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I bet you're from the USA, so this may be hard for you to understand given your context, but as someone from LATAM, let me tell you: China can try really hard t

I bet you're from the USA, so this may be hard for you to understand given your context, but as someone from LATAM, let me tell you: China can try really hard to be evil - they will have a LOT of work to be worse than the US.

dekhn 2y ago
That's mainly because the USA's flaws have been covered in far more detail, and has also played a bigger role in Latin America. Once those countries start to deal with China more you may find your observations were biased.
- Daishiman 2y ago
  How many democratically-elected democracies has China overthrown through bloody dictatorships?
  - gowld 2y ago
    CCP's dictatorship bloodily conquered China, population 1.4B, 20% of the entire planet's people. USA has also rescued hundreds of millions of people (including China!) from bloody conquerers, as in WW II.
    - dekhn 2y ago
      You're arguing with folks who just want to be angry, not listen to facts or sage observations. (it's not like the US is innocent; we have made a huge number of terrible mistakes attempting to maintain the Pax Americana. I fully acknowledge while being fairly sure that China could and would do far, far worse than the US)
      - Daishiman 2y ago
        This speculation that China could do far worse is totally unfounded given that they've had plenty of time to push buttons militarily that the US and the Soviet Union had already pushed with much less military power.
    - greatpatton 2y ago
      What democratic government did they overthrew? Because the ROC was no more democratic than the CCP... and Taiwan didn't have real election till the 1990.
  - vaccineai 2y ago
    China is allied with Russia right now to overthrow Ukraine
- HotPotato787 2y ago
  You're right, but that's not the point. Being afraid that another state will become the leading superpower and "dictate the international order" when your oligarchical country has been doing the same thing for the past 70~ years, and not in a "cuddly as Mickey Mouse" way, is HILARIOUS. The doublethink is off the charts! hahahaha.
  - thomassmith65 2y ago
    America has been truly 'oligarchal' for approximately the past one month, whereas China has been a totalitarian state for the better part of a century. Why not compare the Allies with the Axis next? The US was segregated, right, so... hey, same difference! /s
    - rKarpinski 2y ago
      The US has a pretty extensive 100+ year history of imperialism, destabilization and violence in LATM [1], which is where they are from. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...
      - thomassmith65 2y ago
        Everyone knows that. A surprising number of people don't seem to know the first thing about China. Hey, it might not help that China doesn't allow a fifth of the world to learn the history of China. But let's talk again in four years. The way things are going in America, I may agree with you guys by then :(
thomassmith65 2y ago
If this kind of take is what I missed by never installing TikTok, I don't regret it. Also, China did try it only a few decades ago. Murder, starvation, horrific torture, reeducation camps, brainwashed children denouncing their parents... impressively evil. Not that Tiananmen Square or Uyghur ethnic cleansing or kidnappings of expat dissidents are so much better.
- psunavy03 2y ago
  It's extremely telling that you're bringing up the atrocities of the Cultural Revolution and the Great Leap Forward and being downvoted as if the US had ever done anything to that scale. For sure this country has its own flawed history with slavery and treatment of Native Americans, but China is absolutely on its own level with Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia.

dekhn 2y ago

That's mainly because the USA's flaws have been covered in far more detail, and has also played a bigger role in Latin America. Once those countries start to deal with China more you may find your observations were biased.

Daishiman 2y ago
How many democratically-elected democracies has China overthrown through bloody dictatorships?
- gowld 2y ago
  CCP's dictatorship bloodily conquered China, population 1.4B, 20% of the entire planet's people. USA has also rescued hundreds of millions of people (including China!) from bloody conquerers, as in WW II.
  - dekhn 2y ago
    You're arguing with folks who just want to be angry, not listen to facts or sage observations. (it's not like the US is innocent; we have made a huge number of terrible mistakes attempting to maintain the Pax Americana. I fully acknowledge while being fairly sure that China could and would do far, far worse than the US)
    - Daishiman 2y ago
      This speculation that China could do far worse is totally unfounded given that they've had plenty of time to push buttons militarily that the US and the Soviet Union had already pushed with much less military power.
  - greatpatton 2y ago
    What democratic government did they overthrew? Because the ROC was no more democratic than the CCP... and Taiwan didn't have real election till the 1990.
- vaccineai 2y ago
  China is allied with Russia right now to overthrow Ukraine
HotPotato787 2y ago
You're right, but that's not the point. Being afraid that another state will become the leading superpower and "dictate the international order" when your oligarchical country has been doing the same thing for the past 70~ years, and not in a "cuddly as Mickey Mouse" way, is HILARIOUS. The doublethink is off the charts! hahahaha.
- thomassmith65 2y ago
  America has been truly 'oligarchal' for approximately the past one month, whereas China has been a totalitarian state for the better part of a century. Why not compare the Allies with the Axis next? The US was segregated, right, so... hey, same difference! /s
  - rKarpinski 2y ago
    The US has a pretty extensive 100+ year history of imperialism, destabilization and violence in LATM [1], which is where they are from. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...
    - thomassmith65 2y ago
      Everyone knows that. A surprising number of people don't seem to know the first thing about China. Hey, it might not help that China doesn't allow a fifth of the world to learn the history of China. But let's talk again in four years. The way things are going in America, I may agree with you guys by then :(

thomassmith65 2y ago

If this kind of take is what I missed by never installing TikTok, I don't regret it. Also, China did try it only a few decades ago. Murder, starvation, horrific torture, reeducation camps, brainwashed children denouncing their parents... impressively evil. Not that Tiananmen Square or Uyghur ethnic cleansing or kidnappings of expat dissidents are so much better.

psunavy03 2y ago
It's extremely telling that you're bringing up the atrocities of the Cultural Revolution and the Great Leap Forward and being downvoted as if the US had ever done anything to that scale. For sure this country has its own flawed history with slavery and treatment of Native Americans, but China is absolutely on its own level with Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia.