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They cant produce the warrant, they were out of jurisdiction, they raided the wrong house after being given the correct address 5 times. This was not just some

They cant produce the warrant, they were out of jurisdiction, they raided the wrong house after being given the correct address 5 times. This was not just some weedeater, I'm sure it belonged to a family member of one of the cops. Seriously, most car thefts go un investigated. Am I really being asked to believe a warrant and nighttime raid was ordered over a hedge trimmer?

pseudolus 2y ago
The weed eater apparently belonged to a local "judge-executive".
- uberman 2y ago
  What a shocking revelation.
ncr100 2y ago
Interesting how cops get off, seemingly reliably, in cases like this. Sure we need protection that the law provides via protectors like police. But this is stupid in practice. Not what we need. So it should be changed. Punishment seems crucial to affect change.
- c0nducktr 2y ago
  The police murdered a man, and if we were to pretend we didn't have a multi-tiered justice system, every officer could get charged with murder too, as they were accomplices during the act. But of course nothing will change because they only killed a normal person.
refulgentis 2y ago
> Seriously, most car thefts go un investigated. This isn't true > Am I really being asked to believe a warrant and nighttime raid was ordered over a hedge trimmer? Yes, in fact, you say directly right before you'd like us to assume so, and assume that there was special attention to this case because someone important asked for it. That seems reasonable. The rest...not sure what you mean by "nighttime" or "raid" here. Multiple cops doesn't imply what people generally would understand by " raid". By default, due to safety protocols, there are multiple cops. The edge case is when there's one, you're extremely cooperative, and it's a minor infraction. I've watched too many police body cam videos, if its anything outside of that, they call for backup immediately. I'd bet $1000 it was a search warrant served over a weed eater that had particular interest to a powerful figure, yet that it was all standard behavior. Occam's razor here is what I see over and over again on bodycams: police protocols are designed to keep cops safe, and the proliferation of handguns creates charged situations that don't need to exist.
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- uberman 2y ago
  The article directly calls it a raid. It also says the raid happened at 11:55pm. Also only 10% of auto thefts result in an actual police investigation.
  - refulgentis 2y ago
    Nah Mandela Effect: the article you read / source you read said 10% were solved, not that 10% were investigated. To wit: Title: Big Rise In US Car Thefts Date: January 24th, 2024 Link: https://www.newsweek.com/car-theft-rise-fbi-council-criminal-justice-annual-report-2023-1863972 https://www.newsweek.com/car-theft-rise-fbi-council-criminal... "The "clearance rate" or rate of solving car thefts, has dropped from 26 percent in 1964 to 9 percent in 2022. In comparison, the 2022 clearance rate was 12 percent for larceny and 13 percent for burglary. The homicide clearance rate in 2022 was about 50 percent."
- mindslight 2y ago
  > the proliferation of handguns creates charged situations that don't need to exist. This is an excellent point. If there isn't the political will to end sovereign/qualified immunity, then we should reduce the immediate damage that it does by ending this proliferation of guns to municipal police. When the rare situation does end up escalating into armed resistance, the local police can call in a special state police unit. That state police unit will have better training on respect for firearms, containment, and deescalation. And a second chain of command will serve as an additional check on the situation.

pseudolus 2y ago

The weed eater apparently belonged to a local "judge-executive".

uberman 2y ago
What a shocking revelation.

ncr100 2y ago

Interesting how cops get off, seemingly reliably, in cases like this. Sure we need protection that the law provides via protectors like police. But this is stupid in practice. Not what we need. So it should be changed. Punishment seems crucial to affect change.

c0nducktr 2y ago
The police murdered a man, and if we were to pretend we didn't have a multi-tiered justice system, every officer could get charged with murder too, as they were accomplices during the act. But of course nothing will change because they only killed a normal person.

refulgentis 2y ago

> Seriously, most car thefts go un investigated. This isn't true > Am I really being asked to believe a warrant and nighttime raid was ordered over a hedge trimmer? Yes, in fact, you say directly right before you'd like us to assume so, and assume that there was special attention to this case because someone important asked for it. That seems reasonable. The rest...not sure what you mean by "nighttime" or "raid" here. Multiple cops doesn't imply what people generally would understand by " raid". By default, due to safety protocols, there are multiple cops. The edge case is when there's one, you're extremely cooperative, and it's a minor infraction. I've watched too many police body cam videos, if its anything outside of that, they call for backup immediately. I'd bet $1000 it was a search warrant served over a weed eater that had particular interest to a powerful figure, yet that it was all standard behavior. Occam's razor here is what I see over and over again on bodycams: police protocols are designed to keep cops safe, and the proliferation of handguns creates charged situations that don't need to exist.

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uberman 2y ago
The article directly calls it a raid. It also says the raid happened at 11:55pm. Also only 10% of auto thefts result in an actual police investigation.
- refulgentis 2y ago
  Nah Mandela Effect: the article you read / source you read said 10% were solved, not that 10% were investigated. To wit: Title: Big Rise In US Car Thefts Date: January 24th, 2024 Link: https://www.newsweek.com/car-theft-rise-fbi-council-criminal-justice-annual-report-2023-1863972 https://www.newsweek.com/car-theft-rise-fbi-council-criminal... "The "clearance rate" or rate of solving car thefts, has dropped from 26 percent in 1964 to 9 percent in 2022. In comparison, the 2022 clearance rate was 12 percent for larceny and 13 percent for burglary. The homicide clearance rate in 2022 was about 50 percent."
mindslight 2y ago
> the proliferation of handguns creates charged situations that don't need to exist. This is an excellent point. If there isn't the political will to end sovereign/qualified immunity, then we should reduce the immediate damage that it does by ending this proliferation of guns to municipal police. When the rare situation does end up escalating into armed resistance, the local police can call in a special state police unit. That state police unit will have better training on respect for firearms, containment, and deescalation. And a second chain of command will serve as an additional check on the situation.