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What if no one misses TikTok?
- seo-speedwagon 2y agoTikTok is old news now. Everyone’s joining 小紅書 and getting fully Xi-pilled.
- zht 2y agowhy write the name in traditional? if you're going to refer to it in another language, why not just write it as 小红书？
- icapybara 2y agoMaybe they use a traditional character keyboard and don't have a simplified character keyboard set up.
- mvdtnz 2y agoBetter yet why not transliterate it so the rest of us can read the conversation.
- wetpaws 2y ago[dead]
- aleph_minus_one 2y ago> why not just write it as 小红书？ seo-speedwagon wrote (emphasis mine): "Everyone’s joining 小紅書 and getting fully Xi-pilled." This shows that seo-speedwagon is opposed to mainland China. Writing the name in traditional characters, which are used in Taiwan, is another barb of seo-speedwagon against mainland China and its government.
- wumeow 2y agoThis isn’t exaggeration btw. Gen Z is basically a cooked generation at this point.
- spencerflem 2y agoBecause we don't like what the US government and their corporate overlords are doing?
- addicted 2y agoImagine thinking the U.S. govt and corporate overlords are terrible because they’re banning TikTok and getting back at them by going to a Chinese app. China, the country which has a literal firewall preventing their people from getting information that isn’t vetted, bans nearly every external app because they don’t have control over it, and most ironically, never allowed TikTok, whose banning you think makes the U.S. govt terrible, in China in the first place. It’s hilarious that all these Redpillers are going on about how they can now communicate with and learn from the Chinese people they’re meeting on Red Book without ever considering why they couldn’t meet those Chinese people on Tik Tok in the first place and coming to the conclusion that this shows that it was the U.S. govt that was bad… Yeah, the lack of logical thinking in this one instance and your response to it only adds to the evidence that your generation is cooked.
- spencerflem 2y agoMan, u just don't get it. It's spite. Obviously. The point isn't that the CCP is better.
- seo-speedwagon 2y agoMost people I’ve seen are going on about either 1) the novelty of talking to entirely new people, which is a relative rarity since the early, heady days of MySpace when social media was new and gardens felt much less walled. For Gen Z, it might actually be a first given their average age; or 2) how the lives of average people compare to theirs and compare to their prior notions of what they thought life was like These seem to go both ways btw, e.g. Chinese people being amazed that we really do need to pay for ambulance rides and that it’s not just govt propaganda. People are going where interesting things are happening, it’s plain and simple.
- seanmcdirmid 2y agoIn not sure if used traditional characters for some kind of ironic effect or not.
- geeknet 2y ago[dead]
- phoronixrly 2y agohttps://archive.is/lODEZ https://archive.is/lODEZ Because of the horrible UX of opening up this URL and literally the entire screen being covered by pop-ups... What the actual hell... Porn/warez sites in the 00s were better than this...
- daft_pink 2y agoIt’s totally insane that China can ban all American social networks on security concerns and ban all kinds of just basic speech on their apps, but banning a Chinese social network is so controversial.
- ajsnigrutin 2y agoIf you brag with freedoms and free speech, you can't really use what china is doing as an excuse to do the same.
- akerl_ 2y agoThere are lots of things that China does that would be controversial in other countries. Why is it totally insane?
- fullshark 2y agoYeah totally insane that our government actually has to be concerned with public opinion.
- epolanski 2y agoIs that sarcasm?
- ok123456 2y agoWhy is that insane? We should lead by example if we value free speech.
- mupuff1234 2y agoSo if China would pay $100 a month to every teacher in the US to teach some subversive topic, would that also be ok? The issue here isn't free speech, but control over what content is promoted, unless you think the CCP has the right to free speech in the US.
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- ericlamb89 2y agoI'm not sure it's the right thing to ban TikTok, but I'm not surprised people aren't protesting in the streets. My feeling is that most people are addicted to these apps, not using them for the utility or pleasure they bring. These users have a deep down sense that they'd be better off without these apps. Instagram won't be banned, but if it were I think there might be a similar non-reaction.
- krapp 2y ago>My feeling is that most people are addicted to these apps, not using them for the utility or pleasure they bring. What if most people aren't addicted to them, and do simply find them useful and entertaining, and the hyperbole and discourse about how dangerous and addictive social media and "algorithms" are is a means to manufacture consent for the government regulating and controlling free speech? What if it's a bigger problem that all the government has to do is gesture vaguely in the direction of China and many people will just roll over?
- Wowfunhappy 2y ago> My feeling is that most people are addicted to these apps, not using them for the utility or pleasure they bring. ...I find it interesting to think about whether using something due to addiction means you wouldn't protest if it's forcibly taken away. In other words, I wonder if people would protest if cigarettes were banned.
- wongarsu 2y agoIf anything, I'd expect addicts to fight the hardest when someone takes their "drug" away
- krapp 2y agoThe smokers' rights movement is a thing, and they do protest, yes.
- nozzlegear 2y agoI think replacing cigarettes with vapes is more topical, at least in America.
- TrackerFF 2y agoEver since I started using social media platforms, some 22 years ago, I've been through six platforms. Those platforms were once teeming with life, but eventually got shut down, bought out, or just died a natural death. Every time people were up in arms, but eventually migrated somewhere else. People will use something else.
- wongarsu 2y agoBut just because people migrate somewhere else doesn't mean they don't miss those old platforms. Many of these old platforms had unique aspects that were never quite replicated in later platforms
- adra 2y agoMember berries when the internet was hip and cool and UUCP was the only game in town, and everyone was a wonderfully insightful ray if sunshine? Yeah, me neither.
- lovegrenoble 2y agoI will miss it, for sure
- wsdookadr 2y agoFor what reason
- spicyusername 2y agoI'm always surprised how hard it is for people here to understand. I guess the magic of TikTok was not immediately apparent to lay people or those who did not use it regularly. In my opinion, no social media site, since maybe Stumble Upon, has been as effective as TikTok at bringing different kinds of people together and facilitating the sharing of culture: art, music, philosophy, history, jokes, ideas, etc, etc. It was a platform used by regular people, consumed by regular people, and really allowed culture to freely flow. It made it easy for the most amazing, interesting, thought provoking, funny things to come into my awareness. It really greased the wheels of communication and made it trivial to participate in the greater social environment that is "right now". I understand the general concern that technology enables the efficient propagation of propaganda, but there's something very incoherent in policy making about singularly banning TikTok and letting all other outlets contributing to this problem continue to exist as-is. Let's be honest, both Fox News and Facebook have done significantly more real damage along this exact same dimension for decades and both will continue, as-is, unabated. There's also the unfortunate fact that the real solution to preventing foreign propaganda isn't a simple Band-Aid, like this, and is going to involve the grueling decades-long process of improving our education system.
- addicted 2y agoIndia banned TikTok and a whole host of other Chinese apps and after a few days of moaning they moved completely on. So the evidence indicates that no one will actually care. And TikTok is even less sticky than say Twitter. TikTok isn’t about the relationship graph you painstakingly built. It’s about the algorithm and the FYP it populates. That can be recreated instantly. Moving away from Twitter was hard because one had to painstakingly recreate their followers list. But moving from TikTok is trivial as long as the new alternative provides enough automatically delivered entertainment.
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- mrtksn 2y agoThis is scary because it also means that every foreign app can be banned and it will be fine in no time. Foreign in UK, France etc means Twitter, Facebook, Instagram. The social graph isn’t a big deal if can be forced. People can just find the same people on the new thing. A few days of pain and its all fine, people who get locked out of their accounts or get banned do it all the time.
- sofayam 2y agoEither it is a guilty pleasure and you are secretly relieved that the temptation is being removed. Or prolonged use of the service has turned you into an apathetic apolitical blob of mindless jelly with no agency and no energy to effect change on your environment.
- kevinventullo 2y agoApolitical is an interesting choice of description. My understanding is that the real motivation of banning TikTok is precisely the political influence it wields on the youth’s malleable minds.
- sfjailbird 2y agoNo one would miss NYT either, just another newspaper. First they came for TikTok...
- spencerflem 2y agoNYT isn't the worst of the lot. It is already state propaganda though, they don't need to ban it. I'd keep an eye out for Al Jazeera
- ok123456 2y agoThis is the NatSec state hope casting.
- iambateman 2y agoI think there’s a lot of good reasons to ban TT… It’s in American security interests to limit CCP’s access to American location data and ability to pipe propaganda into our eyeballs. But setting the ban to go into effect one day before the next President takes office is brazenly political and undermines the actually-important problem that TikTok represents. When Twitter got weird, Bluesky was ready to come in as a total clone and succeed. I’m sure there are a dozen companies ready to make their case that they should replace TT…it’ll be fine.
- kevinventullo 2y agoInstagram Reels and YouTube Shorts are already trying to replace TT and failing. They really are nowhere near as good.
- foogazi 2y agoGood at what ?
- nickthegreek 2y agoSurfacing content you want to view via the algorithm.
- spencerflem 2y agothen limit selling location data. every car app and toaster sells that stuff in the free market propaganda is the point- or as importantly, the inability to hush or neuter 'anti-american' viewpoints US govt has propaganda too: schools are now required to teach that "1,500,000,000 people suffer under communism"
- samr71 2y agoThe argument to ban TikTok is for trade reciprocity reasons. Reels and Youtube Shorts are banned there, so we should ban TikTok here. Just like how if Germany banned Fords and Chevys from being sold, we should similarly ban VWs and Audis. That they say this is for "National Security" gives the game away.
- UtopiaPunk 2y agoI think TikTok is a negative influence on society, but not for any reasons that have to do with China really. I'd be much happier if the gov took strict actions on social media generally. It doesn't really make much "sense," of course. I'm just day dreaming. I find the USA gov and the Chinese gov to both be pretty evil. The other social media gets to stay, though, because they are all in the USA. Obviously banning TikTok or other social media gets into free speech violation territory. But if I could just wave my magic wand and make things that I think are bad go away, I'd ban the whole lot
- etblg 2y ago> The other social media gets to stay, though, because they are all in the USA. And for two of the biggest social media companies specifically, they'd get to stay anyway because they're paying off the POTUS.
- drivingmenuts 2y agoI think lots of people will miss TikTok. I also think not so many people will miss TikTok-ers.
- Leary 2y agohttps://www.tiktok.com/@storytimewithpapajake/video/7460988036873063723 https://www.tiktok.com/@storytimewithpapajake/video/74609880... This 102 year old American veteran who fought in WW2 sure will miss it.
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- foogazi 2y agoCreators will miss it ? Billions of humans have managed to live out their lives without short form video and will be OK
- keybored 2y ago> I’ve argued that TikTok’s biggest wounds have been self-inflicted — snooping on journalists, restricting transparency, obscuring its ties to China — and that it developed a trust deficit with U.S. lawmakers that would be hard to overcome. But I don’t think that’s why most American TikTok users aren’t protesting a ban, either. Guy is ideologically opposed to TikTok and is reasoning backwards. I mean what’s more emblematic of that than writing a thinkpiece on a what-if? > It’s probably wishful thinking to believe that if the ban takes effect, millions of screen-addicted TikTok users will start reading “Ulysses” and taking long walks in their spare time. But maybe it’s reasonable to see the shrugs surrounding TikTok’s disappearance and wonder if, after years of giving that app our attention, we’re ready to invest it somewhere else. Buddhist monks of old would apparently position a novice in a cave by themselves, giving them nothing else to do than to meditate. He cannot possibly believe that the modern world minus Tik Tok is conducive to such apparently wholesome habits. There are dozens of alternatives in queue waiting to become the next pseudo-addiction.
- ritcgab 2y agoIf TikTok creators can move to any another platforms and make profit at the same level, I am sure no one will miss TikTok. Is that the case though?
- corimaith 2y agoWell looking at India, no one did!
- mikewarot 2y agoDecades ago we decided to ignore computer security issues and focus on riding Moore's law into the future instead. If our computers were secure we could still be running our own local forums etc. Our dependency on walled gardens goes deep and is actually a national security issues.
- jianshen 2y agoI think what I will miss most about TikTok is its ability to teach me things that I would otherwise never have interest in. I've discovered so many musicians, writers, historians and niche curators it's such a shame that this is going away. I'm still surprised somehow no other company has been able to compete with how well TikTok has done discovery.
- phoronixrly 2y agoWhy do it when they can't monetize it?
- spicyusername 2y agoI'm always surprised how hard it is for people here to understand. I guess the magic of TikTok was not immediately apparent to lay people or those who did not use it regularly. In my opinion, no social media site, since maybe Stumble Upon, has been as effective as TikTok at bringing different kinds of people together and facilitating the sharing of culture: art, music, philosophy, history, jokes, ideas, etc, etc. It was a platform used by regular people, consumed by regular people, and really allowed culture to freely flow. It made it easy for the most amazing, interesting, thought provoking, funny things to come into my awareness. It really greased the wheels of communication and made it trivial to participate in the greater social environment that is "right now". I understand the general concern that technology enables the efficient propagation of propaganda, but there's something very incoherent in policy making about singularly banning TikTok and letting all other outlets contributing to this problem continue to exist as-is. Let's be honest, both Fox News and Facebook have done significantly more real damage along this exact same dimension for decades and both will continue, as-is, unabated. There's also the unfortunate fact that the real solution to preventing foreign propaganda isn't a simple Band-Aid, like this, and is going to involve the grueling decades-long process of improving our education system.