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Mass deportations would deliver a catastrophic blow to the U.S. Economy
- ziknard 2y agoSounds like it would be fantastic for the kind of degrowth we need to do to begin to save the planet. Seven point four percent reduction in GDP? An excellent start!
- delichon 2y agoThat would hurt the poorest most. Is that a sacrifice you're willing to make?
- palmfacehn 2y agoI assume he was parodying the Malthusian left in an attempt to illustrate hypocrisy.
- msla 2y agoDo the Republicans want us to be having this discussion? Will there be repercussions?
- mcphage 2y agoI don’t think Trump made any campaign promises that wouldn’t deliver a catastrophic blow to the US economy. That was his entire campaign.
- steveBK123 2y agoPretty much his whole campaign was that inflation was bad, and also here's a bunch of stuff I'm gonna do (which will make inflation worse). Mass deportations (reduces low wage services workforce), tariffs (tax on imports), taking Fed independence away so he could cut rates fast & furiously (the fuel that feeds every inflation wave), etc.
- le-mark 2y agoThe wave of propaganda via conservative media was total and complete. I believe there is a lot of foreign money involved. I hope other democratic countries have taken note.
- sympil 2y agoYes. And it was done so cheaply. It is now easy a relatively cheap to sway public opinion. The concentration of social media in a few company’s hands means that large amounts of regulation are needed.
- mostlysimilar 2y agoNot just conservative media. All media is captured by these oligarchs now. The real consequences will not be reported and will not be shared through social media. It's time to start building resilient in-person connections if you don't yet have them. The state has captured all digital communication.
- steveBK123 2y agoI think everyone here is overestimating voters. Inflation was higher than it has been in recent history (ex COVID spike). This already defaults people into "kick the bums out" mode. Trump is rhetorically gifted and was able to latch onto the topic even if his solutions will only worsen it. Don't assume malice and conspiracy where incompetence and laziness suffice.
- bdangubic 2y agoderegulation is ways great for the economy
- mcphage 2y agoIn the short term, sure. In the longer term… have you met 2008?
- bdangubic 2y agosee my comment above... you are right but there is no longer term in politics, especially in today's day and age...
- mcphage 2y ago> you are right but there is no longer term in politics, especially in today's day and age Unfortunately, I still have enough years left in me, that I'm gonna be here for the long haul. The stock market exploding due to deregulation, and then in 10 years the entire economy imploding because of it, just means that I'm going to have to live through the economy imploding again.
- bdangubic 2y agoI do not disagree, however my entire comment was on: I don’t think Trump made any campaign promises that wouldn’t deliver a catastrophic blow to the US economy I think deregulation will help the economy for sure. we can only speculate about the 10-year effects of such decisions
- mcphage 2y ago> we can only speculate about the 10-year effects of such decisions I feel like I've been around long enough that I don't need to speculate on the long term effects of deregulation. We've seen the same things happen over and over.
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- LinuxBender 2y agoI believe the emphasis should have been fixing the immigration process and in parallel removing all the violent illegal immigrants whilst leaving the working and tax paying illegal immigrants alone. Less damage to the worker base and less damage to society and giving companies a grace period to get into compliance. Companies should be given a way to help expedite the background check process and take responsibility for the employees.
- verdverm 2y agoFixing the immigration process means losing the biggest, campaign winning issue Donold is also not known or building consensus and finding middle ground. These are at the core of legislating for a diverse country.
- bdangubic 2y agohe won’t get very much through congress in the 2nd term either. the EOs are like a one-night stand, everyone who disagrees with him is all up in arms about but everything he stroked the pen on will be erased in a day in 2029 - not that he gives a shit about that, he’ll probably he a trillionaire by the time he leaves office and that’s the only thing he cares about :)
- verdverm 2y agoI think the prospects of a US recession, or global if a fight over Taiwan blows up, more likely than there being any trillionaires in the next four years
- throwaway48476 2y agoWhy does no one care about wages?
- amarcheschi 2y agoOh, the guys he was sponsored by do care about wages, as in having to pay as low as possible
- palmfacehn 2y agoWages and the purchasing power of those wages are downstream from productivity.
- ChrisNorstrom 2y agoThis needs to be done VERY slowly over a long period of time. Any fast solutions will result in massive economic problems because the economy doesn't have enough time to adjust. Violent criminals can be deported immediately, those on welfare should be next (but given enough time so they can at least save up money and not end up homeless when they reach their original country), then those not working should be deported, then lastely those working should be given a chance to self deport or promise a self deportation timeframe. Mass deportations of this scale 20-30 million people should be done over the course of a decade at the minimum. I'm against illegal immigration but also against crashing the economy or dumping our illegal immigrants back in their home country without a plan or safety net.
- palmfacehn 2y agoIdeally there would be reform of the legal immigration process as well. The US has supported UN NGOs which incentivize quasi-legal migration. Migrants claiming asylum have been coached through the process and subsidized. Meanwhile the backlog for processing is untenable. What else can be expected under this scenario? Of course these alleged asylum seekers will find work. The process should be streamlined for legitimate asylum claims and legal immigration. Applicants of any type shouldn't wait months or sometimes years. The process shouldn't require lawyers or byzantine procedures. It looks bad when the government is subsidizing individuals who arguably abuse the system. Those who wish to abide by the rules are put through an expensive, kafakesque bureaucracy. The absolute worst are the individuals who prey upon the migrants and exploit women and children in the process. Mass deportations are not the ideal solution, but the current incentive structure has created a horrible situation.
- buddavis_ 2y agoGoogling for statistics was difficult. Lots of month to month 'headlines', but the averages were difficult to determine. Highly variable. Best I can come up with is last year 250,000 non citizens were removed from the US. (deported? i think that is the word). This excludes those turned away at the border, or not allowed in after contact with a border agent (not an expert, this is inferred by reading a couple of pages). 685 per day, every day. Take 30 million eligible. That would take about 120 years. Even doing it over 10 years would require increasing the current effort by a factor of 12. No way the government can expand enough, and allocate enough resources to make that happen. Double or triple the current pace, maybe. It is going to take a long time. (personal opinion: criminals, send them back. immigrants committing fraud, send them back. people working and being part of society, make them a pathway to citizenship or legal residence. close the border to un monitored crossings)
- amarcheschi 2y agoI know this comment can't be used to evaluate the policy of the new president as a whole, but I can't help but find ironic that after his inauguration day egg futures went up by 7% https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/eggs-us https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/eggs-us
- joshstrange 2y agoI’m sure large corporations would be affected as well but you cannot walk into a kitchen of an almost any size business that does not have undocumented people working in it. This would absolutely slaughter small businesses in the restaurant/food space. And while larger businesses would be hurt as well, I worry that they would be able to weather it and come out as the only game in town (or competing with a lot fewer people) afterwards.
- joshstrange 2y agoI'm interested in the downvotes. Do you disagree that undocumented people are working in many/most kitchens across the US? Does that fact just make you uncomfortable? Do you think that deporting them would suddenly cause a surge in qualified people to replace them (it won't)? Do you think that restaurants could handle this without issue? I have friends and family in the restaurant business so I'd love to hear other viewpoints but downvotes for what is a pretty solid fact just strikes me as odd.
- ajaisbshskan 2y agoThere would be short term pain yes. This is an unfortunate consequence of parasitic leadership ruling for so long. However, pushing that can down the road does not make things better. Ideally we’d reclaim some of their unfathomable wealth to ease the pain. Immigration is used by both sides to depress American wages. The left pushes for illegal immigrants which drives down blue collar wages. The right pushes for legal (but still exploitable) H1-Bs, etc. to drive down white collar wages. In both cases American workers suffer. What is the point of country? As it operates today, America’s point is to increase the wealth gap between the rich (who hold US dollars but might not be citizens) and poor Americans. I believe it should be to decrease that gap. And no matter how you pitch it, mass immigration only depresses standard of living for locals (O1 von braun kind of immigrants are good, but they’re truly exceptional cases).
- mostlysimilar 2y ago> This is an unfortunate consequence of parasitic leadership ruling for so long. The new parasites will be far worse than the old ones, buddy. You're chatting on a forum full of software engineers. Nobody here has their wages depressed by immigrants. Our wages are getting depressed by offshoring, you think the new leaders will have anything to say about that? You think Musk, Bezos, and Zuckerberg are interested in paying their workers more?
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- cies 2y agoImmigration helps business owners: the price of labor goes down. If the advantage they get from it also "tickles down" to the general public (most voters, pre-existing laborers) depends. If wages stay low due to immigration that may be considered a bad thing, if goods are cheaper that may be a good thing, and more trade ("better economy") is super important! /s Most people that live in healthy communities do not like a large influx of newcomers into their communities: they prefer to keep it the way it was. This is why I believe voters vote against immigration. So on one hand the general public is against, on the other hand the business owners are in favor. Let's see how this pans out. Usually political parties are more strongly against (illegal) immigration when rallying, and more in favor of it when they are in power.
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