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A Supermarket in California (1955)

50 points by squircle 2y ago

mitchbob 2y ago
Wonderful. And another Ginsberg Berkeley poem, maybe my favorite: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/49304/sunflower-sutra https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/49304/sunflower-sutra
- squircle 2y ago
  Nice. I was vibing to this poem you shared earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42639593 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42639593 (I'm not familiar with Carl Sandburg and appreciate the introduction.)
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apengwin 2y ago
Go Bears
mrayycombi 2y ago
Apparently Mr Ginsberg was a friend to young men. And not in a good way: https://chroniclesmagazine.org/web/allen-ginsberg-pedophilia-and-the-corruption-of-the-american-university/ https://chroniclesmagazine.org/web/allen-ginsberg-pedophilia...
- sitkack 2y ago
  The Southern Poverty Law Center has characterized it as catering to "intellectual wing of white nationalist movement" wrt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronicles_(magazine) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronicles_(magazine) Everything in that article might be true, but I'd use a different source.
  - haroldp 2y ago
    Same could be said for the SPLC.
    - PorterBHall 2y ago
      This is incorrect.
- squircle 2y ago
  Well, yeah... If you read this poem, it's right there on the surface. I see no reason to defend the author's character--the text is what it is.
  - mrayycombi 2y ago
    There are wonderful texts by people who didn't rape minors or advocate for its legalization(although arguably the latter is an opinion, while the former is a crime). Just sayin'
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    - squircle 2y ago
      > There are wonderful texts by people who didn't rape minors or advocate for its legalization(although arguably the latter is an opinion, while the former is a crime). Of course there are. Apologies if I triggered you?
- mistrial9 2y ago
  Mr Ginsberg was known to inappropriately start up the exposed genitals now and then source: people who saw it
asah 2y ago
Howl was the poem that spurred inspired a generation: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/49303/howl https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/49303/howl
informal007 2y ago
Sorry for the unrelated comment. It seems that I saw "AI" when I glance "A" in the title, I'm like a LLM trained by news in recently years...
- dmd 2y ago
  I cannot stress enough: wat
mmanfrin 2y ago
The supermarket this takes place at is now the Trader Joe's in Berkeley on University. Also a radiolab episode opener takes place at Berkeley Bowl West (the ep on the paradox of choice, they try to decide what apples to get). These have been your two Berkeley Grocery Store Facts of the day. Reply STOP to unsubscribe.
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- ubasu 2y ago
  The Trader Joe's at University and MLK is very recent, only since 2010 [1]. It used to be an auto-parts store before. Perhaps it used to be a grocery store back in 1955? [1] https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/place/article/Complex-houses-Berkeley-s-first-Trader-Joe-s-3184862.php https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/place/article/Complex-houses-...
- princearthur 2y ago
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shove 2y ago
Do I even want to know why Ginsberg is being posted to HN?
wvu 2y ago
It’s best heard, as read by Allen Ginsberg himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKf3b9AXoG8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKf3b9AXoG8
sema4hacker 2y ago
I remember growing up with supermarkets that had no sealed packaging, no pop-top drinks, just glass no plastic, no drinking water, the ice cream choices were only vanilla/strawberry/chocolate/neopolitan and maybe rocky road, chips were only plain, ruffles, fritos, or BBQ, there were no barcodes only price stickers, no nutrition labels, no microwave instructions, only oreo or hydrox, no expiration dates, no plastic bags, no security cameras, no self-serve checkout.
- leoh 2y ago
  Amen
WalterBright 2y ago
The Air Force didn't let kids into the base supermarket if they were too big to sit in the shopping cart, and under 10. So I had to hang out in front while my mom shopped. Eventually I turned 10 and got a military ID and could go into the supermarket. My mom would buy a huge pile of groceries (because it was a bit of a drive to the base and she only shopped every 2 weeks), and the cashier's fingers would just fly over the mechanical keyboard. I'm surprised their fingers didn't bleed from doing that all day. The laser scanners are sooo much better. Can you imagine these days leaving your six year old outside while you shopped?
leoh 2y ago
This is one of my favorite poems

50 points by squircle 2y ago

Wonderful. And another Ginsberg Berkeley poem, maybe my favorite: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/49304/sunflower-sutra https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/49304/sunflower-sutra

squircle 2y ago
Nice. I was vibing to this poem you shared earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42639593 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42639593 (I'm not familiar with Carl Sandburg and appreciate the introduction.)

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apengwin 2y ago

Go Bears

mrayycombi 2y ago

Apparently Mr Ginsberg was a friend to young men. And not in a good way: https://chroniclesmagazine.org/web/allen-ginsberg-pedophilia-and-the-corruption-of-the-american-university/ https://chroniclesmagazine.org/web/allen-ginsberg-pedophilia...

sitkack 2y ago
The Southern Poverty Law Center has characterized it as catering to "intellectual wing of white nationalist movement" wrt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronicles_(magazine) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronicles_(magazine) Everything in that article might be true, but I'd use a different source.
- haroldp 2y ago
  Same could be said for the SPLC.
  - PorterBHall 2y ago
    This is incorrect.
squircle 2y ago
Well, yeah... If you read this poem, it's right there on the surface. I see no reason to defend the author's character--the text is what it is.
- mrayycombi 2y ago
  There are wonderful texts by people who didn't rape minors or advocate for its legalization(although arguably the latter is an opinion, while the former is a crime). Just sayin'
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  - squircle 2y ago
    > There are wonderful texts by people who didn't rape minors or advocate for its legalization(although arguably the latter is an opinion, while the former is a crime). Of course there are. Apologies if I triggered you?
mistrial9 2y ago
Mr Ginsberg was known to inappropriately start up the exposed genitals now and then source: people who saw it

asah 2y ago

Howl was the poem that spurred inspired a generation: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/49303/howl https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/49303/howl

informal007 2y ago

Sorry for the unrelated comment. It seems that I saw "AI" when I glance "A" in the title, I'm like a LLM trained by news in recently years...

dmd 2y ago
I cannot stress enough: wat

mmanfrin 2y ago

The supermarket this takes place at is now the Trader Joe's in Berkeley on University. Also a radiolab episode opener takes place at Berkeley Bowl West (the ep on the paradox of choice, they try to decide what apples to get). These have been your two Berkeley Grocery Store Facts of the day. Reply STOP to unsubscribe.

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ubasu 2y ago
The Trader Joe's at University and MLK is very recent, only since 2010 [1]. It used to be an auto-parts store before. Perhaps it used to be a grocery store back in 1955? [1] https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/place/article/Complex-houses-Berkeley-s-first-Trader-Joe-s-3184862.php https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/place/article/Complex-houses-...
princearthur 2y ago
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shove 2y ago

Do I even want to know why Ginsberg is being posted to HN?

wvu 2y ago

It’s best heard, as read by Allen Ginsberg himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKf3b9AXoG8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKf3b9AXoG8

sema4hacker 2y ago

I remember growing up with supermarkets that had no sealed packaging, no pop-top drinks, just glass no plastic, no drinking water, the ice cream choices were only vanilla/strawberry/chocolate/neopolitan and maybe rocky road, chips were only plain, ruffles, fritos, or BBQ, there were no barcodes only price stickers, no nutrition labels, no microwave instructions, only oreo or hydrox, no expiration dates, no plastic bags, no security cameras, no self-serve checkout.

leoh 2y ago
Amen

WalterBright 2y ago

The Air Force didn't let kids into the base supermarket if they were too big to sit in the shopping cart, and under 10. So I had to hang out in front while my mom shopped. Eventually I turned 10 and got a military ID and could go into the supermarket. My mom would buy a huge pile of groceries (because it was a bit of a drive to the base and she only shopped every 2 weeks), and the cashier's fingers would just fly over the mechanical keyboard. I'm surprised their fingers didn't bleed from doing that all day. The laser scanners are sooo much better. Can you imagine these days leaving your six year old outside while you shopped?

leoh 2y ago

This is one of my favorite poems