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I have experienced this most acutely with the most recent round of macOS and iOS updates. Nothing Apple is shipping seems to be for me, the user. Rather it’s a

I have experienced this most acutely with the most recent round of macOS and iOS updates. Nothing Apple is shipping seems to be for me, the user. Rather it’s a grab bag of crap “AI” for Wall Street, ways to make it harder to run software of my choosing, and wholesale trashing of perfectly fine UX to cram in whatever useless feature some PM landed for their promotion. I could say a few hundred things much worse about the direction of windows 11, which is even more obnoxious than Apple, but then I’d have to relieve the horror of being forced to submit my email address to Microsoft to install the damn OS. Day by day I feel the devices I’ve spent a huge sum of money on no longer belong to me. I’m getting really fucking tired of it, and something has to give.

astrange 2y ago
Apple doesn't have PMs.
- griomnib 2y ago
  I’m sure they have some “magical” Cupertino world for infighting assholes putting their careers before users, whatever that may be.
- LudwigNagasena 2y ago
  Doesn’t seem so. https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/details/200318153/get-connected-product-management-roles-for-apple-services https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/details/200318153/get-connected...
  - astrange 2y ago
    That is not in the OS. I also sort of suspect they're being hired as a prank because there is basically no power structure for them to have control over anything. Execs and designers have all the power. (Note: there are "EPMs" but it's a totally different thing.)
- Czarcasm 2y ago
  My team at Apple had PMs.
redeux 2y ago
It's called enshittification, and it's pervasive throughout our entire economy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification
- marcosdumay 2y ago
  It's called monopolization, and it's dependent on those companies selling products that you can't switch for another competitor. Or, some times it's plain simple cartelization, making sure no competitor is better. That seems to be the case with smart TVs for example. It's good to have a word for the impact it causes, but focusing on that novelty makes it looks like it's a new phenomenon that we don't know the causes or how to fix.
  - redeux 2y ago
    Absolutely. I don't mean to imply that it's "just happening." It's happening for very good reasons, like the ones you mentioned.
- InDubioProRubio 2y ago
  The natural state of a ex-free-market economy sliding into feudalism without a systemic competition present.
scarface_74 2y ago
If you turn Apple Intelligence off, how is the UI in iOS 18 any different than the previous version?
- griomnib 2y ago
  Mail is dogshit. Photos is dogshit. Image playground is streaming hot dog shit. Etc etc.
  - educasean 2y ago
    Not an Apple user here. What's changed? Can you share more details about what made them "dogshit"?
    - wao0uuno 2y ago
      Mail got category buttons on top that split your inbox so now to check your mail you have to click around because shipping notification are in a separate list from work emails. Photos had a perfectly fine interface with tabs that got changed into a long list of often redundant categories. Thankfully it can be customized a bit. New control center (wifi toggles etc.) was replaced with a customizable grid of widgets that is buggy, slow and looks ugly and unprofessional in comparison with the old interface. Gimmick. Home screen icon size and color is customizable now and it looks out of place. Gimmick. If you have a dark theme enabled then icons in settings become themed and look different than icons on the home screen with is weird and inconsistent with the rest of the interface. All animations were reworked and feel like crap. There is a delay to every action and it feels like animation smoothness takes priority over interface responsiveness. Home screen swiping animation stutters every time. Even though there is not a single new feature available for EU users other than the interface changes the entire OS feels sluggish, bloated and unfinished. Performance is terrible. This update made my iPhone 12 slow down to a crawl. Feels like running Vista on a Windows XP machine and since they dropped security updates for iOS 17 I had no choice but to upgrade. This combined with the recent news about iPhones listening to people at homes makes me want to get rid of my phone entirely. I don’t want a new iPhone and I sure as hell don’t want an Android.
jimt1234 2y ago
> Nothing [insert company] is shipping seems to be for me, the user. I have a 90/10 rule when it comes to new products/features these days: they're 90% benefit to the company and 10% benefit to me.
conradfr 2y ago
> and something has to give Well yes, the user.
4ggr0 2y ago
> but then I’d have to relieve the horror of being forced to submit my email address to Microsoft to install the damn OS. all it takes to install Windows 11 without an account is to press SHIFT + F10 on the "Connect your internet"-screen and execute this command: OOBE\BYPASSNRO never in my life have i linked an MS-Account to my personal windows, i always use a local account.
- lupusreal 2y ago
  Oh that's all? Just some obscure magical incantations which will probably be gone as soon as Microsoft management learns of it. Brilliant.
  - rocketvole 2y ago
    Microsoft knows about this. Its why they included the option in the command line. The fact that Massgavel's activation scripts still work on windows is telling of how much they'll care.
    - 4ggr0 2y ago
      it's been confirmed that MS uses these scripts themselves, internally :)
  - 4ggr0 2y ago
    sibling, we are on _hacker_ news. if a single command is too much to ask for, i don't know what to think. ever installed Linux? takes exponentially more knowledge than this windows-local-only workaround. i'm sure that management is aware of this feature, as it exists for years now and can be trivially found, it's not like this is hidden somewhere in a vault, you know. Same as MAS. i'm not even a defender of Windows and only use it at home because i game, but if i see that someone has never installed a windows just because they don't want to give M$ their e-mail address (hope they don't have a github or linkedin account, but, you know...), then i want to give them the hint they need :) i use them same functionality to install windows for my parents etc., as they want to have local-only accounts as well. even without this weird work-around, i would still be the one installing windows. OS installation is not hard, but already too difficult or confusing for lots of endusers. not sure why you chose to reply in such a snarky tone :(
btreecat 2y ago
Sounds like your ready for some flavor of Linux
- griomnib 2y ago
  I use Linux all day on the server, but I’ve never liked it on desktop. I do think I’ll be forced into it within a few years.

astrange 2y ago

Apple doesn't have PMs.

griomnib 2y ago
I’m sure they have some “magical” Cupertino world for infighting assholes putting their careers before users, whatever that may be.
LudwigNagasena 2y ago
Doesn’t seem so. https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/details/200318153/get-connected-product-management-roles-for-apple-services https://jobs.apple.com/en-us/details/200318153/get-connected...
- astrange 2y ago
  That is not in the OS. I also sort of suspect they're being hired as a prank because there is basically no power structure for them to have control over anything. Execs and designers have all the power. (Note: there are "EPMs" but it's a totally different thing.)
Czarcasm 2y ago
My team at Apple had PMs.

redeux 2y ago

It's called enshittification, and it's pervasive throughout our entire economy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification

marcosdumay 2y ago
It's called monopolization, and it's dependent on those companies selling products that you can't switch for another competitor. Or, some times it's plain simple cartelization, making sure no competitor is better. That seems to be the case with smart TVs for example. It's good to have a word for the impact it causes, but focusing on that novelty makes it looks like it's a new phenomenon that we don't know the causes or how to fix.
- redeux 2y ago
  Absolutely. I don't mean to imply that it's "just happening." It's happening for very good reasons, like the ones you mentioned.
InDubioProRubio 2y ago
The natural state of a ex-free-market economy sliding into feudalism without a systemic competition present.

scarface_74 2y ago

If you turn Apple Intelligence off, how is the UI in iOS 18 any different than the previous version?

griomnib 2y ago
Mail is dogshit. Photos is dogshit. Image playground is streaming hot dog shit. Etc etc.
- educasean 2y ago
  Not an Apple user here. What's changed? Can you share more details about what made them "dogshit"?
  - wao0uuno 2y ago
    Mail got category buttons on top that split your inbox so now to check your mail you have to click around because shipping notification are in a separate list from work emails. Photos had a perfectly fine interface with tabs that got changed into a long list of often redundant categories. Thankfully it can be customized a bit. New control center (wifi toggles etc.) was replaced with a customizable grid of widgets that is buggy, slow and looks ugly and unprofessional in comparison with the old interface. Gimmick. Home screen icon size and color is customizable now and it looks out of place. Gimmick. If you have a dark theme enabled then icons in settings become themed and look different than icons on the home screen with is weird and inconsistent with the rest of the interface. All animations were reworked and feel like crap. There is a delay to every action and it feels like animation smoothness takes priority over interface responsiveness. Home screen swiping animation stutters every time. Even though there is not a single new feature available for EU users other than the interface changes the entire OS feels sluggish, bloated and unfinished. Performance is terrible. This update made my iPhone 12 slow down to a crawl. Feels like running Vista on a Windows XP machine and since they dropped security updates for iOS 17 I had no choice but to upgrade. This combined with the recent news about iPhones listening to people at homes makes me want to get rid of my phone entirely. I don’t want a new iPhone and I sure as hell don’t want an Android.

jimt1234 2y ago

> Nothing [insert company] is shipping seems to be for me, the user. I have a 90/10 rule when it comes to new products/features these days: they're 90% benefit to the company and 10% benefit to me.

conradfr 2y ago

> and something has to give Well yes, the user.

4ggr0 2y ago

> but then I’d have to relieve the horror of being forced to submit my email address to Microsoft to install the damn OS. all it takes to install Windows 11 without an account is to press SHIFT + F10 on the "Connect your internet"-screen and execute this command: OOBE\BYPASSNRO never in my life have i linked an MS-Account to my personal windows, i always use a local account.

lupusreal 2y ago
Oh that's all? Just some obscure magical incantations which will probably be gone as soon as Microsoft management learns of it. Brilliant.
- rocketvole 2y ago
  Microsoft knows about this. Its why they included the option in the command line. The fact that Massgavel's activation scripts still work on windows is telling of how much they'll care.
  - 4ggr0 2y ago
    it's been confirmed that MS uses these scripts themselves, internally :)
- 4ggr0 2y ago
  sibling, we are on _hacker_ news. if a single command is too much to ask for, i don't know what to think. ever installed Linux? takes exponentially more knowledge than this windows-local-only workaround. i'm sure that management is aware of this feature, as it exists for years now and can be trivially found, it's not like this is hidden somewhere in a vault, you know. Same as MAS. i'm not even a defender of Windows and only use it at home because i game, but if i see that someone has never installed a windows just because they don't want to give M$ their e-mail address (hope they don't have a github or linkedin account, but, you know...), then i want to give them the hint they need :) i use them same functionality to install windows for my parents etc., as they want to have local-only accounts as well. even without this weird work-around, i would still be the one installing windows. OS installation is not hard, but already too difficult or confusing for lots of endusers. not sure why you chose to reply in such a snarky tone :(

btreecat 2y ago

Sounds like your ready for some flavor of Linux

griomnib 2y ago
I use Linux all day on the server, but I’ve never liked it on desktop. I do think I’ll be forced into it within a few years.