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$5 is practically nothing. $2 is just not worth the cost of the CC charge. I think it’s really convenient that you can pay for extra searches, as you never hav

by Aeolun 2y ago

$5 is practically nothing. $2 is just not worth the cost of the CC charge. I think it’s really convenient that you can pay for extra searches, as you never have to worry about actually running out. They also need to be able to pay for the servers that run searches.

wrasee 2y ago
> $5 is practically nothing That’s quite a privileged thing to say. This forum is read by folk all across the world and I would say that it’s up to each individual to say how much $5 means to them.
- rrr_oh_man 2y ago
  Don’t get offended on behalf of other people
  - wrasee 2y ago
    I’m not. I’m pushing back against folk that forget not everyone thinks the same as them. That “$5 is practically nothing” reads like a statement of fact, which is obviously ridiculous depending on where you’re from. And yes, it definitely has a “let them eat cake” vibe which is absolutely worth a push back.
- Aeolun 2y ago
  $5 was barely anything even when I was a student. Sure, there’s places in the world where it’s still a lot of money, but (good) search is a valuable service. Google proves that. If someone does not want to pay $5 then they’re perfectly within their rights to do so, but saying it’s “a lot of money” feels like pinching pennies. By comparison to any other plan that’s practically the lowest you’ll ever see.
wkat4242 2y ago
$5 is nothing for Americans. Here in Spain with much lower purchasing power it's considerable and there's VAT added too.
- carlosjobim 2y ago
  So how long do you usually consider whether you're spending $5 or not?
  - wkat4242 2y ago
    It's not about how long, it's about how often you decide not to do it. Which for me is pretty often. $5 is not one coffee here. It's about 4 coffees in a coffee bar. And that $5 is without VAT so that's enough for another coffee :) So basically it's a whole working week of morning coffees. To put it into perspective. This is why I think it has more chance to take off in America than here. Though northern European countries do have a lot more money.
    - Melatonic 2y ago
      That totally makes sense. If we are estimating your purchasing power at 1/4x mine (I'm located in California and make decent money but not tech industry type money) I can see paying 40$ for the unlimited tier being much more of a consideration. What does keep me paying personally though are three things: 1. I use search constantly for my job (and personal life) and Kagi makes me much more efficient compared to Google for both. I could easily filter out most ads for free with other tools - the ad free nature of Kagi is more of a plus on top personally than a main selling point. 2. While I generally avoid subscriptions 10$ per month is very little spread over days worked in a month. I comparatively probably spend much more for other things that benefit my job and personal life and bet you do too (better laptop - more reliable internet - etc etc). Even at 40$ a month (given your example) I would imagine it's a net benefit in terms of time savings per hour vs salary earned. 3. They are very transparent about new features and bugs fixed and blog updates and also are adding new features at a very impressive pace. There are lots of little things added that improve the experience and I don't see them buying into trends just for hype - everything's seems highly useful. I also mostly drink loose leaf tea at home which can be either a hell of a lot cheaper than a daily coffee shop visit in either of our countries (mid tier tea in bulk) or a hell of a lot more expensive (fancy tea bought from smaller vendors). If I am ever going through a financial down period I can easily see myself choosing to go exclusively with the cheap bulk tea and keeping Kagi - total cost per work day for both would less than 50 cents USD / day.
physicsguy 2y ago
Problem isn't that $5 is expensive (in most of the Western World) it's that $5 for the 10 hot tools this month starts to add up to a lot. The US is also a huge outlier in salaries compared to the rest of the western world.

by Aeolun 2y ago

wrasee 2y ago

> $5 is practically nothing That’s quite a privileged thing to say. This forum is read by folk all across the world and I would say that it’s up to each individual to say how much $5 means to them.

rrr_oh_man 2y ago
Don’t get offended on behalf of other people
- wrasee 2y ago
  I’m not. I’m pushing back against folk that forget not everyone thinks the same as them. That “$5 is practically nothing” reads like a statement of fact, which is obviously ridiculous depending on where you’re from. And yes, it definitely has a “let them eat cake” vibe which is absolutely worth a push back.
Aeolun 2y ago
$5 was barely anything even when I was a student. Sure, there’s places in the world where it’s still a lot of money, but (good) search is a valuable service. Google proves that. If someone does not want to pay $5 then they’re perfectly within their rights to do so, but saying it’s “a lot of money” feels like pinching pennies. By comparison to any other plan that’s practically the lowest you’ll ever see.

wkat4242 2y ago

$5 is nothing for Americans. Here in Spain with much lower purchasing power it's considerable and there's VAT added too.

carlosjobim 2y ago
So how long do you usually consider whether you're spending $5 or not?
- wkat4242 2y ago
  It's not about how long, it's about how often you decide not to do it. Which for me is pretty often. $5 is not one coffee here. It's about 4 coffees in a coffee bar. And that $5 is without VAT so that's enough for another coffee :) So basically it's a whole working week of morning coffees. To put it into perspective. This is why I think it has more chance to take off in America than here. Though northern European countries do have a lot more money.
  - Melatonic 2y ago
    That totally makes sense. If we are estimating your purchasing power at 1/4x mine (I'm located in California and make decent money but not tech industry type money) I can see paying 40$ for the unlimited tier being much more of a consideration. What does keep me paying personally though are three things: 1. I use search constantly for my job (and personal life) and Kagi makes me much more efficient compared to Google for both. I could easily filter out most ads for free with other tools - the ad free nature of Kagi is more of a plus on top personally than a main selling point. 2. While I generally avoid subscriptions 10$ per month is very little spread over days worked in a month. I comparatively probably spend much more for other things that benefit my job and personal life and bet you do too (better laptop - more reliable internet - etc etc). Even at 40$ a month (given your example) I would imagine it's a net benefit in terms of time savings per hour vs salary earned. 3. They are very transparent about new features and bugs fixed and blog updates and also are adding new features at a very impressive pace. There are lots of little things added that improve the experience and I don't see them buying into trends just for hype - everything's seems highly useful. I also mostly drink loose leaf tea at home which can be either a hell of a lot cheaper than a daily coffee shop visit in either of our countries (mid tier tea in bulk) or a hell of a lot more expensive (fancy tea bought from smaller vendors). If I am ever going through a financial down period I can easily see myself choosing to go exclusively with the cheap bulk tea and keeping Kagi - total cost per work day for both would less than 50 cents USD / day.

physicsguy 2y ago

Problem isn't that $5 is expensive (in most of the Western World) it's that $5 for the 10 hot tools this month starts to add up to a lot. The US is also a huge outlier in salaries compared to the rest of the western world.