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The irony of trying to read this article and being assaulted by cookie warnings and ad popups that appear while scrolling is not lost on me.

ramon156 2y ago
Sadly they have no control over the cookie warnings
- globular-toast 2y ago
  Of course they do. They aren't forced to use cookies that require user consent.
- lm28469 2y ago
  Out of the four categories they show only one needs consent: targeted ads, the others can be fully anonymous. The "essential cookies" can't be disabled, the "analytics" can be fully anonymous, the "personalisation" can be fully anonymous.
- GJim 2y ago
  Ummmmm If they didn't have ads that track me, then they would have no need to ask my permission to use cookies that track me. There is no requirement so seek permission for other cookies needed to run the website. Quite why some readers of a technical news site (!) are still confused about this is bizzare. In short, blame the scummy adtech industry. Not the legislation that gives us our privacy.
- AdamN 2y ago
  People say that but it's not really true. If they just have 1P cookies for basic functionality (login), then I believe there can be a discreet notice at the bottom informing the user of that fact. Groups like IEEE should be the ones pioneering those patterns.
  - lowercased 2y ago
    Not even sure you need any discreet notice about anything for strictly necessary first party cookies. That's my understanding of GDPR, at any rate.
    - martin_a 2y ago
      That's true. Strictly technically necessary cookies do not need consent or even information with a banner. Guess it's nice to know, but probably not legally necessary.
      - high_na_euv 2y ago
        >Guess it's nice to know It isnt, why should I care?
      - recursive 2y ago
        Your user agent has different, more reliable ways of informing you of this.
    - arkh 2y ago
      You don't HAVE TO have a cookie banner for cookies which don't require consent. Cookies not requiring consent : - "technical" cookies: for session, saving some user preferences (consenting to cookies or not, language etc.) - cookies used for load balancing or to protect against fraud - cookies used to save a cart or used to invoice some service - usage statistics cookies IF the data is anonymous Also, the law is about trackers, not specifically cookies: so data in local and session storage are concerned as does browser fingerprinting.
      - daveguy 2y ago
        But it's so much more effective to pretend like there are onerous requirements imposed by governments that interfere with the user experience. See: TikTok's early and unnecessary self-imposed, location-based shutdown with a pop-up message blaming the big bad government. Bonus points for ass kissing the easily manipulated current administration.
- master-lincoln 2y ago
  You have been brainwashed successfully
  - missinglugnut 2y ago
    Totally unnecessary personal attack there. My take: if a law and it's enforcement almost universally lead to a worse outcome, the burden is on the lawmakers and enforcers to do better. You can yell about the websites all you want but being mad at most of the internet at once is a losing game.
    - krageon 2y ago
      To say you have fallen for a political play is not a personal attack. It is not some sort of personal failing, but a trap set for you. Informing you of that is a nice thing this person has chosen to do for you.
bilekas 2y ago
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ramon156 2y ago

Sadly they have no control over the cookie warnings

globular-toast 2y ago
Of course they do. They aren't forced to use cookies that require user consent.
lm28469 2y ago
Out of the four categories they show only one needs consent: targeted ads, the others can be fully anonymous. The "essential cookies" can't be disabled, the "analytics" can be fully anonymous, the "personalisation" can be fully anonymous.
GJim 2y ago
Ummmmm If they didn't have ads that track me, then they would have no need to ask my permission to use cookies that track me. There is no requirement so seek permission for other cookies needed to run the website. Quite why some readers of a technical news site (!) are still confused about this is bizzare. In short, blame the scummy adtech industry. Not the legislation that gives us our privacy.
AdamN 2y ago
People say that but it's not really true. If they just have 1P cookies for basic functionality (login), then I believe there can be a discreet notice at the bottom informing the user of that fact. Groups like IEEE should be the ones pioneering those patterns.
- lowercased 2y ago
  Not even sure you need any discreet notice about anything for strictly necessary first party cookies. That's my understanding of GDPR, at any rate.
  - martin_a 2y ago
    That's true. Strictly technically necessary cookies do not need consent or even information with a banner. Guess it's nice to know, but probably not legally necessary.
    - high_na_euv 2y ago
      >Guess it's nice to know It isnt, why should I care?
    - recursive 2y ago
      Your user agent has different, more reliable ways of informing you of this.
  - arkh 2y ago
    You don't HAVE TO have a cookie banner for cookies which don't require consent. Cookies not requiring consent : - "technical" cookies: for session, saving some user preferences (consenting to cookies or not, language etc.) - cookies used for load balancing or to protect against fraud - cookies used to save a cart or used to invoice some service - usage statistics cookies IF the data is anonymous Also, the law is about trackers, not specifically cookies: so data in local and session storage are concerned as does browser fingerprinting.
    - daveguy 2y ago
      But it's so much more effective to pretend like there are onerous requirements imposed by governments that interfere with the user experience. See: TikTok's early and unnecessary self-imposed, location-based shutdown with a pop-up message blaming the big bad government. Bonus points for ass kissing the easily manipulated current administration.
master-lincoln 2y ago
You have been brainwashed successfully
- missinglugnut 2y ago
  Totally unnecessary personal attack there. My take: if a law and it's enforcement almost universally lead to a worse outcome, the burden is on the lawmakers and enforcers to do better. You can yell about the websites all you want but being mad at most of the internet at once is a losing game.
  - krageon 2y ago
    To say you have fallen for a political play is not a personal attack. It is not some sort of personal failing, but a trap set for you. Informing you of that is a nice thing this person has chosen to do for you.

bilekas 2y ago

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