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I mean going to school for 10 years only to be in debt for 100K-300K+ dollars, and not have a good idea of whether you will be able to pay that back... is a mas

I mean going to school for 10 years only to be in debt for 100K-300K+ dollars, and not have a good idea of whether you will be able to pay that back... is a massive problem. Most countries don't have this issue, for example. They have an abundance of doctors and engineers, because people who actually want to do those things, are able to pursue those careers without financial investment. We are snubbing an entire generation of people and then acting surprised when the very obvious consequences of those actions start to come back to bite us. Its the definition of insanity.

wqaatwt 2y ago
> They have an abundance of doctors and engineers They are usually paid several times less than people doing the same jobs in US.
- hattmall 2y ago
  I don't really see why that would be a problem.
  - ajbourg 2y ago
    It's fine if you're starting from nothing. But we wouldn't be starting from nothing. There's a large group of people who would lose income and who will lobby against that.
- fefferkorn 2y ago
  But in other countries they dont need to pay so much for social system, insurance or healthcare, kindergarden and so on.. You can not always compare everything with money, when there is a lot around it.
  - wqaatwt 2y ago
    Would you rather spend 10% of 50k on healthcare or 15% of 100k? Also taxes are generally much higher in these countries as well.
    - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
      Taxes are usually higher, but not incredibly so. Healthcare spending is generally less for better results. Switzerland spends the most, although nowhere near what America spends, and is where Romney/heritage foundation got the mandatory health insurance idea from.
      - wqaatwt 2y ago
        Well yes, Switzerland is pretty much the only place in Europe where income/wages are overall on par with those in the US (of course not in all sectors). Other countries are generally very poor in comparison. > Taxes are usually higher, but not incredibly so So again.. would you rather make 60k and pay 45% in taxes or make 100k and pay 35%? > nowhere near what America spends Sure, if you are above median higher will likely more than compensate the higher healthcare costs (unless you’re very unlucky of course).
- otikik 2y ago
  But their cost of life is also lower.
  - wqaatwt 2y ago
    Is it? Housing in Paris, London, Munich, Toronto, Vancouver etc. is extremely expensive relative to income of course other stuff varies.
    - otikik 2y ago
      Apples to apples. If you take the extremes in Europe, you have to take the extremes in the US as well. London and Paris most be compared to New York or San Francisco, not with Cheyenne (Wyoming).
      - wqaatwt 2y ago
        Yes, exactly. Why do you think I meant something else?
        otikik 2y ago
        Because New York and San Francisco are more expensive than Paris and London.
nradov 2y ago
It's hardly "most countries". The USA is about average for developed countries in terms of physicians per capita. We're higher than France, Belgium, UK, Japan, Canada, etc. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.MED.PHYS.ZS?most_recent_value_desc=true https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.MED.PHYS.ZS?most_rec...

wqaatwt 2y ago

> They have an abundance of doctors and engineers They are usually paid several times less than people doing the same jobs in US.

hattmall 2y ago
I don't really see why that would be a problem.
- ajbourg 2y ago
  It's fine if you're starting from nothing. But we wouldn't be starting from nothing. There's a large group of people who would lose income and who will lobby against that.
fefferkorn 2y ago
But in other countries they dont need to pay so much for social system, insurance or healthcare, kindergarden and so on.. You can not always compare everything with money, when there is a lot around it.
- wqaatwt 2y ago
  Would you rather spend 10% of 50k on healthcare or 15% of 100k? Also taxes are generally much higher in these countries as well.
  - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
    Taxes are usually higher, but not incredibly so. Healthcare spending is generally less for better results. Switzerland spends the most, although nowhere near what America spends, and is where Romney/heritage foundation got the mandatory health insurance idea from.
    - wqaatwt 2y ago
      Well yes, Switzerland is pretty much the only place in Europe where income/wages are overall on par with those in the US (of course not in all sectors). Other countries are generally very poor in comparison. > Taxes are usually higher, but not incredibly so So again.. would you rather make 60k and pay 45% in taxes or make 100k and pay 35%? > nowhere near what America spends Sure, if you are above median higher will likely more than compensate the higher healthcare costs (unless you’re very unlucky of course).
otikik 2y ago
But their cost of life is also lower.
- wqaatwt 2y ago
  Is it? Housing in Paris, London, Munich, Toronto, Vancouver etc. is extremely expensive relative to income of course other stuff varies.
  - otikik 2y ago
    Apples to apples. If you take the extremes in Europe, you have to take the extremes in the US as well. London and Paris most be compared to New York or San Francisco, not with Cheyenne (Wyoming).
    - wqaatwt 2y ago
      Yes, exactly. Why do you think I meant something else?
      - otikik 2y ago
        Because New York and San Francisco are more expensive than Paris and London.

nradov 2y ago

It's hardly "most countries". The USA is about average for developed countries in terms of physicians per capita. We're higher than France, Belgium, UK, Japan, Canada, etc. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.MED.PHYS.ZS?most_recent_value_desc=true https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.MED.PHYS.ZS?most_rec...