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It’s totally insane that China can ban all American social networks on security concerns and ban all kinds of just basic speech on their apps, but banning a Chi
by daft_pink 2y ago
It’s totally insane that China can ban all American social networks on security concerns and ban all kinds of just basic speech on their apps, but banning a Chinese social network is so controversial.
- ajsnigrutin 2y agoIf you brag with freedoms and free speech, you can't really use what china is doing as an excuse to do the same.
- akerl_ 2y agoThere are lots of things that China does that would be controversial in other countries. Why is it totally insane?
- fullshark 2y agoYeah totally insane that our government actually has to be concerned with public opinion.
- epolanski 2y agoIs that sarcasm?
- ok123456 2y agoWhy is that insane? We should lead by example if we value free speech.
- mupuff1234 2y agoSo if China would pay $100 a month to every teacher in the US to teach some subversive topic, would that also be ok? The issue here isn't free speech, but control over what content is promoted, unless you think the CCP has the right to free speech in the US.
- ok123456 2y agoSorry, it is a free speech issue. TikTok is a gestalt product of the content on there. Maybe Washington should figure out a way to make fewer "Foreign adversaries" so it doesn't have to subvert the fundamental rights of its citizens.
- mupuff1234 2y agoIf tiktok were to remove the recommendation algorithm than it wouldn't be banned, which means that it's not about free speech.
- tzs 2y ago> So if China would pay $100 a month to every teacher in the US to teach some subversive topic, would that also be ok? It would not be OK, but not because it is China. It would not be OK because it is not OK for anyone to do that.
- Muromec 2y agoThe moment EU will ban x/itter for the exact same reason it will be all about free speech again.
- ThrowawayR2 2y agoArguing for individual humans to have freedom of speech to express their views is one thing, arguing for mega-corporations (look at the valuation estimates for Tiktok) to have freedom of speech for profit is quite another.
- ok123456 2y agoThey do have freedom of speech—Citizen's United. The more significant issue is that this is a bill of attainder. The fact that this was prima facia rejected by the courts is an indication that the NatSec state has corroded every branch of government, and we have a zombie government.
- Nasrudith 2y agoThat is like saying we have freedom of speech but it doesn't apply if you are wealthy enough to afford a printing press. It is just a sleight of hand to avoid saying "we really don't".
- AznHisoka 2y agoIs it really controversial? Maybe there’s just a vocal minority but most people I know simply do not care… granted, I don’t hang out with many young ppl so there’s that..
- epolanski 2y agoThey don't exactly ban them, it's simply that their law is too stringent and invasive to make it worth the hassle.
- geor9e 2y agoAccording to the youth, it's more about a government censoring what speech their citizens can see. The CCP does it, sure. But America doing it feels new.
- UtopiaPunk 2y agoWell, not new. But hypocritical, definitely.
- wongarsu 2y agoChina doesn't claim that free speech and personal freedom are part of their core values
- TulliusCicero 2y agoThis is a trade issue. If Country A bans imports from Country B, it's entirely reasonable to respond in kind.
- ritcgab 2y agoThen the US acts like China.
- TulliusCicero 2y agoRight now the issue is that the US mostly doesn't. The US market is far more open to China than the reverse, everyone knows this. Free trade should also be fair trade. Personally I wouldn't really give a shit about TikTok if the Chinese market was actually at all open to US companies for this area (and if there were reasonable protections about personal data in the US overall).
- corimaith 2y agoTit for Tat. Mercantalism is quite effective in a world of Free Trade, but if everyone turns Mercantalistic it becomes unsustainable and burns out. Once the most Mercantalistic actors are wiped out and EVERYONE understands why such policies were bad, we can return to the principles of Free Trade.
- hackeraccount 2y agoAs with trade issue so with this. If Country B bans imports they are actually hurting Country B not Country A. China infringing on the inalienable rights of Chinese citizens is not a source of strength. It's weakness. It hurts China. Responding in kind is me responding to my neighbors fire by dousing the living room with gasoline and lighting a match.
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- addicted 2y agoIn general I don’t think that’s insane at all. There’s nothing inherently wrong with the idea that something that is normal in an authoritarian society is verboten and sacrilegious in a Democracy.
- tananaev 2y agoChina banned things for entirely different reasons. They want to control the information they don't like. TikTok is banned so that Chinese government can't do the same thing here and influence a very large percentage of the US population. Not saying they're doing it now, but in general I agree that the potential threat is there. You can already see how big is the social media influence on people, on their political views etc.
- Barrin92 2y ago> You can already see how big is the social media influence on people, on their political views etc. If that is the reason for the ban, namely that American citizens cannot discern propaganda from factual information themselves and as a result must have their information shaped for them to achieve or avoid certain political outcomes, then that is quite literally the same reason China has for controlling the information space No offense but you did basically just say the same thing twice, just with a bit of a patriot-act touch up. China doesn't just ban things they "don't like". What they don't like is exactly what you just lined out
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- scarecrowbob 2y agoI dunno, it feels pretty normal to be upset when a government which ostensibly represents me does something that I feel is actively against my interests. I don't think that you have to decry every horrible thing in the world to be upset when folks do things that you don't like to you.
- samr71 2y agoBanning a media platform in America used by most Americans is controversial? Say it ain't so!
- _lvbh 2y ago"It's insane that China can engage in genocide but engaging in genocide ourselves is so controversial" This isn't really a good argument. Someone else being horrible isn't grounds to be horrible yourself. There are better arguments for banning TikTok, like protecting the youth from having their brains rotted out.