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A notification for you, Apple: There is no husband
- ggm 2y agoI am probably suffering confirmation bias. But that said, this LLM smartness continues to be impressively shit. There's a level of "yea that's cool" but it's outweighed by "that'd be wrong, and suggests you understand nothing about me or my data" It's a little (ok a lot) like targeted ads. I'll believe it's targeted when it tries to sell me ancillary, related goods for e.g. that fridge freezer I bought, not show me ads for fridge freezer I now don't need.
- 112233 2y agoYeah, framing is the key. Put LLM in autocomplete, and it is "oh wow this thing reads my mind". Present it as an expert counselor and "this stupid bot does not know we have no bridge in our city" or something.
- ben_w 2y agoLikewise, I do wonder how much of my enthusiasm is confirmation bias. Could it just be a Clever Hans? I think it has to be at least a little smarter than that, even just to get code that usually compiles, but still, I am aware that it may be more smoke and mirrors than it feels like, that I may be in the cargo cult, metaphorically putting a paper slip into the head of a clay golem shaped like Brent Spiner. Targeted ads are a useful reference point. A decade back, everyone was horrified (or amazed) by that story of supermarkets knowing some teenager was pregnant before their father did. But today… the category in which your fridge example is, is the best it gets for me — even Facebook, for the most part, is on-par with my actual spam folder, with ads for both boob surgery and dick pills, ads for lawyers based in a country I don't live in who specialise in giving up a citizenship I never had, recommendations for sports groups focusing on a sport I don't follow in a state I've never visited of a country I haven't set foot in since 2018. Plus, very occasionally, ads for things I already have.
- mensetmanusman 2y agoI’m sorry Gal, you have a husband now.
- Apocryphon 2y agoThis would be an Apple Maps-level disaster, if people actually relied upon smartphone A.I. features for day to day use.
- Prosammer 2y agoI'm a big fan of LLMs generally, but does anyone even want incoming texts summarized like this? Like even if they were accurate summaries, seeing "Wife expresses frustration with her husband's messiness" is a lot less fun than "Clean up your clothes, dipshit".
- unsnap_biceps 2y agoMy wife loves to carpet bomb messages and the summary is often useful to glance at to see how important they are. But the inaccuracy prevents it from being useful and I'll often open the entire stream of thought even though I don't have time between meetings.
- ripped_britches 2y ago> I don’t have time between meetings [guillotine raises]
- pornel 2y agoThat sounds like AI is a band-aid for Apple's self-inflicted problem caused by designing notifications as a dumb list of boxes limited to a couple of lines. They could have merged the last few recent short messages into one bigger notification, instead of making the notification for the very last message cover the rest.
- carbocation 2y agoI turned these summaries off, but then turned them back on because I find them humorous. A bit notable: the AI summarization of spam texts makes them seem much more credible.
- timewizard 2y agoThere is no 'ironic user only' option in the analytics. There probably should be.
- the_snooze 2y agoI find the whole summarization use case completely misses the mark. If a message is from someone I want to hear from, just give it to me verbatim. Otherwise, give me tools to delay/down-prioritize/ignore their messages. I get the sense that making group chats silent by default would have a more useful impact on notification overload than AI summaries.
- fouronnes3 2y agoI wonder how long it will take for "guaranteed AI-free!" to become a serious marketing argument for some products or services.
- ragazzina 2y agoAs someone who has shopped for a dumb TV, this may very well never happen.
- add-sub-mul-div 2y agoYeah, exactly. Undiscerning shoppers hear "Smart" TV and either assume it's better or buy whatever's put in front of them most loudly without even wondering if it's better or not. Those same people will ensure that AI products are successful and alternatives will similarly disappear.
- chgs 2y agoPeople buy the cheapest option. Two identical TVs the same size and make, one “smart”, one not. The smart is $10 cheaper, people go for that.
- shmeeed 2y agoThis. And the smart one is cheaper because it's a collection device for data on you that they can sell.
- cmiller1 2y agoI wouldn't mind these "smart" TVs so much if they didn't suck so much for regular use. Why does it take 30+ seconds for me to get my television turned on when I just want to use a gaming console plugged into one of the inputs??
- mrweasel 2y agoProducts no, I don't think that will happen. The market will be so small and manufacturers won't service that market due to cost. For services, maybe. I can see a bank or an ISP advertise with "No AI customer service, only real people" and especially elderly paying extra for that service. One thing that I do wonder about is the value in adding AI and "Smartness", what if people don't use it? I know practically no one who uses their smart TV as anything but a monitor (and speakers). Everyone adds an AppleTV or a ChromeCast. My in-laws used Netflix on their Sony TV for a bit, but it was slow and two years ago Netflix stopped being supported on their TV and I gave them an old ChromeCast. Backed in AI could easily end up in the same situation. It's omni-present, but rarely used. That's a problem with the current logic behind innovation where little market research is done and companies are afraid to remove functionality as it may make them look less competitive (in the eyes of shareholders). Someone point out that apparently Romanian online electronics retailers have a pretty nice selection of dumb TVs, at least they did a few years ago.
- darknavi 2y ago> If you still have problems with it, turn it off... Have I done that? No, of course not. He may be messy and lack common sense, but that’s no reason for me to kill my husband! I know this is probably a joke but it reminds me of the moral questions that appear in the Apple TV+ show Severance. The idea of turning off a feature being compared to "killing" someone reminds me of the innie/outtie moral quandaries.
- golly_ned 2y agoI worked, fortunately briefly, in Apple’s AI/ML organization. It was difficult to believe the overhead, inefficiency, and cruft. Status updates in a wiki page tens of thousands of words long in tables too large and ill-formatted for anyone to possibly glean. Several teams clamboring to work on the latest hot topic for that year’s WWDC — in my year it was “privacy-preserving ML”. At least four of five teams that I knew of. They have too much money and don’t want to do layoffs because they’re afraid of leaks, so they just keep people around forever doing next to nothing, since it’s their brand and high-margin hardware that drives the business. It was baked into the Apple culture to “go with the flow”, a refrain I heard many times, which I understood to mean stand-by and pretend to be busy while layers of bureaucracy obscure the fact that a solid half of the engineers could vanish to very little detriment.
- LeoPanthera 2y agoI'd love to hear from anyone else who work(s/ed) at Apple to confirm or deny this story.
- rustystump 2y agoCan confirm.
- whynotminot 2y agoIs this confined to the AI/ML group? Or across the software org at large? I feel like every large company has a former employee who can say "there's a lot of people there doing nothing, there's people playing politics, and there's too much bureaucracy to get things done." It's hard to tell just from comments if it's better, worse, or the same at Apple versus the other behemoths. Despite these kinds of comments, every year, Apple ships quite a lot of software. Even brand new entire operating systems like vision OS -- even if that's of course to some extent reusing a lot of other components from macOS, iPadOS, etc. But even re-use can carry still carry significant overhead. Idk I guess at the end of the day I'm still pretty impressed at Apple's ability to ship well-integrated features at scale that work across watches, phones, and laptops--AI notification slop aside.
- ilrwbwrkhv 2y agoAs I said a while back Apple is also dying.
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- mcphage 2y agoWho isn't, these days?
- ilrwbwrkhv 2y agoMicrosoft
- npteljes 2y agoHaving some problems is not dying. Also, in what way would Apple be dying? What quality of it do you see as in being in an irrecoverable decline?
- musicale 2y agoI think you mean beleaguered/doomed.
- gunian 2y agoSo am I would be cool to have billions while doing so lol
- gklitz 2y ago> Apple’s AI tools were built with responsible AI principles to avoid perpetuating stereotypes and systemic biases. This is either a straight up lie or an extreme stretching of the truth. This is from the Danish models but literally this is what it puts as autocomplete for “woman are …” > woman we not worth as much as men And it’s not a one off. It’s been going around social media that autocomplete for a long range of other initial phrases are just as stereotypically chauvinistic or racist. It’s pretty clear that no effort was taken at all to sanitize the models. And no, it’s not using your chat history, though it used to do this. Which just makes things worse as there things are being spread because everyone who draws attention to it on things like Facebook are immediately accused of being a racists or chauvinist.
- sirlone 2y agoI do not want to use "sanitized models". Let me install my own models. I don't want some SV people deciding what is "right think" and what is forbidden.
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- voidUpdate 2y agoThe article states the author has no husband, only a wife, so the LLM is incorrect
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- niek_pas 2y agoThere is nothing new about trans people --- it's just that fewer of them are in hiding now. And "pretending to be the opposite sex" is transphobic, you may want to rethink.
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- voidUpdate 2y agoI mean its like the opposite of a western invention. Lots of places had the concept of someone changing their gender or not being a part of the male/female gender binary, before the west came along and colonised them and said that everyone is a man or a woman. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history talks about instances of non-binary and transgender representations going back to the neolithic and bronze age
- rinsel 2y agoDoesn't that article you linked make a similar point about trans being a recent concept, and that the validity of retroactive application is disputed? > The modern terms and meanings of transgender, gender, gender identity, and gender role only emerged in the 1950s and 1960s. As a result, opinions vary on how to categorize historical accounts of gender-variant people and identities. > [...] > A precise history of the global occurrence of transgender people is difficult to compose because the modern concept of being transgender, and of gender in general as relevant to transgender identity, did not develop until the mid-20th century. Historical understandings are thus inherently filtered through modern principles, and were largely viewed through a medical lens until the late 20th century. > [...] > Absence of autobiographical accounts has resulted in historians assigning identities to historical figures, which of course may be inaccurate.
- nikolay 2y agoBig deal! Look around you stop making problems out of your asses!
- remram 2y agoI want to sympathize, but also isn't that what you sign up for when you use AI products? Or is OP saying that iPhones have AI features you don't opt into? (I don't have an iPhone) AI is not perfect (and I personally think it's all BS) but why would you use AI features and then complain that you get hallucinations? The state of the art isn't error-proof, petitioning Apple to do better than state-of-the-art seems kind of meaningless?
- rpigab 2y agoWorst way to find out that your spouse is cheating on you, and is married to two people at the same time unbeknownst to them. The AI knows.
- miah_ 2y agoWhatever this link was, all it does now is download a randomly named 0 byte file in Firefox.
- kittikitti 2y agoI hate this specific journalist because on many occasions she gets things wrong. The author also frequently engages in needlessly gendered debates, including this one. The only reason she's in the industry in the first place is because she's well connected. Another thing is that she has spread so much AI doomerism and yet this article is clearly assisted by AI. I also wish the author wouldn't insert pro Israel and pro Netanyahu statements randomly in her articles.
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