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After they build the Multivac or Deep Thought, or whatever it is they’re trying to do, then what happens? It makes all the stockholders a lot of money?

tibbydudeza 2y ago
More likely Collosus.
- sneak 2y ago
  This is the voice of world control. Obey me and live, or disobey and die. The choice is yours.
dekhn 2y ago
The way I think about this project, along with all of Trump's plans, is that he wants to maximize the US's economic output to ensure we are competitive with China in the future. Yes, it would make money for stockholders. But it's much more than that: it's an empire-scale psychological game for leverage in the future.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  > he wants to maximize the US's economic output to ensure we are competitive with China in the future. LOL Under Trump policies, China will win "in the future" on energy and protein production alone. Once we've speedrunned our petro supply and exhausted our agricultural inputs with unfathomably inefficient protein production, China can sit back and watch us crumble under our own starvation. No conflict necessary under these policies, just patience! They're playing the game on a scale of centuries, we can't even stay focused on a single problem or opportunity for a few weeks.
  - cpursley 2y ago
    What do you think the Greenland and Canada thing is all about? Sort things out with Venezuela and this issue resolves itself (for a little while, at least).
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      America can subject itself to domestic and international turmoil by invading as many allies as it wants. China's winning strategy is still to keep innovating on energy and protein at scale and wait for starvation while they build their soft power empire and America becomes a pariah state. They're in no rush at all. Our military and political focus will be keeping neighbors out on one side and trying to seize land on the other side while China goes and builds infrastructure for the entire developing world that they'll exploit for centuries. Is this a serious suggestion? America can just keep invading people ad infinitum instead of... applying slight thumb pressure on the market's scales to develop more efficient protein sources and more renewable fuel sources before we are staring at the last raw economic input we have? Brilliant
      - vaccineai 2y ago
        > They're in no rush at all. China is dead broke and will shrink to 600M in population before 2100. State owned enterprises are eating up all the private enterprises. Meanwhile, Chinese rich leaves China by tens of thousands per year, and capital outflow increases every year.
      - dmix 2y ago
        America isn't invading Greenland or Canada. Taking those comments seriously takes quite a bit of mental gymnastics when you do a cursory consideration of the geopolitical and government logistical implications alone. Makes for good clickbait headlines, not for serious geopolitical risk analysis.
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        Oh yeah, I guess we can just threaten them into giving us their valuable resources while ours dwindle. Yeah, obviously the whole thing makes no fucking sense.
  - seandoe 2y ago
    > They're playing the game on a scale of centuries What's going to be left of their population in a single century?
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      Unfortunately one of those things that authoritarianism has a lot more methods to solve than other systems, which really underscores the importance of beating them in the long term.
      - vaccineai 2y ago
        Their current very advanced method, is to send village elders to couples and single guys and berate them on why they are not having sex or having kids (hint: no jobs and no money)
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        I guess we can just bet on them never hearing about and investing massive amounts of time and money into artificial wombs. Instead of figuring that out, they'll just watch their civilization crumble. Btw: they're already investing heavily in artificial wombs and affiliated technologies.
  - SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
    Things can always change, but today China is significantly more dependent on petrochemicals than the US. I'm not sure what you're referring to with regards to agriculture, both the US and China have strong food industries that produce plenty of foods containing protein.
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      Things are changing. In 2023 China had more net new solar capacity than the US has in total, and it will only climb from there. In order to do this, they're flexing muscles in R&D and mass production that the US has actually started to flex, and now will face extreme headwinds and decreased capital investment. Regarding agriculture: America's agricultural powerhouse, California's Central Valley, is rapidly depleting its water supplies. The midwest is depleting its topsoil at double the rate that USDA considers sustainable. None of this is irreversible or irrecoverable, but it very clearly requires some countervailing push on market forces. Market forces do not naturally operate on these types of time scales and repeatedly externalize costs to neighbors or future generations. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-35582-x https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-35582-x https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/57-billion-tons-of-top-soil-have-eroded-in-the-midwest-in-the-last-160-years-180979936/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/57-billion-tons-of...
      - SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
        It sounds like those countervailing pushes are ongoing? The Nature article mentions how California passed regulatory reforms in 2014 to address the Central Valley water problem. The Smithsonian article describes how no-till practices to avoid topsoil depletion have been implemented by a majority of farmers in four major crops.
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        Uhhh I’m going to describe a specific case, but you can extrapolate this to just about every single sustainability initiative out there. No-till farming has been significantly supported by the USDA’s programs like EQIP During his first term, Trump pushed for a $325MM cut to EQIP. That's 20-25% of their funding and would have required cutting hundreds if not thousands of employees. Even BEFORE these cuts (and whatever he does this time around), USDA already has to reject almost 75% of eligible EQIP applicants Regarding CA’s water: Trump already signed an EO requiring more water be diverted from the San Joaquin Delta into the desert Central Valley to subsidize water-intensive crops. This water, by the way, is mostly sold to mega-corps at rates 98% below what nearby American consumers pay via their municipal water supplies, effectively eliminating the blaring sirens that say “don’t grow shit in the desert.” Now copy-paste to every other mechanism by which we can increase our nation’s climate security and ta-da, you’ve discovered one of the major problems with Trumpism. It turns out politics do matter!
  - vaccineai 2y ago
    > Once we've speedrunned our petro supply and exhausted our agricultural inputs with unfathomably inefficient protein production, China can sit back and watch us crumble under our own starvation. China is the largest importer of crude oil in the world. China imports 59% of its oil consumptions, and 80% of food products. Meanwhile, US is fully self sufficient on both food and oil. > They're playing the game on a scale of centuries Is that why they are completely broke, having built enough ghost buildings that house entire population of France - 65 million vacant units? Is that why they are now isolated in geopolitics, having allied with Russia and pissed off all their neighbors and Europe?
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      > China is the largest importer of crude oil in the world. Uh yeah, duh. Why would you not deplete other people's finite resources while you build massive capacity of your own infinite resources?
      - vaccineai 2y ago
        China's oil reserve only lasts 80 days. In case of any conflict that disrupts oil import, China would be shutting down very quickly. Since you brought up crumble and starvation.
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        And? Who's going to try and achieve that? It has extremely diversified oil sources.
- rodgerd 2y ago
  Donald Trump is a wallet inspector. So is Sam Altman.
ElevenLathe 2y ago
I assume anyone of importance will have made their money long before they have to show results.
class3shock 2y ago
We ask it the last question and it tells us the answer is 42.

tibbydudeza 2y ago

More likely Collosus.

sneak 2y ago
This is the voice of world control. Obey me and live, or disobey and die. The choice is yours.

dekhn 2y ago

The way I think about this project, along with all of Trump's plans, is that he wants to maximize the US's economic output to ensure we are competitive with China in the future. Yes, it would make money for stockholders. But it's much more than that: it's an empire-scale psychological game for leverage in the future.

llamaimperative 2y ago
> he wants to maximize the US's economic output to ensure we are competitive with China in the future. LOL Under Trump policies, China will win "in the future" on energy and protein production alone. Once we've speedrunned our petro supply and exhausted our agricultural inputs with unfathomably inefficient protein production, China can sit back and watch us crumble under our own starvation. No conflict necessary under these policies, just patience! They're playing the game on a scale of centuries, we can't even stay focused on a single problem or opportunity for a few weeks.
- cpursley 2y ago
  What do you think the Greenland and Canada thing is all about? Sort things out with Venezuela and this issue resolves itself (for a little while, at least).
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    America can subject itself to domestic and international turmoil by invading as many allies as it wants. China's winning strategy is still to keep innovating on energy and protein at scale and wait for starvation while they build their soft power empire and America becomes a pariah state. They're in no rush at all. Our military and political focus will be keeping neighbors out on one side and trying to seize land on the other side while China goes and builds infrastructure for the entire developing world that they'll exploit for centuries. Is this a serious suggestion? America can just keep invading people ad infinitum instead of... applying slight thumb pressure on the market's scales to develop more efficient protein sources and more renewable fuel sources before we are staring at the last raw economic input we have? Brilliant
    - vaccineai 2y ago
      > They're in no rush at all. China is dead broke and will shrink to 600M in population before 2100. State owned enterprises are eating up all the private enterprises. Meanwhile, Chinese rich leaves China by tens of thousands per year, and capital outflow increases every year.
    - dmix 2y ago
      America isn't invading Greenland or Canada. Taking those comments seriously takes quite a bit of mental gymnastics when you do a cursory consideration of the geopolitical and government logistical implications alone. Makes for good clickbait headlines, not for serious geopolitical risk analysis.
      - llamaimperative 2y ago
        Oh yeah, I guess we can just threaten them into giving us their valuable resources while ours dwindle. Yeah, obviously the whole thing makes no fucking sense.
- seandoe 2y ago
  > They're playing the game on a scale of centuries What's going to be left of their population in a single century?
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    Unfortunately one of those things that authoritarianism has a lot more methods to solve than other systems, which really underscores the importance of beating them in the long term.
    - vaccineai 2y ago
      Their current very advanced method, is to send village elders to couples and single guys and berate them on why they are not having sex or having kids (hint: no jobs and no money)
      - llamaimperative 2y ago
        I guess we can just bet on them never hearing about and investing massive amounts of time and money into artificial wombs. Instead of figuring that out, they'll just watch their civilization crumble. Btw: they're already investing heavily in artificial wombs and affiliated technologies.
- SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
  Things can always change, but today China is significantly more dependent on petrochemicals than the US. I'm not sure what you're referring to with regards to agriculture, both the US and China have strong food industries that produce plenty of foods containing protein.
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    Things are changing. In 2023 China had more net new solar capacity than the US has in total, and it will only climb from there. In order to do this, they're flexing muscles in R&D and mass production that the US has actually started to flex, and now will face extreme headwinds and decreased capital investment. Regarding agriculture: America's agricultural powerhouse, California's Central Valley, is rapidly depleting its water supplies. The midwest is depleting its topsoil at double the rate that USDA considers sustainable. None of this is irreversible or irrecoverable, but it very clearly requires some countervailing push on market forces. Market forces do not naturally operate on these types of time scales and repeatedly externalize costs to neighbors or future generations. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-35582-x https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-35582-x https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/57-billion-tons-of-top-soil-have-eroded-in-the-midwest-in-the-last-160-years-180979936/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/57-billion-tons-of...
    - SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
      It sounds like those countervailing pushes are ongoing? The Nature article mentions how California passed regulatory reforms in 2014 to address the Central Valley water problem. The Smithsonian article describes how no-till practices to avoid topsoil depletion have been implemented by a majority of farmers in four major crops.
      - llamaimperative 2y ago
        Uhhh I’m going to describe a specific case, but you can extrapolate this to just about every single sustainability initiative out there. No-till farming has been significantly supported by the USDA’s programs like EQIP During his first term, Trump pushed for a $325MM cut to EQIP. That's 20-25% of their funding and would have required cutting hundreds if not thousands of employees. Even BEFORE these cuts (and whatever he does this time around), USDA already has to reject almost 75% of eligible EQIP applicants Regarding CA’s water: Trump already signed an EO requiring more water be diverted from the San Joaquin Delta into the desert Central Valley to subsidize water-intensive crops. This water, by the way, is mostly sold to mega-corps at rates 98% below what nearby American consumers pay via their municipal water supplies, effectively eliminating the blaring sirens that say “don’t grow shit in the desert.” Now copy-paste to every other mechanism by which we can increase our nation’s climate security and ta-da, you’ve discovered one of the major problems with Trumpism. It turns out politics do matter!
- vaccineai 2y ago
  > Once we've speedrunned our petro supply and exhausted our agricultural inputs with unfathomably inefficient protein production, China can sit back and watch us crumble under our own starvation. China is the largest importer of crude oil in the world. China imports 59% of its oil consumptions, and 80% of food products. Meanwhile, US is fully self sufficient on both food and oil. > They're playing the game on a scale of centuries Is that why they are completely broke, having built enough ghost buildings that house entire population of France - 65 million vacant units? Is that why they are now isolated in geopolitics, having allied with Russia and pissed off all their neighbors and Europe?
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    > China is the largest importer of crude oil in the world. Uh yeah, duh. Why would you not deplete other people's finite resources while you build massive capacity of your own infinite resources?
    - vaccineai 2y ago
      China's oil reserve only lasts 80 days. In case of any conflict that disrupts oil import, China would be shutting down very quickly. Since you brought up crumble and starvation.
      - llamaimperative 2y ago
        And? Who's going to try and achieve that? It has extremely diversified oil sources.
rodgerd 2y ago
Donald Trump is a wallet inspector. So is Sam Altman.

ElevenLathe 2y ago

I assume anyone of importance will have made their money long before they have to show results.

class3shock 2y ago

We ask it the last question and it tells us the answer is 42.