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Kentucky Cops Raid Wrong Home, Kill Innocent Man over Alleged Stolen Weed Eater

43 points by pseudolus 2y ago

gnabgib 2y ago
Original source: https://www.wkyt.com/2024/12/27/did-officers-go-wrong-home-deadly-kentucky-police-shooting/ https://www.wkyt.com/2024/12/27/did-officers-go-wrong-home-d...
purpleidea 2y ago
If this were real journalism, I'd want a profile of the person they killed-- was he a former government employee? Was he a Boeing whistleblower? Was he involved in something? Not to be suspicious, but we should be thorough. It's too weird to have such accidental murders.
- alphabettsy 2y ago
  How’s it too weird? Seems to happen at least once a year somewhere in the U.S.
  - readthenotes1 2y ago
    Since ~1162 were killed by police in the USA, odds are pretty good this happens at least once a year. I would be surprised if it's not once a week... https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-de...
- K0balt 2y ago
  I’m with you on that. Probably nothing, just everyday lethal abuse of power, but it’s always a good idea to look a little deeper. Incompetence is king, but sometimes Machiavelli hides in the shadow of incompetence.
uberman 2y ago
They cant produce the warrant, they were out of jurisdiction, they raided the wrong house after being given the correct address 5 times. This was not just some weedeater, I'm sure it belonged to a family member of one of the cops. Seriously, most car thefts go un investigated. Am I really being asked to believe a warrant and nighttime raid was ordered over a hedge trimmer?
- pseudolus 2y ago
  The weed eater apparently belonged to a local "judge-executive".
  - uberman 2y ago
    What a shocking revelation.
- ncr100 2y ago
  Interesting how cops get off, seemingly reliably, in cases like this. Sure we need protection that the law provides via protectors like police. But this is stupid in practice. Not what we need. So it should be changed. Punishment seems crucial to affect change.
  - c0nducktr 2y ago
    The police murdered a man, and if we were to pretend we didn't have a multi-tiered justice system, every officer could get charged with murder too, as they were accomplices during the act. But of course nothing will change because they only killed a normal person.
- refulgentis 2y ago
  > Seriously, most car thefts go un investigated. This isn't true > Am I really being asked to believe a warrant and nighttime raid was ordered over a hedge trimmer? Yes, in fact, you say directly right before you'd like us to assume so, and assume that there was special attention to this case because someone important asked for it. That seems reasonable. The rest...not sure what you mean by "nighttime" or "raid" here. Multiple cops doesn't imply what people generally would understand by " raid". By default, due to safety protocols, there are multiple cops. The edge case is when there's one, you're extremely cooperative, and it's a minor infraction. I've watched too many police body cam videos, if its anything outside of that, they call for backup immediately. I'd bet $1000 it was a search warrant served over a weed eater that had particular interest to a powerful figure, yet that it was all standard behavior. Occam's razor here is what I see over and over again on bodycams: police protocols are designed to keep cops safe, and the proliferation of handguns creates charged situations that don't need to exist.
jmward01 2y ago
Not much technology related to this issue. Maybe we can steer the direction that way at least? How about this: Are guns more effective at quickly subduing people than other methods? Basically: Why shoot if it is less effective at stopping/slowing down someone than technology x and what is technology x?
- riwsky 2y ago
  Weed eaters hack grass; next question.
root_axis 2y ago
Terrible story. Not terribly uncommon. Doesn't seem on topic for HN though.
- dylan604 2y ago
  what ever. it's a local new source reporting on an event from a not-local incident. they probably only covered it because their corporate overlord pushed it as a must carry. however, it's an incredibly fucked up situation that in and of itself is newsworthy even if it wasn't a corporate push. all sorts of police injustice is covered and discussed quite frequently on HN. you need to readjust your settings a bit I think
  - root_axis 2y ago
    > it's an incredibly fucked up situation Agreed. > all sorts of police injustice is covered and discussed quite frequently on HN Not really. Most of this type of news is off topic. Looks like this too since it's now flagged.
dylan604 2y ago
so so many questions, but the one that I just can't shake is how in the world does a stolen weed eater warrant a home raid of the suspect? although it reads like my use of the word warrant was the only valid warrant related to the entire story.
- choilive 2y ago
  No police dept would put that amount of resources for a weed whacker. Someone politically powerful got some stuff stolen out of their shed and pulled some strings to make this happen.
mindslight 2y ago
I'll say it until I'm blue in the face: this idea that police can perform a surprise (night time) home invasion and then summarily execute you for exercising your natural right to self defense is the most pressing second amendment issue of our time. Perhaps the NRA could actually say something here, as this time the victim wasn't black. Of course that's probably being way too hopeful.
- c0nducktr 2y ago
  Agreed. If the state can get away with your murder because you defended yourself during a home invasion, what is the purpose of the 2nd?

43 points by pseudolus 2y ago

Original source: https://www.wkyt.com/2024/12/27/did-officers-go-wrong-home-deadly-kentucky-police-shooting/ https://www.wkyt.com/2024/12/27/did-officers-go-wrong-home-d...

purpleidea 2y ago

If this were real journalism, I'd want a profile of the person they killed-- was he a former government employee? Was he a Boeing whistleblower? Was he involved in something? Not to be suspicious, but we should be thorough. It's too weird to have such accidental murders.

alphabettsy 2y ago
How’s it too weird? Seems to happen at least once a year somewhere in the U.S.
- readthenotes1 2y ago
  Since ~1162 were killed by police in the USA, odds are pretty good this happens at least once a year. I would be surprised if it's not once a week... https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-de...
K0balt 2y ago
I’m with you on that. Probably nothing, just everyday lethal abuse of power, but it’s always a good idea to look a little deeper. Incompetence is king, but sometimes Machiavelli hides in the shadow of incompetence.

uberman 2y ago

They cant produce the warrant, they were out of jurisdiction, they raided the wrong house after being given the correct address 5 times. This was not just some weedeater, I'm sure it belonged to a family member of one of the cops. Seriously, most car thefts go un investigated. Am I really being asked to believe a warrant and nighttime raid was ordered over a hedge trimmer?

pseudolus 2y ago
The weed eater apparently belonged to a local "judge-executive".
- uberman 2y ago
  What a shocking revelation.
ncr100 2y ago
Interesting how cops get off, seemingly reliably, in cases like this. Sure we need protection that the law provides via protectors like police. But this is stupid in practice. Not what we need. So it should be changed. Punishment seems crucial to affect change.
- c0nducktr 2y ago
  The police murdered a man, and if we were to pretend we didn't have a multi-tiered justice system, every officer could get charged with murder too, as they were accomplices during the act. But of course nothing will change because they only killed a normal person.
refulgentis 2y ago
> Seriously, most car thefts go un investigated. This isn't true > Am I really being asked to believe a warrant and nighttime raid was ordered over a hedge trimmer? Yes, in fact, you say directly right before you'd like us to assume so, and assume that there was special attention to this case because someone important asked for it. That seems reasonable. The rest...not sure what you mean by "nighttime" or "raid" here. Multiple cops doesn't imply what people generally would understand by " raid". By default, due to safety protocols, there are multiple cops. The edge case is when there's one, you're extremely cooperative, and it's a minor infraction. I've watched too many police body cam videos, if its anything outside of that, they call for backup immediately. I'd bet $1000 it was a search warrant served over a weed eater that had particular interest to a powerful figure, yet that it was all standard behavior. Occam's razor here is what I see over and over again on bodycams: police protocols are designed to keep cops safe, and the proliferation of handguns creates charged situations that don't need to exist.

jmward01 2y ago

Not much technology related to this issue. Maybe we can steer the direction that way at least? How about this: Are guns more effective at quickly subduing people than other methods? Basically: Why shoot if it is less effective at stopping/slowing down someone than technology x and what is technology x?

riwsky 2y ago
Weed eaters hack grass; next question.

root_axis 2y ago

Terrible story. Not terribly uncommon. Doesn't seem on topic for HN though.

dylan604 2y ago
what ever. it's a local new source reporting on an event from a not-local incident. they probably only covered it because their corporate overlord pushed it as a must carry. however, it's an incredibly fucked up situation that in and of itself is newsworthy even if it wasn't a corporate push. all sorts of police injustice is covered and discussed quite frequently on HN. you need to readjust your settings a bit I think
- root_axis 2y ago
  > it's an incredibly fucked up situation Agreed. > all sorts of police injustice is covered and discussed quite frequently on HN Not really. Most of this type of news is off topic. Looks like this too since it's now flagged.

dylan604 2y ago

so so many questions, but the one that I just can't shake is how in the world does a stolen weed eater warrant a home raid of the suspect? although it reads like my use of the word warrant was the only valid warrant related to the entire story.

choilive 2y ago
No police dept would put that amount of resources for a weed whacker. Someone politically powerful got some stuff stolen out of their shed and pulled some strings to make this happen.

mindslight 2y ago

I'll say it until I'm blue in the face: this idea that police can perform a surprise (night time) home invasion and then summarily execute you for exercising your natural right to self defense is the most pressing second amendment issue of our time. Perhaps the NRA could actually say something here, as this time the victim wasn't black. Of course that's probably being way too hopeful.

c0nducktr 2y ago
Agreed. If the state can get away with your murder because you defended yourself during a home invasion, what is the purpose of the 2nd?