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Hear me out: the web / oss community could absolutely band together and rebrand JavaScript. Could be: LiveScript, WebScript, etc. There would be good support a

Hear me out: the web / oss community could absolutely band together and rebrand JavaScript. Could be: LiveScript, WebScript, etc. There would be good support and we could do it fairly swiftly. To hell with Oracle.

Etheryte 2y ago
We could also rebrand it as Js and it would be the funniest thing ever. Few things would make me happier than seeing Oracle being screwed by something that's technically correct, but clearly nonsense to every living human being.
- scripturial 2y ago
  The only reason it hasn’t had a name change is oracle hasn’t tried to protect the name. There needs to be a campaign to change the name.
- jonny_eh 2y ago
  I saw someone recommend the JS rebrand years ago, so I just started using it. Everyone knows what I mean when I mention "JS", I never have to explain.
- giorgioz 2y ago
  Yes this seems to have become the best practice with all the JS Conf events and the logo showing JS. But frankly Oracle has always been a jerk and had miopic vision in things like this. I'm happy if someone also fights them on being a mindless jerk. They sued Google over Android using Java which was literally the best thing ever for Java. Java got learned by a whole new generation of developers (myself among those). Google at the time was also publishing the GWT Google Web Toolkit. Oracle would rather own a tombstone with written Java and JavaScript on it rather than set them free and find some other indirect ways to monetize. "If you love something, set them free" doesn't apply to Oracle, whose policies seem to show they have little love for development and software itself.
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mrmincent 2y ago
I like NetScript, give a little callback to Netscape.
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ilaksh 2y ago
That's an interesting idea. Just to mention though: LiveScript is a really great language that compiles to JavaScript. https://livescript.net/ https://livescript.net/
- vips7L 2y ago
  Wasn’t LiveScript JS’s original name?
  - cafeinux 2y ago
    According to Wikipedia, it was a server-side language, that NetScape adapted to client-side and renamed JavaScript a few days before go-live, to piggyback on Java's name and please Sun Microsystem shareholders. Then people created node.js and went back to server-side JS. Life is cyclical.
    - jazzypants 2y ago
      No. It was the same language. Livewire was the server tech. Livewire implemented a <server> tag in LiveScript, but the majority of the scripting implementation was exactly the same. [0] JS was originally named Mocha, but it was renamed to LiveScript as a tie-in with the server tech. However, after the deal with Sun Microsystems to put Java in the browser, it was almost scrapped before being saved by giving it the final name of JavaScript. [1] To clarify, there was around a fifteen year gap between Livewire and Node.js, so things were not quite as streamlined as you implied. [0]: https://dev.to/macargnelutti/server-side-javascript-a-decade-before-node-js-with-netscape-livewire-l72 https://dev.to/macargnelutti/server-side-javascript-a-decade... [1] https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/node-up-and/9781449332235/pr03.html https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/node-up-and/97814493322...
mech422 2y ago
I thought that was 'ecmascript' ??
- Someone1234 2y ago
  It is, but everyone hates that and has no idea how to say it.
  - mech422 2y ago
    LOL - fair enough. Always sounded like a skin condition to me.. (I'm not a JS programmer though)
  - probably_wrong 2y ago
    I'm so glad we're all in agreement regarding how to say "gif".
    - throwfgtpwd234 2y ago
      gift without t. ;)
      - WorldMaker 2y ago
        Which was the original spelling of that word in Old English, which is why I've come to prefer the Old English pronunciation for gif: HYEEF.
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thayne 2y ago
I also wouldn't complain about losing the confusion between Java and JavaScript.
jonny_eh 2y ago
Hear me out: TypeScript
- Timwi 2y ago
  UntypeScript
  - throwfgtpwd234 2y ago
    TypelessScript (Very fun to type when the "S" is lowercased.)
GoblinSlayer 2y ago
Microsoft calls its variant "JScript".
- throwfgtpwd234 2y ago
  That no longer exists in any meaningful form.
throwfgtpwd234 2y ago
JarvisPact
robertlagrant 2y ago
Can we call it LarryScript?

Etheryte 2y ago

We could also rebrand it as Js and it would be the funniest thing ever. Few things would make me happier than seeing Oracle being screwed by something that's technically correct, but clearly nonsense to every living human being.

scripturial 2y ago
The only reason it hasn’t had a name change is oracle hasn’t tried to protect the name. There needs to be a campaign to change the name.
jonny_eh 2y ago
I saw someone recommend the JS rebrand years ago, so I just started using it. Everyone knows what I mean when I mention "JS", I never have to explain.
giorgioz 2y ago
Yes this seems to have become the best practice with all the JS Conf events and the logo showing JS. But frankly Oracle has always been a jerk and had miopic vision in things like this. I'm happy if someone also fights them on being a mindless jerk. They sued Google over Android using Java which was literally the best thing ever for Java. Java got learned by a whole new generation of developers (myself among those). Google at the time was also publishing the GWT Google Web Toolkit. Oracle would rather own a tombstone with written Java and JavaScript on it rather than set them free and find some other indirect ways to monetize. "If you love something, set them free" doesn't apply to Oracle, whose policies seem to show they have little love for development and software itself.

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mrmincent 2y ago

I like NetScript, give a little callback to Netscape.

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ilaksh 2y ago

That's an interesting idea. Just to mention though: LiveScript is a really great language that compiles to JavaScript. https://livescript.net/ https://livescript.net/

vips7L 2y ago
Wasn’t LiveScript JS’s original name?
- cafeinux 2y ago
  According to Wikipedia, it was a server-side language, that NetScape adapted to client-side and renamed JavaScript a few days before go-live, to piggyback on Java's name and please Sun Microsystem shareholders. Then people created node.js and went back to server-side JS. Life is cyclical.
  - jazzypants 2y ago
    No. It was the same language. Livewire was the server tech. Livewire implemented a <server> tag in LiveScript, but the majority of the scripting implementation was exactly the same. [0] JS was originally named Mocha, but it was renamed to LiveScript as a tie-in with the server tech. However, after the deal with Sun Microsystems to put Java in the browser, it was almost scrapped before being saved by giving it the final name of JavaScript. [1] To clarify, there was around a fifteen year gap between Livewire and Node.js, so things were not quite as streamlined as you implied. [0]: https://dev.to/macargnelutti/server-side-javascript-a-decade-before-node-js-with-netscape-livewire-l72 https://dev.to/macargnelutti/server-side-javascript-a-decade... [1] https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/node-up-and/9781449332235/pr03.html https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/node-up-and/97814493322...

mech422 2y ago

I thought that was 'ecmascript' ??

Someone1234 2y ago
It is, but everyone hates that and has no idea how to say it.
- mech422 2y ago
  LOL - fair enough. Always sounded like a skin condition to me.. (I'm not a JS programmer though)
- probably_wrong 2y ago
  I'm so glad we're all in agreement regarding how to say "gif".
  - throwfgtpwd234 2y ago
    gift without t. ;)
    - WorldMaker 2y ago
      Which was the original spelling of that word in Old English, which is why I've come to prefer the Old English pronunciation for gif: HYEEF.
- throwfgtpwd234 2y ago
  [flagged]

thayne 2y ago

I also wouldn't complain about losing the confusion between Java and JavaScript.

jonny_eh 2y ago

Hear me out: TypeScript

Timwi 2y ago
UntypeScript
- throwfgtpwd234 2y ago
  TypelessScript (Very fun to type when the "S" is lowercased.)

GoblinSlayer 2y ago

Microsoft calls its variant "JScript".

throwfgtpwd234 2y ago
That no longer exists in any meaningful form.

throwfgtpwd234 2y ago

JarvisPact

robertlagrant 2y ago

Can we call it LarryScript?