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None of this is necessary, that's the point.
by arcticbull 2y ago
None of this is necessary, that's the point.
- crooked-v 2y agoOr to put it another way, "The cruelty is the point."
- doomroot13 2y agoI think arcticbull is saying NIH is not necessary, essentially in favor of the freezes.
- arcticbull 2y agoI am not in favor of shuttering one of the agencies responsible for public health, although I can see why my comment could be read either way. If you believe in reform there are compassionate ways to do it.
- tptacek 2y agoCDC probably does more public health? The work NIH funds through its grant process is not broadly "public health"; it's virtually all American biotechnology research and bio/biochem basic research. Public health deals with the interface of health knowledge and public policy and communication; people credentialed in public health are not, generally, practicing scientists as we'd think about them. NIH grant researchers, on the other hand, are wearing white lab coats and working with fume hoods.
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- dekhn 2y agoNo, HHS does the vast majority of public health research in the US, which includes both CDC and NIH. The CDC budget is roughly a quarter of the NIH budget; most public health research is NIH-funded. The CDC is more operational- they take what is learned and apply it to prevention and treatment.
- tptacek 2y agoIt may in fact be the case that more HHS-funded public health work is downstream of NIH than of CDC, but NIH is obviously not primarily a public health organization; here's the most recent RePORT data: https://tinyurl.com/nih-grant-report https://tinyurl.com/nih-grant-report
- pseudalopex 2y ago> NIH is obviously not primarily a public health organization They didn't say it was. Or did they edit?
- khazhoux 2y agoPeople love that line, but is it true? The premise of this freeze --agree or not-- is that the U.S. Government spends too much. Or are you suggesting that this is to get back at NIH because of Fauci? Or, are you saying that Republicans hate cancer research, or...?
- doctoboggan 2y ago> Or are you suggesting that this is to get back at NIH because of Fauci? Yes, I believe thats a main driver for why this administration does not like the NIH
- Ar-Curunir 2y agoIf you still believe the republican have principles that they actually believe in, I have a bridge to sell you
- moshun 2y agoConsidering we had over a hundred million Americans fall ill to a global pandemic that ended barely two years ago, one might conclude that the only reason to hobble the groups that are intended to fight such outbreaks (among many other tasks) would be a poor decision. In fact, one could conclude based on the literal rhetoric from the President and members of his staff, that it’s out of sheer spite. Which itself is amazing, considering that he was in charge while it happened.
- monero-xmr 2y agoThe scientific establishment has had 2 major crises recently - the replication crisis, and the totally insane unscientific and politicized handling of COVID. Additionally there is undeniably a lot of waste, nepotism / back scratching, and completely ludicrous funded social “science”. While what’s happening now may wind up bad, I have seen very little push from the establishment itself to do anything to restore public faith in the current system. Trump is the executioner, but the conviction was handed down before he came around. @dang why is this flagged?
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- madhadron 2y agoHere speaks someone with no scientific training or knowledge of the NIH, public health, or how any of it operates.
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- llamaimperative 2y agowhat? I cannot even parse this argument.
- redcobra762 2y agoCan you elaborate on "years of failure"?
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- tptacek 2y agoThe replication crisis stuff is mostly a message board fixation. The problem we have is that people unfamiliar with the field don't have a sense of what the denominator is, only the numerator. There is a truly gargantuan amount of NIH-funded research happening; NIH funds over 30,000 PIs per year, and those grants cover years worth of research, most of which involve teams of 5-10 people. I'm not saying research fraud doesn't matter or isn't worth the stories written about it. I'm saying that people commenting on it generally don't have any sense of its scale, and fill in some very weird blanks about it.
- zzzeek 2y agoThe point is to create chaos and panic so that , after a sufficient period of general suffering, the government can come back with a "solution to the problem" which is typically some vastly inferior approach with heavy privatization and corruption built in, but as the stakeholders are desperate for relief they have no choice but to accept. This is how you tear the government down and replace it with corrupt oligarchic interests
- philipov 2y agoNow let's go break some windows!
- CuriouslyC 2y agoJoke's on them, they're just going to hasten a revolution.
- idle_zealot 2y agoThat's why they're partnering with Oracle and AI companies to build datacenters to pull in and automatically analyze all available private and public video feeds and communications to monitor for potential violent action. China got there first, the US will rapidly roll out the same playbook but painted with liberal terminology. It's not about harmony here, it's about freedom and protecting ourselves from terrorists and the radical left.
- pseudalopex 2y ago> That's why they're partnering with Oracle and AI companies to build datacenters to pull in and automatically analyze all available private and public video feeds and communications to monitor for potential violent action. Larry Ellison said it on record if anyone doubts it. "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that's going on."[1] [1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/09/omnipresent-ai-cameras-will-ensure-good-behavior-says-larry-ellison/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/09/omnip...
- johnnyanmac 2y ago>Officials have also ordered a communications pause, a freeze on hiring, and an indefinite ban on travel. I thought trump was bringing American jobs back? So far he's impacted thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands of jobs in 2 days, and hasn't even made a plan for how to get americans hired. (yes, a miniscule piece of me is enjoying how fast the Schedenfreude came. But still, I do mostly want to focus on fixing the country over pointing fingers).
- chii 2y agopeople who voted for trump is not going to change their mind based on evidence. They're essentially voting on faith, it's almost like a religion.
- tayo42 2y agoI guess there's hope for the tens of thousands that decided to sit out this time too.
- sebazzz 2y agoIf that is the case, is there any way back from Trumpism to the "normal" Republican party from the era of Bush?
- vkou 2y agoShort of civil war, nuclear war, or a twenty-point election blow-out, no.
- ChicagoDave 2y agoTrump just pardoned the core of an army of thugs that will be legally allowed to stow election chaos in every swing district in the country. Watch. In the mid-terms there will be violence. Then possibly martial law. Then the end of our constitution. Then Trump will have us all spying on each other to see who's loyal and people will just get murdered without consequence. He will do everything in his power to become a dictator.
- kurthr 2y agoYeah, sounds right. Let's list the unnecessary drug treatments funded directly by NIH. The treatment of HIV with AZT and other HAART drugs. AIDS is caused by "poppers" not HIV, duh! Treatment of breast cancer and Myeloid Leukemia and with Herceptin and Imatinib. Fake cancers! Vaccines for HPV and Corona viruses are useless, because horse de-wormers treat both! Also, they're not real because COVID and cervical cancer are harmless. It's time to stop the insanity and realize that jade eggs in your bum are the real solution. Other useless drugs funded by NIH: Depo-Provera, Taxol, L-DOPA, Propranolol, Tagamet, Embrel, Tamoxifen, Cyclosporin, Warfarin, Methotrexate, Hydrocortisone.
- travisporter 2y agoTruly sad that I believed you were being genuine for a second
- groovy2shoes 2y agoPoe's Law strikes again.
- kurthr 2y agoSee, there's my mistake. You could tell. I'll try harder to appear genuine.
- tptacek 2y agoThey weren't saying the NIH was unnecessary, but since that thread got flagged, it's not easy to see their clarification.
- UltraSane 2y agoIt is a exercise of power for the sake of power. The pointlessness of it is the point.