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This seems extremely niche. Maybe even petty? Why do you care where the taskbar is? Remember that every change breaks someone's workflow: https://xkcd.com/1172/

This seems extremely niche. Maybe even petty? Why do you care where the taskbar is? Remember that every change breaks someone's workflow: https://xkcd.com/1172/ https://xkcd.com/1172/

Kinrany 2y ago
Because they're used to it being in a different place?
- ogogmad 2y ago
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  - dpassens 2y ago
    Calling someone petty for wanting to keep the workflow they're used to hardly seems good-faith to me.
  - buildsjets 2y ago
    Your question was not asked in good faith, it was a troll.
- deleted 2y ago
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- Yeul 2y ago
  Man I'm old. I've been using Windows since 98. I can't stand it when MS designers change shit. Luckily I'm not the only one and there are many tools to pretty much keep Windows stuck in time.
sensanaty 2y ago
It's been a feature of Windows for a decade+, why on earth would they remove it? I've had mine aligned to the top of the screen for as long as I can remember, and there's even 3rd party tools that restore this basic ass behavior in Win11 (not that I'll ever use that bloatware willingly again). M$ has no excuse, other than them being a completely incompetent entity of course.
- ogogmad 2y ago
  But can you explain why this feature is/was so important? The fact that there are 3rd party tools that can restore it makes it even more marginal. There are gazillions of UI changes in every app we use, it seems strange that this very marginal one should get someone up in arms. > M$ has no excuse, other than them being a completely incompetent entity of course. No, it's because "M$" doesn't think it's an important feature. There's no incompetence. Do you actually believe what you said? Is this some form of OCD or hypersensitivity? Because I struggle to understand the type of mind that cares at all about this. And how do such people go through life, especially working in software, where things change constantly?
  - sensanaty 2y ago
    Do you actually not understand why customization is something people want out of the operating system they use for upwards of 8+ hours a day, every single day? Should we disallow changing background images? Should we let people set color accents as they can right now? Should we even let them choose where they want their desktop icons to be, or which desktop icons they can have there? Or should we disable choosing which applications can be locked in the taskbar? Are all of these equally incomprehensible as the choice of where the giant-ass taskbar that permanently fills up a non-negligible percentage of your screen real estate sits to you? Would you also defend any of the above? Also, this has been a feature since the XP days, people have built muscle memories around it, and then for literally no reason M$ decides to remove it, requiring 3rd party devs to do their job for them and restore this basic functionality that has been there forever. > There are gazillions of UI changes in every app we use And this is a good thing to you somehow? I don't want my OS switching up on me at random every day of the week, I want to login the next day and have everything be where I last placed it, not have some troglodyte PM at M$ trying to suckle on the promotional teet decide where my icons go for me. > "M$" Are you perhaps one of the aforementioned troglodyte PMs over there? I've noticed that M$ employees get pretty bothered about that little dollar sign in the name.
    - ogogmad 2y ago
      I don't work as a PM or for Microsoft. Perhaps the problem is a deeper one, which is constant and likely unnecessary UI makeovers. But among the endless blizzard of these, this is an odd one to make your last stand for. More to the point, onto: > Do you actually not understand why customization is something people want out of the operating system they use for upwards of 8+ hours a day, every single day? All the examples you listed are much more significant IMO than whether the taskbar goes to the bottom or top of the screen. I imagine that MS would be less likely to remove those features. > M$ decides to remove it, requiring 3rd party devs to do their job for them But why isn't that the end of the issue then? The feature can be fully restored.
vasac 2y ago
Apparently, it isn't that rare, as I too used to place the taskbar at the top of the screen (I switched to Mac 10 years ago). I simply wanted the taskbar to be near the menu bar so I wouldn't have to move the mouse more than necessary - that was the first thing I customized when installing Windows.
edm0nd 2y ago
A comment like this tells me you are a child and ignorant.

This seems extremely niche. Maybe even petty? Why do you care where the taskbar is? Remember that every change breaks someone's workflow: https://xkcd.com/1172/ https://xkcd.com/1172/

Kinrany 2y ago

Because they're used to it being in a different place?

ogogmad 2y ago
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- dpassens 2y ago
  Calling someone petty for wanting to keep the workflow they're used to hardly seems good-faith to me.
- buildsjets 2y ago
  Your question was not asked in good faith, it was a troll.
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Yeul 2y ago
Man I'm old. I've been using Windows since 98. I can't stand it when MS designers change shit. Luckily I'm not the only one and there are many tools to pretty much keep Windows stuck in time.

sensanaty 2y ago

It's been a feature of Windows for a decade+, why on earth would they remove it? I've had mine aligned to the top of the screen for as long as I can remember, and there's even 3rd party tools that restore this basic ass behavior in Win11 (not that I'll ever use that bloatware willingly again). M$ has no excuse, other than them being a completely incompetent entity of course.

ogogmad 2y ago
But can you explain why this feature is/was so important? The fact that there are 3rd party tools that can restore it makes it even more marginal. There are gazillions of UI changes in every app we use, it seems strange that this very marginal one should get someone up in arms. > M$ has no excuse, other than them being a completely incompetent entity of course. No, it's because "M$" doesn't think it's an important feature. There's no incompetence. Do you actually believe what you said? Is this some form of OCD or hypersensitivity? Because I struggle to understand the type of mind that cares at all about this. And how do such people go through life, especially working in software, where things change constantly?
- sensanaty 2y ago
  Do you actually not understand why customization is something people want out of the operating system they use for upwards of 8+ hours a day, every single day? Should we disallow changing background images? Should we let people set color accents as they can right now? Should we even let them choose where they want their desktop icons to be, or which desktop icons they can have there? Or should we disable choosing which applications can be locked in the taskbar? Are all of these equally incomprehensible as the choice of where the giant-ass taskbar that permanently fills up a non-negligible percentage of your screen real estate sits to you? Would you also defend any of the above? Also, this has been a feature since the XP days, people have built muscle memories around it, and then for literally no reason M$ decides to remove it, requiring 3rd party devs to do their job for them and restore this basic functionality that has been there forever. > There are gazillions of UI changes in every app we use And this is a good thing to you somehow? I don't want my OS switching up on me at random every day of the week, I want to login the next day and have everything be where I last placed it, not have some troglodyte PM at M$ trying to suckle on the promotional teet decide where my icons go for me. > "M$" Are you perhaps one of the aforementioned troglodyte PMs over there? I've noticed that M$ employees get pretty bothered about that little dollar sign in the name.
  - ogogmad 2y ago
    I don't work as a PM or for Microsoft. Perhaps the problem is a deeper one, which is constant and likely unnecessary UI makeovers. But among the endless blizzard of these, this is an odd one to make your last stand for. More to the point, onto: > Do you actually not understand why customization is something people want out of the operating system they use for upwards of 8+ hours a day, every single day? All the examples you listed are much more significant IMO than whether the taskbar goes to the bottom or top of the screen. I imagine that MS would be less likely to remove those features. > M$ decides to remove it, requiring 3rd party devs to do their job for them But why isn't that the end of the issue then? The feature can be fully restored.

vasac 2y ago

Apparently, it isn't that rare, as I too used to place the taskbar at the top of the screen (I switched to Mac 10 years ago). I simply wanted the taskbar to be near the menu bar so I wouldn't have to move the mouse more than necessary - that was the first thing I customized when installing Windows.

edm0nd 2y ago

A comment like this tells me you are a child and ignorant.