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Tim Sweeney literally exploits children’s psychology on an Epic scale with Fortnite V-Bucks. He doesn’t get a say about anything, and in a sane world, would pro

Tim Sweeney literally exploits children’s psychology on an Epic scale with Fortnite V-Bucks. He doesn’t get a say about anything, and in a sane world, would probably be in prison (and he wouldn’t be alone).

lern_too_spel 2y ago
That doesn't make him wrong here.
- gjsman-1000 2y ago
  That doesn’t make him any more right than someone who pulled this claim out of his rear. Tim Sweeney has hated all of these people for years, so it’s a fine slur completely in line with past comments.
  - lern_too_spel 2y ago
    Yes, your GGP comment doesn't make him right. His words explaining his argument make him right on this particular topic.
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sushid 2y ago
I find Fortnite to have a much more reasonable monetization pattern compared to literally all other games that children play nowadays (Genshin and Roblox being the two most problematic). I also love that Epic is the only attempt at breaking the Steam game distribution monopoly we have today. Also, Sweeney not wrong. Billionaires are lining up to pay Trump his dues because it'll lead to more $$.
- wccrawford 2y ago
  I'm not saying Genshin's pull-gambling isn't problematic, but it was one of the first I knew of that have a pity system, where you'd eventually be guaranteed to get the unit you wanted. As a player that pays $5/mo for some gems and gets all their other gems for free, I've hit that pity payout quite a few times since launch. I wouldn't call it "one of the most problematic". It's bad, but it's not even close to the worst. Fortnite does feel a lot more reasonable to me. From what I know of it, you pay for things directly, or you pay for a pass that you earn things on if you just play enough. And it's pretty cheap, compared to other online service-based games.
  - gjsman-1000 2y ago
    How about we accept the truth that any child psychologist would tell you: they are both, and all, exploitative. The only thing that could remotely considered ethical would be a game paid for upfront. It’s like saying that it’s better that our children are smoking cigarettes instead of smoking weed. How about we just stop the smoking in the first place?
    - wccrawford 2y ago
      You do pay "up front" for Fortnite. For every season. It's constantly being updated and getting new content. You can continue playing for free with your old skins and enjoy the game. You don't need to pay more. But you can also choose to get the new stuff, and you know what it'll be before you pay. In a world where toys in cereal boxes are considered "exploitative", I'm not going to argue that live service games aren't. But there's a world of difference between what Fortnite does and what Genshin Impact does.
  - prophesi 2y ago
    And it's not pay-to-win. I bought a skin when I was playing Fortnite just because I sunk enough time into it. Gachas in games like Genshin, on the other hand, directly impact gameplay and prey on the frustration of F2P gamers and their sense of progression. I'm a fan of microtransactions when it's purely cosmetic. I got into Pokemon TCG Pocket recently, and the temptation to pay to keep pulling cards / doing wonder picks is strong. I can see why it's making almost as much as Pokemon Go's launch.
    - RGamma 2y ago
      IMO framing any discussion around pay2win is missing the forest for the trees and playing into publisher's hands. On Gamebanana (formerly FPSBanana) you'll find a million pieces of non-P2W content for certain games created for free. Sure hosting the stuff is not free and has never been, but discussing the nuances of monetary addons is very far from the firsts of complaining about horse armor DLC or the distinction of extensions and addons, given that gaming was paid of gamers' own pocket for a long time. The narrative is shifting/has shifted from a cultural to a consumerist artifact, exactly as intended.
add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
In a sane world we let random citizens condemn each other based on imaginary laws?
- gjsman-1000 2y ago
  If you wrote a web app for elderly people which demanded $799 every time they needed tech assistance, with said assistance coming straight from Pakistan and thus unintelligible, there’s no law against that. But seriously, if you have literally once condemned something that doesn’t have a law against it, that shows your argument is trash.
insane_dreamer 2y ago
I dislike Tim Sweeney very much. But it doesn't make what he's saying here wrong.
slowhadoken 2y ago
It's hilarious that Epic would throw shade at anyone lmfao
tjpnz 2y ago
What's your point? You could literally say the same thing about Mark Zuckerberg and Instagram.

lern_too_spel 2y ago

That doesn't make him wrong here.

gjsman-1000 2y ago
That doesn’t make him any more right than someone who pulled this claim out of his rear. Tim Sweeney has hated all of these people for years, so it’s a fine slur completely in line with past comments.
- lern_too_spel 2y ago
  Yes, your GGP comment doesn't make him right. His words explaining his argument make him right on this particular topic.

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sushid 2y ago

I find Fortnite to have a much more reasonable monetization pattern compared to literally all other games that children play nowadays (Genshin and Roblox being the two most problematic). I also love that Epic is the only attempt at breaking the Steam game distribution monopoly we have today. Also, Sweeney not wrong. Billionaires are lining up to pay Trump his dues because it'll lead to more $$.

wccrawford 2y ago
I'm not saying Genshin's pull-gambling isn't problematic, but it was one of the first I knew of that have a pity system, where you'd eventually be guaranteed to get the unit you wanted. As a player that pays $5/mo for some gems and gets all their other gems for free, I've hit that pity payout quite a few times since launch. I wouldn't call it "one of the most problematic". It's bad, but it's not even close to the worst. Fortnite does feel a lot more reasonable to me. From what I know of it, you pay for things directly, or you pay for a pass that you earn things on if you just play enough. And it's pretty cheap, compared to other online service-based games.
- gjsman-1000 2y ago
  How about we accept the truth that any child psychologist would tell you: they are both, and all, exploitative. The only thing that could remotely considered ethical would be a game paid for upfront. It’s like saying that it’s better that our children are smoking cigarettes instead of smoking weed. How about we just stop the smoking in the first place?
  - wccrawford 2y ago
    You do pay "up front" for Fortnite. For every season. It's constantly being updated and getting new content. You can continue playing for free with your old skins and enjoy the game. You don't need to pay more. But you can also choose to get the new stuff, and you know what it'll be before you pay. In a world where toys in cereal boxes are considered "exploitative", I'm not going to argue that live service games aren't. But there's a world of difference between what Fortnite does and what Genshin Impact does.
- prophesi 2y ago
  And it's not pay-to-win. I bought a skin when I was playing Fortnite just because I sunk enough time into it. Gachas in games like Genshin, on the other hand, directly impact gameplay and prey on the frustration of F2P gamers and their sense of progression. I'm a fan of microtransactions when it's purely cosmetic. I got into Pokemon TCG Pocket recently, and the temptation to pay to keep pulling cards / doing wonder picks is strong. I can see why it's making almost as much as Pokemon Go's launch.
  - RGamma 2y ago
    IMO framing any discussion around pay2win is missing the forest for the trees and playing into publisher's hands. On Gamebanana (formerly FPSBanana) you'll find a million pieces of non-P2W content for certain games created for free. Sure hosting the stuff is not free and has never been, but discussing the nuances of monetary addons is very far from the firsts of complaining about horse armor DLC or the distinction of extensions and addons, given that gaming was paid of gamers' own pocket for a long time. The narrative is shifting/has shifted from a cultural to a consumerist artifact, exactly as intended.

add-sub-mul-div 2y ago

In a sane world we let random citizens condemn each other based on imaginary laws?

gjsman-1000 2y ago
If you wrote a web app for elderly people which demanded $799 every time they needed tech assistance, with said assistance coming straight from Pakistan and thus unintelligible, there’s no law against that. But seriously, if you have literally once condemned something that doesn’t have a law against it, that shows your argument is trash.

insane_dreamer 2y ago

I dislike Tim Sweeney very much. But it doesn't make what he's saying here wrong.

slowhadoken 2y ago

It's hilarious that Epic would throw shade at anyone lmfao

tjpnz 2y ago

What's your point? You could literally say the same thing about Mark Zuckerberg and Instagram.