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Do you not have wheelie-bins in the US?
by b800h 2y ago
Do you not have wheelie-bins in the US?
- greenavocado 2y agoNew York can hardly be called "the US" culturally
- Loudergood 2y agoNowhere in the US can be really. It's not as diverse culturally as "Europe" but it's more diverse than most countries by a lot.
- namaria 2y agoYeah how American is hip hop anyway?
- busterarm 2y agoHip Hop has shifted as much as America has. The only big 2020s hip hop artist from NY is Cardi B. Then you have to realize she's mostly a pop act -- a majority of hip hop heads don't listen to female artists.
- namaria 2y agoYeah Cardi B is pop music. And whoever heard of Lauryn Hill, Salt-n-Peppa, Erykah Badu, Eve, Lil Kim, Queen Latifah, Missy Elliot?
- busterarm 2y agoYou're talking about basically 30 years ago. That's an entire previous generation. Not speaking disrespectfully but none of who you mentioned have mainstream cultural relevance in _today's hip hop_. Kim and Missy come closest. If your argument is going to be that New York is the cultural center of hip hop, who from New York is representing today's hip hop? Who is selling the albums?
- namaria 2y agoMy argument was that one of the most American things ever (hip hop) is actually rooted in NY. The rest is a response to 'hip hop heads don't listen to female artists' so I mentioned a bunch of heavyweights. This can degenerate into 'no real scotsman' so whatever. There is today a whole lot of pop artists that use hip hop aesthetics, but as usual the real stuff is very much underground.
- tialaramex 2y agoThe fallacy is actually named "No True Scotsman" for whatever that's worth.
- namaria 2y agoC'mon really? In the Book of Fallacies they used the other word? Talk about pedantism.
- snovymgodym 2y agoThis just in: huge country has a pluralistic cultural identity
- busterarm 2y agoNative New Yorker now living in the real America vouching for the accuracy of this comment. The majority of the US shops at WalMart. New York City doesn't even have one.
- MathMonkeyMan 2y agoBut we have many Target. The K-Mart closed :(
- busterarm 2y agoThe rest of America finds Target too expensive and also kind of overrated.
- kcb 2y agoWhy?
- gnkyfrg 2y ago[dead]
- wan23 2y agoIn the US, yes, but in New York we generally just pile up our trash bags on the sidewalk on garbage day. We don't have alleyways between our buildings and most of the street space is taken up by free car storage.
- jstummbillig 2y agoWhere do you store full trash bags in between pickups?
- MisterTea 2y agoIn trash rooms, hallways or alleyways if one exists (common outside of Manhattan).
- soared 2y agoStill on the sidewalk. NYC is perpetually full of trash bags in comparison to other major cities (or non major cities)
- snakeyjake 2y agoOn the street. Go to Google Maps, zoom in on New York City, then drop a Streetview pin randomly anywhere in the city. Chances are very, VERY, good that just by panning, not moving, you'll find a trash bag dumped on the sidewalk.
- SOLAR_FIELDS 2y agoAs sibling implied basically every other major city in the US uses bins or dumpsters. Except NYC.
- yostrovs 2y agoIn New York City, the trash workers union prevents dumpsters from being used, which would kill jobs. Remember: trash is not a problem to deal with. It's a solution to unemployment.
- macintux 2y agoWhere would the dumpsters go? Serious question, the impression I get is that there is no room in many places in the city.
- bobbylarrybobby 2y agoParking spots that currently house individuals’s cars could be used for dumpsters instead.
- DonHopkins 2y agoWhat if all cars were required to haul trash?
- rincebrain 2y agoIgnoring the political backlash around taking people's parking, I would instead point out the likely rate of hitting dumpsters in the street with how tightly packed people would park around them. NYC was, for large stretches, built without the alleys that lots of other cities would use to store such bins, and I don't think you can easily accommodate the volumes of trash that people want to turn over with just street storage without significant logistical problems with how much you disrupt the flow of people in the city. Even if we eat the cost of parking around residential locations, businesses have gotten used to using the space in front of their restaurants as additional seating, so cannibalizing that for dumpsters will cause massive backlash on that front, to say nothing of the nasty effects on people's desire to eat when sitting next to a dumpster. I agree that NYC is slow moving on a lot of things, but this is also a genuinely hard problem.
- kevin_thibedeau 2y agoThey had plenty of room for on street restaurant expansions in many parts of the city.
- BtM909 2y agoI once saw a rat trying to open a wheelie-bin and when it looked up to me, I could see it think: shit, I'm busted; they know we are smart.
- cwmma 2y agoNew York was weirdly built without alleys so there is a legitimate issue of where do you put the bins when it's not trash day that almost every other city doesn't have
- eru 2y agoWell, they find the space to store their trash right now. So they definitely have enough space. The amount of trash would presumably roughly be the same before and after this change. Eg they could sacrifice some street parking spots for the bins. They could even charge the bins the same amount of money they charge for street parking (and fold these costs into the costs for trash disposal they charge trash producers).
- hombre_fatal 2y ago> Eg they could sacrifice some street parking spots for the bins. Taking away curb parking is one of the most heated political issues in the US. It's controversial enough to take away parking to make the road safer for pedestrians and other drivers (new daylighting law in SF), so I can't imagine how hard it would be to do it for some trash cans.
- eru 2y agoSomeone should try to campaign on turning all NYC sidewalks into parking spots.
- cafard 2y agoWashington, DC, has had "supercans" for about forty years. But it still has rats, though I suppose many fewer than it might.
- asdff 2y agoEven that doesn't solve it because the truck is too powerful for the bin. Over time the lid breaks apart from the grabbing and flicking motion. Plus some trash inevitably slips proper placement. And animals are smart. People are trying to sterilize rats or give them birth control now vs kill them. If you kill a rat, you still have the environment that could support a rat and one is liable to more in from the populations nearby you didn't kill. If you sterilize the rat and release it however, it keeps other new rats from moving in potentially in the maintenance of its territory and it could be doing this job for you for years while you try and sterilize the rest of the area. And eventually these rats will die, and if the great bulk has been sterilized in some way then you may actually eliminate or push back sterile rat populations out of certain areas.
- gambiting 2y ago>>Even that doesn't solve it because the truck is too powerful for the bin. Over time the lid breaks apart from the grabbing and flicking motion. I feel like you and I live on a different planet. Here in the UK we have those wheelie bins, they get collected using an automated dumpster truck that tips them inside itself, and I'm yet to hear about one of these braking - they are made out of proper thick plastic. Unless by "over time" you mean like 20+ years? https://www.wheeliebins.co.uk/blogs/news/everything-you-wanted-to-know-about-wheelie-bins https://www.wheeliebins.co.uk/blogs/news/everything-you-want...
- ianburrell 2y agoSame here in Oregon. My bins are old (at least 16 years) and same as when I moved in. I would think that is the truck was too strong, that could be adjusted. Or if city bought weak bins, they could be replaced by proper ones.
- asdff 2y agoHere is the truck in action. I get only a couple years before the lid starts fragmenting at the corners and sometimes breaks at the hinge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXiywhZxZis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXiywhZxZis
- potato3732842 2y agoI live in a city that most of HN would look down their nose at. We have "wheelie bins".
- hansvm 2y agoMost of HN has seen San Francisco. I doubt they'd look down too much.