
  • dralley 2y ago
    I don't care if they tinker with AI integration, so long as it's A) completely optional, B) local-only and C) based on open-source models.
• ge96 2y ago
  I'm surprised Ubuntu is my goto for "works out of the box" bout to flash that b on a Surface Book 3 I'll sacrifice my camera but I need all 3 OSs
• kennysoona 2y ago
  Ubuntu never appealed to me, but then I was still a Slackware user when it started getting popular. Throwing everything bleeding edge into a release distro because bug be damned at least the hardware worked, and then as it got more stable it basically just became windows - no longer could config files be edited, you needed to use their wizards. No thanks.
  • ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 2y ago
    > no longer could config files be edited What files? What config? What are you talking about?
    • kennysoona 2y ago
      I feel like the part of my text you declined to quote "you needed to use their wizards. " clarifies things, or at least the context. I don't have specific examples because it's been like 15 years since I played with it, although Upstart, their own gui environment, and snaps are all probably at least loosely related examples.
      • ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 2y ago
        > the part of my text you declined to quote Okay? Would you feel better if I quoted the whole thing? > I feel like the part of my text you declined to quote "you needed to use their wizards. " clarifies things, or at least the context. I don't have specific examples because it's been like 15 years since I played with it, although Upstart, their own gui environment, and snaps are all probably at least loosely related examples. I have used Ubuntu a very long time, and I don't remember having to use a wizard for anything. Also, upstart is no longer a thing. It definitely didn't require a wizard to use. Additionally, snaps didn't exist 15 years ago.
        • kennysoona 2y ago
          > Okay? Would you feel better if I quoted the whole thing? It's just weird to omit the part of my text that clarifies what I was talking about in your quote to then ask what it is I'm talking about. > I have used Ubuntu a very long time, and I don't remember having to use a wizard for anything. I mean, there definitely are some wizards baked in just for simple stuff, so that's certainly odd. Even Debian has a few wizards. Wizards are not an inherently bad thing that you need to deny their existence in ubuntu completely, lol. > Also, upstart is no longer a thing. It definitely didn't require a wizard to use. Additionally, snaps didn't exist 15 years ago. Upstart no longer being a thing and snaps not existing 15 years ago are very, very, very much irrelevant to the point was making. which I think you knew and you're choosing to be very pedantic because you feel the need to defend the software you like and have been using for 20 years. The point was just to give light examples of Ubuntu-invented and made default solutions to things that require learning the 'ubuntu way' of doing things and are sometimes hidden behind abstraction. The reason my parent comment was upvoted was because the people that agreed understood the gist of what I was saying. I suspect you do as well, you just don't think my point is an issue because it hasn't affected your usage in any way. There's plenty of examples of what I refer to in this thread, including issues with configuring Unity, snaps being forced without user consent, mount output being unreadable, sys v init scripts hidden behind systemd unit files (which generally include there somewhere being a comment not to edit the file directly). People that just want something simple to use for browsing and office apps and maybe some development don't really care what they use as long as it's stable and don't tinker enough to run into the issues this stuff causes. You probably would have been equally happy on Fedora.
• juujian 2y ago
  Same experience, switched to Debian last year. Funny enough, things just work. Like we used to say about Ubuntu. Snaps made me wary about flatpaks, but they're ok, much better startup time, though using way too much storage. I had to take it one step further and switch to Debian Testing to get certain packages, and somehow the experience of installing updates is still better than Ubuntu. Go figure.
• djfobbz 2y ago
  Agreed. All of my VPS servers now run Debian, except in specific cases where I use CentOS for its kernel stability, predictability, and Yum's rollback capabilities.
• Link512 2y ago
  In 2020 when I was upgrading to Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, a similar thing happened to me where the upgrade simply froze for 1 hour and upon rebooting the whole installation was fucked. This was the 3rd time when this happened over the years (I've been using Ubuntu on and off since 2008). I'd finally had it with Ubuntu and I quickly flashed a USB drive with ArchLinux, used it to salvage the data from my broken installation ,since my /home partition was still intact and then switched to Arch as a daily driver. Have had very little problems since
• VyseofArcadia 2y ago
  I have no qualms with maintaining a Gentoo installation on my desktop, but on my laptop I want something relatively stable (no-rolling release, prefer something similar to LTS) and hassle free. A great out-of-the-box KDE experience would be nice but not necessary. Currently running Kubuntu, not sure what to switch to. Most "it just works" distros seem to be based on Ubuntu, which defeats the purpose a little. I've considered returning to my first love, Slackware. Open to suggestions.
  • troyvit 2y ago
    I found kde-neon to be more stable than Kubuntu, and it has a weird mix of rolling release and LTS. That is, it stays on LTS (22.04 currently) but regularly releases updates to the window manager. They're Ubuntu based, but it's easy to remove snaps from their ecosystem and just use debs, flatpak, and AppImages.
• mhitza 2y ago
  In in the same situation, as an Estonian e-resident, I have to rely on the Estonian smartcard software and went with Ubuntu on my work machine. The default experience has more bugs than I've ever encountered with Fedora: update center couldn't update itself but was nagging me about needing an update (a snap package classic), a constant crash popup error after login due to some funky component, some Gnome specific issues that I don't even care to remember (switched to KDE in less than a day). OP should be aware that using Fedora while relying on DigiDoc is a gamble. It breaks almost every year on Fedora (since 2021 when I've started using it). Last big one I remeber is when DigiDoc devs made some major breaking change right before the deadline for submitting the annual report, and I had to scramble to work around it. Thanks to some Fedora community member that made a copr with fixes ahead of the distribution package. Now I'm in the posture where I run Ubuntu for the software support, and development inside a Fedora VM. Also, the smartcard software works with Ubuntu's snap Firefox package, you just need to restart the computer, for some reason to have it picked up.
• karussell 2y ago
  Ubuntu has still the best driver support IMO (printer, fingerprint, etc). And so I only have to replace all snaps with flatpaks which works fine since 2 years.
• anonymousiam 2y ago
  I'm in full agreement that Ubuntu updates suck, and snap sucks, but Fedora? Why would I want to run an unstable-by-design distro, produced by a company that restricts access to their GPL'ed Linux updates? (Note: I did not say they deny access.) Having gone through update hell just a few months ago when I tried to go from 23.10 to 24.04, and eventually giving up after spending way too much time on it, I'll probably just stick with fresh installs from now on. You may blame me for running a non-LTS release, but at the time, it was the only thing that would run on my new Lenovo Thinkpad. Snaps are horrible, but I understand that Canonical needs some things to distinguish itself. If I cannot find a repo or a deb file, I would rather install from source than use a snap. I like Debian, and I like that Ubuntu is Debian based. Setting up a modern dev environemnt on RedHat or Fedora will not give you the latest stable tools. Ubuntu will at least give you some stable tools that were released within the past year or two.
• tmtvl 2y ago
  Ubuntu got me hooked on GNU/Linux back in 2012. Since then I've tried various different distros, and eventually I wound up bouncing betweet Arch and Tumbleweed. It's a real shame Unity never went anywhere, the universal menu or whatever it was called was really cool.
• matltc 2y ago
  Time to pick up *BSD
• INTPenis 2y ago
  I stopped using Debian/Ubuntu in 2014. Was already tired of all the issues, but I met a RHEL trainer that completely broke down all my old teenage prejudices I had against RH. So I spent that very night reinstalling my laptop from Debian to Fedora, and never looked back. Just started a new job this year and they gave me a Kubuntu workstation. My impression after one month is that nothing has changed, it's still a very bad OS, and KDE tries to be "fool-proof" like Windows but it fails miserably. There is definitely an advantage to having a big experienced enterprise behind your distro. RHEL is free for personal use, and Fedora of course, but I'd be willing to pay more for a Fedora license than I ever did for a Windows license.
  • latentcall 2y ago
    Man if my workplace gave me a machine with Kubuntu on it I’d be so happy even though I share the same sentiment about Ubuntu. Heck I’m a Linux admin now and my workplace gave me a laptop with Windows 11.
    • INTPenis 2y ago
      Oh I'm sorry but this was a thread about gripes. I am super happy and I wouldn't have taken the job if I wasn't. I can just reinstall my laptop with Fedora at any point, I've been forcing myself to use Ubuntu this first month just to get an idea of how it works again. I just came from 13 years at a microsoft gold partner having to tunnel my traffic through my Windows laptop. But also the reason for that was security, which I completely understand. There was no good alternative for our VPN host checker on Linux. And the VPN host checker is what verified our systems were up2date and up2standard for working with big government clients.
• damion6 2y ago
  I started with compiling from source, moved to redhat , slackware , lfs , Gentoo. Ubuntu was great as hardware got good enough not to need custom kernels. The last few years quality has suffered. Upgrading used to be a no-brainer. The last few upgrades hosed my systems each time. Moved to Arch over such losses. Snap and flatpak are giant issues, so is docker crap. Docker is the best of the bunch, but I like to have a choice. If I'm installing a server that does one thing. I don't need docker. Kinda silly
• ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 2y ago
  I have no issues with Ubuntu. It works great and snaps work fine for me. I have used it alongside other distributions for nearly twenty years. I would wager Ubuntu is probably the most popular Linux distribution for "cloud" computing. Seems to work fine there. Yet, not for all the people commenting in this thread.
• tanylak 2y ago
  Haven't been a fan of Ubuntu for a while. Dropped it a few years ago and switched to Mac.
• HackerThemAll 2y ago
  Wherever I can, I use FreeBSD (on servers). That's a first class solid operating system. Your ramblings about Snaps are just lame. I've never seen any real issue with snap apart from a childish whining to show how much of a rebel are you. "Mommy, I won't use that snaps because they're ugly. But what's wrong with them? They're ugly because I don't like them!"
• johnea 2y ago
  On to IBM/RedHat huh? Doesn't seem like you really learned your lesson. Try voidlinux...
• Fnoord 2y ago
  Use a LTS distribution with nixpkgs or containers and call it a day. I use nixpkgs on every OS.
• QuiEgo 2y ago
  I have nothing but gratitude for having a whole OS given to me for free. But I’ve gotta say, the “what distro is cool nowadays” game is exhausting. I’m very happy to pay Apple money and have macOS. It’s the “user friendly” Unix experience if that’s what you really want.
• mldbk 2y ago
  I have installed Fedora back in 2017, since that time I just upgrade it: sudo dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=NN && sudo dnf system-upgrade reboot. Haven't reinstalled it in 8 years. Everything runs smoothly.
• evanjrowley 2y ago
  I use Ubuntu for two reasons: 1. Mostly first-class support for root-on-ZFS. 2. Supported by Microsoft InTune, so my employer can be happy. It's been with me for almost 20 years. Not great, but definitely workable from a user standpoint.
• rschlack 2y ago
  I was a big fan of Fedora until the whole thing was borked by a bug with AMD laptops. Took them way too long to fix that one. I've actually moved back to Ubuntu 24.04 for it's stability. I use flatpak for the most part. But the whole thing is much more stable and I like the fact that it has the left icon bar and I don't have to manually configure dash to dock to get what should be on every OS by default. Why does gnome think that it's not necessary. I feel blind without a dock showing what's running. Too many clicks and nonsense on default gnome.
• zak905 2y ago
  I had the worst possible experience upgrading from 20.04 to 22.04, I wrote something about it: http://www.zakariaamine.com/2023-08-27/disastrous-ubuntu-upgrade/ http://www.zakariaamine.com/2023-08-27/disastrous-ubuntu-upg...