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>I feel like Microsoft's whole thing with Windows 11 has been "just force the users to do what we want them to do, we know better than they do" My biggest grip

by edm0nd 2y ago

>I feel like Microsoft's whole thing with Windows 11 has been "just force the users to do what we want them to do, we know better than they do" My biggest gripe about Win11 is they stole from us the ability to move the task bar. It can ONLY be pinned to the bottom of the screen now. For the longest time, I was a top of the screen taskbar user. From what I've read, they have no plans to implement or change this "feature".

jachee 2y ago
That and the fact that it will brick my $600 HP Reverb G2 headset are two reasons that I will never ever “upgrade” to Win11.
- cudgy 2y ago
  Microsoft not the only one.Mac OS upgrades effectively brick their own hardware. I’ve got a beautiful 27 inch iMac with a retina screen 5k … unusable now on last 2 OS updates.
  - jachee 2y ago
    Unusable? I still use my 27” 2011 iMac. Other than performing like a 14-year-old computer, it still does everything it ever could.
    - cudgy 2y ago
      Except develop apps for the Apple platform. Or use any of the new features of the Apple macOS. Or soon receive any security updates.
      - LeFantome 2y ago
        Well, unless you use LegacyPatcher of course.
        cudgy 2y ago
        Cool project. Thanks for posting. I may look into it to breathe life into my beautiful old iMac. Are you using it for your old macs? Of course, it’s not perfect but what is. https://github.com/dortania/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/releases/tag/2.2.0 https://github.com/dortania/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/releases... “As to be expected, macOS Sequoia support is still in active development. This is a community-driven project, and as such we ask users to keep expectations in check and use older OSes if you encounter issues that affect you.”
ogogmad 2y ago
This seems extremely niche. Maybe even petty? Why do you care where the taskbar is? Remember that every change breaks someone's workflow: https://xkcd.com/1172/ https://xkcd.com/1172/
- Kinrany 2y ago
  Because they're used to it being in a different place?
  - ogogmad 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - dpassens 2y ago
      Calling someone petty for wanting to keep the workflow they're used to hardly seems good-faith to me.
    - buildsjets 2y ago
      Your question was not asked in good faith, it was a troll.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - Yeul 2y ago
    Man I'm old. I've been using Windows since 98. I can't stand it when MS designers change shit. Luckily I'm not the only one and there are many tools to pretty much keep Windows stuck in time.
- sensanaty 2y ago
  It's been a feature of Windows for a decade+, why on earth would they remove it? I've had mine aligned to the top of the screen for as long as I can remember, and there's even 3rd party tools that restore this basic ass behavior in Win11 (not that I'll ever use that bloatware willingly again). M$ has no excuse, other than them being a completely incompetent entity of course.
otikik 2y ago
Easier to implement ads on it if you can't move it.
qiine 2y ago
really we are that low now ?
ambigious7777 2y ago
It's possible to do it using [ExplorerPatcher] I think, but it's not officially supported. [ExplorerPatcher]: https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher
IIsi50MHz 2y ago
Perhaps, after decades of application bugs caused by developers not properly accounting for taskbar position and size, random ordinary users being distressed by accident'ly moving or resizing the taskbar and unable to get it back (leaving aside savvy users), Microsoft have given up? I seem to recall various articles on this over the years, including on Raymond Chen's "The Old New Thing". Mild example: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20040513-00/?p=39353 https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20040513-00/?p=39...

by edm0nd 2y ago

jachee 2y ago

That and the fact that it will brick my $600 HP Reverb G2 headset are two reasons that I will never ever “upgrade” to Win11.

cudgy 2y ago
Microsoft not the only one.Mac OS upgrades effectively brick their own hardware. I’ve got a beautiful 27 inch iMac with a retina screen 5k … unusable now on last 2 OS updates.
- jachee 2y ago
  Unusable? I still use my 27” 2011 iMac. Other than performing like a 14-year-old computer, it still does everything it ever could.
  - cudgy 2y ago
    Except develop apps for the Apple platform. Or use any of the new features of the Apple macOS. Or soon receive any security updates.
    - LeFantome 2y ago
      Well, unless you use LegacyPatcher of course.
      - cudgy 2y ago
        Cool project. Thanks for posting. I may look into it to breathe life into my beautiful old iMac. Are you using it for your old macs? Of course, it’s not perfect but what is. https://github.com/dortania/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/releases/tag/2.2.0 https://github.com/dortania/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/releases... “As to be expected, macOS Sequoia support is still in active development. This is a community-driven project, and as such we ask users to keep expectations in check and use older OSes if you encounter issues that affect you.”

ogogmad 2y ago

This seems extremely niche. Maybe even petty? Why do you care where the taskbar is? Remember that every change breaks someone's workflow: https://xkcd.com/1172/ https://xkcd.com/1172/

Kinrany 2y ago
Because they're used to it being in a different place?
- ogogmad 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - dpassens 2y ago
    Calling someone petty for wanting to keep the workflow they're used to hardly seems good-faith to me.
  - buildsjets 2y ago
    Your question was not asked in good faith, it was a troll.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- Yeul 2y ago
  Man I'm old. I've been using Windows since 98. I can't stand it when MS designers change shit. Luckily I'm not the only one and there are many tools to pretty much keep Windows stuck in time.
sensanaty 2y ago
It's been a feature of Windows for a decade+, why on earth would they remove it? I've had mine aligned to the top of the screen for as long as I can remember, and there's even 3rd party tools that restore this basic ass behavior in Win11 (not that I'll ever use that bloatware willingly again). M$ has no excuse, other than them being a completely incompetent entity of course.

otikik 2y ago

Easier to implement ads on it if you can't move it.

qiine 2y ago

really we are that low now ?

ambigious7777 2y ago

It's possible to do it using [ExplorerPatcher] I think, but it's not officially supported. [ExplorerPatcher]: https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher

IIsi50MHz 2y ago

Perhaps, after decades of application bugs caused by developers not properly accounting for taskbar position and size, random ordinary users being distressed by accident'ly moving or resizing the taskbar and unable to get it back (leaving aside savvy users), Microsoft have given up? I seem to recall various articles on this over the years, including on Raymond Chen's "The Old New Thing". Mild example: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20040513-00/?p=39353 https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20040513-00/?p=39...