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That's great to hear. I remember Simone Giertz breaking out the bad news to her followers and sounding no less serious than when she was talking about her own b

by Tade0 2y ago

That's great to hear. I remember Simone Giertz breaking out the bad news to her followers and sounding no less serious than when she was talking about her own brain surgery. My former co-worker got COVID twice, as preventive measures didn't fit into his moral framework, and the second time resulted in a mild case of long COVID. I'm saying "mild" as he was not bedridden, but the cognitive decline was noticeable. Long COVID is no joke and seriously affect one's work as well private life.

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- looofooo0 2y ago
  Cannot speak for the person before, but I gave up on any protection. With 3 children from 3-10 it will catch me anyhow.
  - techcode 2y ago
    And while kids often end up with just headache and slight fever that goes away after a day - adults end with at least proper flu (e.g. higher fever, joints/muscle pain ...) for a week or two.
  - 2muchcoffeeman 2y ago
    The tragedy isn’t that we don’t wear masks routinely, it’s that people think they have a right to infect anyone because of their own sense of personal freedom. Immediately when restrictions ended here, you could be in a large department store or supermarket and hear people coughing badly, or sneezing. If you know you feel under the weather, pop on a mask. But no, “freedom”, “it’s a conspiracy”. I swear “freedom” is just short hand for “I’m an asshole”.
    - plagiarist 2y ago
      I don't get it. People just hop on public transit and will be coughing every ten seconds. It is a pleasant surprise if they even go as far as coughing into their elbow.
      - lolinder 2y ago
        This was always true before covid. Some of us reset our expectations during covid to expect people to be better than before, but many of us apparently didn't, which shouldn't be entirely surprising. It takes a long time to totally change a culture, and a lot of people were very happy to revert to the way things were before. Reverting back to the way things were when life was simpler doesn't make them bad people, it just makes them human.
- paulryanrogers 2y ago
  Not OP, but I still wear a mask on planes, wash my hands more often and more thoroughly, avoid touching my eyes, use more air filters, and don't share foods with my kids.
  - selykg 2y ago
    Same! Prior to the pandemic I almost always got sick post flight. I now wear a mask and take better precautions and all that and haven't been sick after being a lot more cautious about it. Frankly, worth it for me as I'd often end up miserable for weeks after a trip. Minor inconvenience of wearing a mask and being more aware of what I'm doing results in far less pain later.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    Yeah, I'm not paying for a week in the South Pacific to spend the whole time recovering from a cold.
exabrial 2y ago
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- thesuitonym 2y ago
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  - y-curious 2y ago
    This is literally the definition of victim-blaming: "Victim blaming occurs when the victim of a crime or any wrongful act is held entirely or partially at fault for the harm that befell them." Imagine if I said "She always wore low-cut dresses. Her lack of preventative measures caused her to get raped. She did it to herself!" Lots of people masking up still get COVID.
    - philipov 2y ago
      Getting sick with COVID isn't a crime or wrongful act. There is no perpetrator.
    - II2II 2y ago
      > Lots of people masking up still get COVID. Lots of people are careful while crossing the street, yet some of those careful people still get hit by cars. That doesn't mean that you stop being careful while crossing the street. As for the whole mask debate. I'm not sure how effective they were ate preventing people from catching COVID. After all, most people wore masks that were poorly fitting. I am fairly confident that it cut down on the amount of airborne COVID, or at least reduced exposure in face-to-face interactions. Unfortunately, most people only seemed to be concerned about the selfish angle and few people seemed to be concerned about the selfless angle.
      - philipov 2y ago
        If you're hit by a car, there is another party to the incident whose responsibility to avoid hitting people is at play. It is generally understood that a driver has a greater duty to avoid hitting people than people do to avoid getting hit. To wit, people have a right to not be hit by cars. It is a crime or wrongful act. Victim Blaming is a logical fallacy in which the responsibility for an incident is misattributed, sloughing blame from the more-responsible party to the less-responsible party. Catching a disease is not like being hit by a car, even by accident, because there is not a legal obligation to avoid infecting other people if you have a disease. If you catch covid, no crime has been committed. In fact, the presumption of duty is often reversed, except in exceptionally malicious circumstances. The responsibility for being accidentally infected usually lies with the one who failed to avoid it. Although, it is not unthinkable to expect people to have a legal duty to avoid infecting others, say, by wearing a mask... But if a person denies that idea, they can't at the same time claim it's not their responsibility that they got sick.
leandrod 2y ago
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- jf22 2y ago
  It's interesting to me how COVID vaccine skepticism has persisted so long despite the evidence the vaccine was safe and effective. All the nightmare scenarios and long-term side effects people speculated about never happened and more and more doses of the vaccine have been taken safely.
  - dev18019 2y ago
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    - autoexec 2y ago
      Most people are fully aware that any vaccine can, in rare cases, cause all kinds of problems. I haven't seen many instances of people acting like that isn't the case. The internet is a big place, and I don't doubt that you've felt silenced, but from what I've seen people are largely sympathetic to those who have experienced problems with the vaccines and are often quick to point out the fact that some percentage of the population not being able to take vaccines is exactly why it's so important that those who can take them get them. The folks I have seen shut down tend to be the ones who say that the vaccine did things like turning them "magnetic" or say that everyone should avoid the vaccine because the risks of the vaccine outweigh the risks of the disease. I guess I'm glad I'm not hanging out in places where people will attack or silence someone for trying to protect themself and others and being unlucky enough to have a bad reaction from it.
  - brandonmenc 2y ago
    A close family member has permanent heart failure caused by the first Covid booster. They now go to the top heart hospital in the world. The doctors there say that while nothing can be proven for certain - obviously - the timing of their booster and the onset of their heart symptoms and the fact that there was no indication they had Covid at the time all point to the high probability it was the vaccine. And they’ve seen this in other patients. The scary thing is that this person had symptoms of heart failure for months before going to the ER and if they hadn’t, would have probably just died in their sleep long after getting the shot and it would have been a mystery, chalked up to bad luck and age. Ironically, their current status with heart failure puts them in a high risk group and the recommendation is that they keep getting Covid boosters. The logic here is that the chances of getting another bad reaction from the vaccine is overruled by the chances they’d die from severe Covid. It’s not as cut and dry as people on either side of this debate want to make it.
ekianjo 2y ago
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- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
  Joining the current century and getting vaccinated perhaps?
  - cies 2y ago
    Joining the current century! Get an mRNA injection! Great PR.
  - rblatz 2y ago
    I was vaccinated and boosted, ended up catching covid 3x so far.
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      Now, hop in your time machine and do the A/B test.
      - superkuh 2y ago
        Intramuscular vaccinations do not significantly prevent infection of the upper respiratory immune compartment (mucosal IgA antibodies, not humoral covered by IgG). The efficiency against infection by sars-cov-2 is about 20%. That means 80% get infected. Now, the intramuscular injection vaccines do provide tissue resident B (+IgG antibodies) and T cells in the body serum (humoral, not mucosal) immune compartment and this has been proven to prevent serious (hospitalization) by covid-19 with decent (>50%) efficiency. These IgG antibodies do not seep into the upper respiratory (mucosal compartment) and provide protection there though; only the lower lungs. But infection? The only good mitigation, lacking a proper intranasal vaccine like India has, is wearing a well fit and sealed mask like an N95 with good practices.
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Suppafly 2y ago
>I'm saying "mild" as he was not bedridden, but the cognitive decline was noticeable. I've noticed some of that with family members that have gotten covid, but it's hard to say that it's definitely that as they are older and age related decline is hard to nail down too.
- Tade0 2y ago
  My co-worker reported general "brain fog" - very much like due to prolonged sleep deprivation. No false memories or loss of perception of time like in my older relatives going through age-related cognitive decline.
xupybd 2y ago
I've had COVID four times. No noticeable effects but I was triple vaxed. Also in NZ we didn't get COVID until it had gotten pretty mild.
- fennecbutt 2y ago
  Yeah cause people actually follow the rules. I was back in NZ from December 19 to like end of January 2020 and sw covid becoming a thing, back thru Bangkok and everyone's masked up, then to the UK again where people hadn't even heard anything about it ha ha. That was the times of the eerily orange daytime sky because of the Aussie fires. Lockdown here everyone and their Mum is screwing around at the park, UK does not really have an attitude of social good imo, outside of one's own family.

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bigolkevin 2y ago

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looofooo0 2y ago
Cannot speak for the person before, but I gave up on any protection. With 3 children from 3-10 it will catch me anyhow.
- techcode 2y ago
  And while kids often end up with just headache and slight fever that goes away after a day - adults end with at least proper flu (e.g. higher fever, joints/muscle pain ...) for a week or two.
- 2muchcoffeeman 2y ago
  The tragedy isn’t that we don’t wear masks routinely, it’s that people think they have a right to infect anyone because of their own sense of personal freedom. Immediately when restrictions ended here, you could be in a large department store or supermarket and hear people coughing badly, or sneezing. If you know you feel under the weather, pop on a mask. But no, “freedom”, “it’s a conspiracy”. I swear “freedom” is just short hand for “I’m an asshole”.
  - plagiarist 2y ago
    I don't get it. People just hop on public transit and will be coughing every ten seconds. It is a pleasant surprise if they even go as far as coughing into their elbow.
    - lolinder 2y ago
      This was always true before covid. Some of us reset our expectations during covid to expect people to be better than before, but many of us apparently didn't, which shouldn't be entirely surprising. It takes a long time to totally change a culture, and a lot of people were very happy to revert to the way things were before. Reverting back to the way things were when life was simpler doesn't make them bad people, it just makes them human.
paulryanrogers 2y ago
Not OP, but I still wear a mask on planes, wash my hands more often and more thoroughly, avoid touching my eyes, use more air filters, and don't share foods with my kids.
- selykg 2y ago
  Same! Prior to the pandemic I almost always got sick post flight. I now wear a mask and take better precautions and all that and haven't been sick after being a lot more cautious about it. Frankly, worth it for me as I'd often end up miserable for weeks after a trip. Minor inconvenience of wearing a mask and being more aware of what I'm doing results in far less pain later.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  Yeah, I'm not paying for a week in the South Pacific to spend the whole time recovering from a cold.

exabrial 2y ago

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thesuitonym 2y ago
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- y-curious 2y ago
  This is literally the definition of victim-blaming: "Victim blaming occurs when the victim of a crime or any wrongful act is held entirely or partially at fault for the harm that befell them." Imagine if I said "She always wore low-cut dresses. Her lack of preventative measures caused her to get raped. She did it to herself!" Lots of people masking up still get COVID.
  - philipov 2y ago
    Getting sick with COVID isn't a crime or wrongful act. There is no perpetrator.
  - II2II 2y ago
    > Lots of people masking up still get COVID. Lots of people are careful while crossing the street, yet some of those careful people still get hit by cars. That doesn't mean that you stop being careful while crossing the street. As for the whole mask debate. I'm not sure how effective they were ate preventing people from catching COVID. After all, most people wore masks that were poorly fitting. I am fairly confident that it cut down on the amount of airborne COVID, or at least reduced exposure in face-to-face interactions. Unfortunately, most people only seemed to be concerned about the selfish angle and few people seemed to be concerned about the selfless angle.
    - philipov 2y ago
      If you're hit by a car, there is another party to the incident whose responsibility to avoid hitting people is at play. It is generally understood that a driver has a greater duty to avoid hitting people than people do to avoid getting hit. To wit, people have a right to not be hit by cars. It is a crime or wrongful act. Victim Blaming is a logical fallacy in which the responsibility for an incident is misattributed, sloughing blame from the more-responsible party to the less-responsible party. Catching a disease is not like being hit by a car, even by accident, because there is not a legal obligation to avoid infecting other people if you have a disease. If you catch covid, no crime has been committed. In fact, the presumption of duty is often reversed, except in exceptionally malicious circumstances. The responsibility for being accidentally infected usually lies with the one who failed to avoid it. Although, it is not unthinkable to expect people to have a legal duty to avoid infecting others, say, by wearing a mask... But if a person denies that idea, they can't at the same time claim it's not their responsibility that they got sick.

leandrod 2y ago

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jf22 2y ago
It's interesting to me how COVID vaccine skepticism has persisted so long despite the evidence the vaccine was safe and effective. All the nightmare scenarios and long-term side effects people speculated about never happened and more and more doses of the vaccine have been taken safely.
- dev18019 2y ago
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  - dennis_jeeves2 2y ago
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  - autoexec 2y ago
    Most people are fully aware that any vaccine can, in rare cases, cause all kinds of problems. I haven't seen many instances of people acting like that isn't the case. The internet is a big place, and I don't doubt that you've felt silenced, but from what I've seen people are largely sympathetic to those who have experienced problems with the vaccines and are often quick to point out the fact that some percentage of the population not being able to take vaccines is exactly why it's so important that those who can take them get them. The folks I have seen shut down tend to be the ones who say that the vaccine did things like turning them "magnetic" or say that everyone should avoid the vaccine because the risks of the vaccine outweigh the risks of the disease. I guess I'm glad I'm not hanging out in places where people will attack or silence someone for trying to protect themself and others and being unlucky enough to have a bad reaction from it.
- brandonmenc 2y ago
  A close family member has permanent heart failure caused by the first Covid booster. They now go to the top heart hospital in the world. The doctors there say that while nothing can be proven for certain - obviously - the timing of their booster and the onset of their heart symptoms and the fact that there was no indication they had Covid at the time all point to the high probability it was the vaccine. And they’ve seen this in other patients. The scary thing is that this person had symptoms of heart failure for months before going to the ER and if they hadn’t, would have probably just died in their sleep long after getting the shot and it would have been a mystery, chalked up to bad luck and age. Ironically, their current status with heart failure puts them in a high risk group and the recommendation is that they keep getting Covid boosters. The logic here is that the chances of getting another bad reaction from the vaccine is overruled by the chances they’d die from severe Covid. It’s not as cut and dry as people on either side of this debate want to make it.

ekianjo 2y ago

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2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
Joining the current century and getting vaccinated perhaps?
- cies 2y ago
  Joining the current century! Get an mRNA injection! Great PR.
- rblatz 2y ago
  I was vaccinated and boosted, ended up catching covid 3x so far.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    Now, hop in your time machine and do the A/B test.
    - superkuh 2y ago
      Intramuscular vaccinations do not significantly prevent infection of the upper respiratory immune compartment (mucosal IgA antibodies, not humoral covered by IgG). The efficiency against infection by sars-cov-2 is about 20%. That means 80% get infected. Now, the intramuscular injection vaccines do provide tissue resident B (+IgG antibodies) and T cells in the body serum (humoral, not mucosal) immune compartment and this has been proven to prevent serious (hospitalization) by covid-19 with decent (>50%) efficiency. These IgG antibodies do not seep into the upper respiratory (mucosal compartment) and provide protection there though; only the lower lungs. But infection? The only good mitigation, lacking a proper intranasal vaccine like India has, is wearing a well fit and sealed mask like an N95 with good practices.
      - ceejayoz 2y ago

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Suppafly 2y ago

>I'm saying "mild" as he was not bedridden, but the cognitive decline was noticeable. I've noticed some of that with family members that have gotten covid, but it's hard to say that it's definitely that as they are older and age related decline is hard to nail down too.

Tade0 2y ago
My co-worker reported general "brain fog" - very much like due to prolonged sleep deprivation. No false memories or loss of perception of time like in my older relatives going through age-related cognitive decline.

xupybd 2y ago

I've had COVID four times. No noticeable effects but I was triple vaxed. Also in NZ we didn't get COVID until it had gotten pretty mild.

fennecbutt 2y ago
Yeah cause people actually follow the rules. I was back in NZ from December 19 to like end of January 2020 and sw covid becoming a thing, back thru Bangkok and everyone's masked up, then to the UK again where people hadn't even heard anything about it ha ha. That was the times of the eerily orange daytime sky because of the Aussie fires. Lockdown here everyone and their Mum is screwing around at the park, UK does not really have an attitude of social good imo, outside of one's own family.