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I'll provide some background for people that aren't familiar with the game. It's an online vehicular combat game where you pilot tanks, planes, helicopters and

I'll provide some background for people that aren't familiar with the game. It's an online vehicular combat game where you pilot tanks, planes, helicopters and warships. The vehicles range from pre-WW2 to modern. The game aims for realistic vehicle specifications, like armour thickness, penetration values etc. For older, actually real vehicles, that information is more easily available. For modern, classified vehicles, and vehicles that were never actually produced, they have to make reasonable assumptions. Sometimes players get upset about these assumptions and how they impact the game balance, and post classified design documents on the forums to argue their points.

itronitron 2y ago
Sounds like this could inspire a simple test as to whether someone should have access to classified information, which would also positively indicate their more mature than a twelve year old.
- CamperBob2 2y ago
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  - Ygg2 2y ago
    Who? Elon cheats at Path of Exile 2.
    - pengaru 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - Ygg2 2y ago
        Maybe I'm just from a culture that doesn't give much shit about honorifics. Or my tone is mocking. Disclaimer: I don't know Elon Musk, other than news articles, and geniunely don't care about him one way or the other.
- rincebrain 2y ago
  At least once, someone has reported online that they were asked if their friend played War Thunder when they were doing an interview to explore their friend's getting a clearance, so...
- sandworm101 2y ago
  There are also lots of people creating fake classified documents, and people in posession of "classified" stuff that has long ago been declassified. Those two groups, imho, outnumber all the people who leak actual info by 10x. (Remember too that having a clearance and having access are different things. Only a rare few have unfettered access to download/print/email to/from classified systems. Lots of gamers work at/for the NSA. That doesnt mean they can all browse the f35 flight manual over lunch.)
  - rtkwe 2y ago
    There's a lot less security around that data than you'd think, there was the very recent saga of Jack Teixeira in the Air National Guard who was smuggling out tons of classified data to impress his friends on Discord just by taking documents out or sneaking his phone in to take pictures. There's a LOT of people with access to the data and it's partially on the honor system and the threat of massive jail time when you're caught to keep people from doing this all the time.
praptak 2y ago
"Don't ask questions, post some blatantly wrong answers on the internet. You'll have angry PhDs running to explain how you are wrong!"
- unsupp0rted 2y ago
  https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/nerd_sniping.png https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/nerd_sniping.png
  - fragmede 2y ago
    356! https://xkcd.com/356/ https://xkcd.com/356/ if you link to the image directly, then you'll never learn the numbers. 356 is nerd sniping, 927 is standards, lucky 10,000 is 1053, load bearing is 2347, bobby tables is 327, research team is 1425...
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - reverendsteveii 2y ago
      I've been a dedicated geek and a firm believer that there's always an xkcd for every situation for quite a while but I don't think I'm at a place where I'm referring to comics by their number. Being said, I could imagine a comic about just this particular topic with cueball doing something that could be considered a reference then quietly giggling to himself while muttering "219" or w/e is the number of the appropriate comic.
      - fragmede 2y ago
        > I don't think I'm at a place where I'm referring to comics by their number. not with that attitude! 927 comes up often enough, and it's memorable because 3^2*100 + 3^3 , or Yoda's age - 900 + the 27 club of musicians who killed themselves so start there...
        2y ago
schainks 2y ago
Wow what a honeypot. Bet every government military loves this game to reverse engineer equipment.
raziel2701 2y ago
Wow so this is the "if you want a good answer from the internet post a wrong answer first" but escalated by a ton!! That's incredible!
- intpx 2y ago
  Ah yes. Dullingshires law
  - jamesfinlayson 2y ago
    > Dullingshires law Never heard this and Google is just giving me a bunch of law firms.
    - lsecondario 2y ago
      Maybe you should find the real name and post it as a reply.
    - hluska 2y ago
      It’s part of a cheeky joke. There’s an adage that if you really need to find a correct answer, go online and confidently give the wrong answer. More people will jump on to tell you you’re wrong than would answer the question if you asked. That’s called Cunningham’s law. The joke (which is actually quite funny) is that GP gave the wrong name for it and proved it. It wasn’t clear and I understand the confusion but welcome into the joke, my friend. :)
  - oddsockmachine 2y ago
    I think you mean Cunningham's Law...
    - Two4 2y ago
      Or maybe Cole's Law
    - muppetman 2y ago
      I always knew it as oddsockmachine's law.
robotnikman 2y ago
Going to hijack the top comment to provide my own observations as a player As a War Thunder player myself, here is some insights off the top of my head I can provide from the player base point of view, and as someone who has also submitted documentation to the devs to fix historical inaccuracies of some vehicles in the game... -Players can submit bug reports for vehicles, reporting incorrect characteristics, missing features etc. -In order to do so, players must research and compile documentation supporting their cases, from at least 2 primary sources. This means those devoted to such a report can spend hours or even days gathering material for their sources, sometimes going as far as digging through the historical archives of companies or countries for information --- Here's where problems start to arise: -The bug reports are overseen by a few volunteers who review the bug reports and decide what gets sent to the developers and what does not, who have a track record of arbitrarily choosing what gets passed to the developers for fixing, and what does not. So even a well made bug report with more than enough documents and source materials can be denied, and all the efforts of the reporter are in vain. -Even if a bug report gets passed to the developers, there is no timeline on when the missing features or inaccuracies of a vehicle will be fixed, and no communication from the developers whatsoever. It may be one month until its fixed, it may be 5 years, it may be never. -The most heated discussion and reports revolve around modern day vehicles, where source materials may still be classified, or is available but marked as export restricted. The developers are very inconsistent when it comes to which bug fixes the accept or refuse when it comes to modern vehicles. For example, there were multiple reports of the Abrams and Challenger tanks armor being weaker in game than they should be, these reports were declined by the developers despite the multitude of sources. And yet on another occasion, a player submitted a report on the T-90 missing it's spall liners, and they were added by developers with the only source provided being a youtube video. -The developers recently changed the bug reporting system so that once a bug report is submitted, only the bug report reviewers and the author of the bug report can see the documentation submitted; the lack of transparency leads to lack of trust, some believing some reports which get submitted may be approved and implemented based the personal biases and views of the developers or bug report reviewers --- So basically you have a playerbase of passionate players who like history and military vehicles, who go out of their way to perform the jobs of a historian to provide the correct information to the developers to correct historical inaccuracies in a game, only for their efforts to be disregarded due to arbitrary decision making of the developers or bug report reviewers, even if the compiled reports follow all guidelines.
wnevets 2y ago
> The game aims for realistic vehicle specifications, like armour thickness, penetration values etc. Yet the gameplay is very arcadey and not very realistic.
- Tiberium 2y ago
  Are you playing arcade or realistic battles? There's a huge difference between the two. And there are also simulator battles.

itronitron 2y ago

Sounds like this could inspire a simple test as to whether someone should have access to classified information, which would also positively indicate their more mature than a twelve year old.

CamperBob2 2y ago
[flagged]
- Ygg2 2y ago
  Who? Elon cheats at Path of Exile 2.
  - pengaru 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - Ygg2 2y ago
      Maybe I'm just from a culture that doesn't give much shit about honorifics. Or my tone is mocking. Disclaimer: I don't know Elon Musk, other than news articles, and geniunely don't care about him one way or the other.
rincebrain 2y ago
At least once, someone has reported online that they were asked if their friend played War Thunder when they were doing an interview to explore their friend's getting a clearance, so...
sandworm101 2y ago
There are also lots of people creating fake classified documents, and people in posession of "classified" stuff that has long ago been declassified. Those two groups, imho, outnumber all the people who leak actual info by 10x. (Remember too that having a clearance and having access are different things. Only a rare few have unfettered access to download/print/email to/from classified systems. Lots of gamers work at/for the NSA. That doesnt mean they can all browse the f35 flight manual over lunch.)
- rtkwe 2y ago
  There's a lot less security around that data than you'd think, there was the very recent saga of Jack Teixeira in the Air National Guard who was smuggling out tons of classified data to impress his friends on Discord just by taking documents out or sneaking his phone in to take pictures. There's a LOT of people with access to the data and it's partially on the honor system and the threat of massive jail time when you're caught to keep people from doing this all the time.

praptak 2y ago

"Don't ask questions, post some blatantly wrong answers on the internet. You'll have angry PhDs running to explain how you are wrong!"

unsupp0rted 2y ago
https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/nerd_sniping.png https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/nerd_sniping.png
- fragmede 2y ago
  356! https://xkcd.com/356/ https://xkcd.com/356/ if you link to the image directly, then you'll never learn the numbers. 356 is nerd sniping, 927 is standards, lucky 10,000 is 1053, load bearing is 2347, bobby tables is 327, research team is 1425...
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - reverendsteveii 2y ago
    I've been a dedicated geek and a firm believer that there's always an xkcd for every situation for quite a while but I don't think I'm at a place where I'm referring to comics by their number. Being said, I could imagine a comic about just this particular topic with cueball doing something that could be considered a reference then quietly giggling to himself while muttering "219" or w/e is the number of the appropriate comic.
    - fragmede 2y ago
      > I don't think I'm at a place where I'm referring to comics by their number. not with that attitude! 927 comes up often enough, and it's memorable because 3^2*100 + 3^3 , or Yoda's age - 900 + the 27 club of musicians who killed themselves so start there...
      - 2y ago

schainks 2y ago

Wow what a honeypot. Bet every government military loves this game to reverse engineer equipment.

raziel2701 2y ago

Wow so this is the "if you want a good answer from the internet post a wrong answer first" but escalated by a ton!! That's incredible!

intpx 2y ago
Ah yes. Dullingshires law
- jamesfinlayson 2y ago
  > Dullingshires law Never heard this and Google is just giving me a bunch of law firms.
  - lsecondario 2y ago
    Maybe you should find the real name and post it as a reply.
  - hluska 2y ago
    It’s part of a cheeky joke. There’s an adage that if you really need to find a correct answer, go online and confidently give the wrong answer. More people will jump on to tell you you’re wrong than would answer the question if you asked. That’s called Cunningham’s law. The joke (which is actually quite funny) is that GP gave the wrong name for it and proved it. It wasn’t clear and I understand the confusion but welcome into the joke, my friend. :)
- oddsockmachine 2y ago
  I think you mean Cunningham's Law...
  - Two4 2y ago
    Or maybe Cole's Law
  - muppetman 2y ago
    I always knew it as oddsockmachine's law.

robotnikman 2y ago

Going to hijack the top comment to provide my own observations as a player As a War Thunder player myself, here is some insights off the top of my head I can provide from the player base point of view, and as someone who has also submitted documentation to the devs to fix historical inaccuracies of some vehicles in the game... -Players can submit bug reports for vehicles, reporting incorrect characteristics, missing features etc. -In order to do so, players must research and compile documentation supporting their cases, from at least 2 primary sources. This means those devoted to such a report can spend hours or even days gathering material for their sources, sometimes going as far as digging through the historical archives of companies or countries for information --- Here's where problems start to arise: -The bug reports are overseen by a few volunteers who review the bug reports and decide what gets sent to the developers and what does not, who have a track record of arbitrarily choosing what gets passed to the developers for fixing, and what does not. So even a well made bug report with more than enough documents and source materials can be denied, and all the efforts of the reporter are in vain. -Even if a bug report gets passed to the developers, there is no timeline on when the missing features or inaccuracies of a vehicle will be fixed, and no communication from the developers whatsoever. It may be one month until its fixed, it may be 5 years, it may be never. -The most heated discussion and reports revolve around modern day vehicles, where source materials may still be classified, or is available but marked as export restricted. The developers are very inconsistent when it comes to which bug fixes the accept or refuse when it comes to modern vehicles. For example, there were multiple reports of the Abrams and Challenger tanks armor being weaker in game than they should be, these reports were declined by the developers despite the multitude of sources. And yet on another occasion, a player submitted a report on the T-90 missing it's spall liners, and they were added by developers with the only source provided being a youtube video. -The developers recently changed the bug reporting system so that once a bug report is submitted, only the bug report reviewers and the author of the bug report can see the documentation submitted; the lack of transparency leads to lack of trust, some believing some reports which get submitted may be approved and implemented based the personal biases and views of the developers or bug report reviewers --- So basically you have a playerbase of passionate players who like history and military vehicles, who go out of their way to perform the jobs of a historian to provide the correct information to the developers to correct historical inaccuracies in a game, only for their efforts to be disregarded due to arbitrary decision making of the developers or bug report reviewers, even if the compiled reports follow all guidelines.

wnevets 2y ago

> The game aims for realistic vehicle specifications, like armour thickness, penetration values etc. Yet the gameplay is very arcadey and not very realistic.

Tiberium 2y ago
Are you playing arcade or realistic battles? There's a huge difference between the two. And there are also simulator battles.