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Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN?
by sidcool 2y ago
Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN?
- bpodgursky 2y ago[flagged]
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- agumonkey 2y agoa self answering question if there's one
- bparsons 2y ago[flagged]
- bilvar 2y ago[flagged]
- grumple 2y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany
- bilvar 2y ago[flagged]
- dang 2y agoCould you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly—not just in this thread, but in many threads, e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42058962 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42058962 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41853161 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41853161. We have to ban account that post like this, so if you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
- bilvar 2y agoI wish you were that meticulous with your ideological brethren as well. You don't have to ban anyone, you simply choose to ban people based on your personal preferences and/or which side of the bed you woke up today. And that's alright as this is a privately owned site, but stop with the hypocrisy please.
- dang 2y agoI understand why it feels that way, but it's not true. I have no idea what your ideological preferences are. Whatever they are, I promise you we've banned lots of people you disagree with, just the same as we've banned people who are on your side. We're not interested in sides here.
- rjahgh 2y ago[flagged]
- vdupras 2y agoIsn't it basically the only logical conclusion at this point? If you don't like Musk, you don't like Tesla. If you like Musk, you believe what he says, and what he's been saying during his ascension to the White House is that EVs are trash. Aren't Teslas EVs?
- bilvar 2y agoWhen did Musk say that EVs are trash?
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> When did Musk say that EVs are trash? Politics is transitive. What Musk says is less relevant than what he does; what he's done is given anti-EV interests power. (In exchange for gaining his own.)
- bilvar 2y agoThat's rather an expansive and imaginative interpretation of the facts at hand.
- kbelder 2y agoThat's too binary. You can dislike Musk without disliking Tesla, and vice versa. I think it's rather pointless to avoid companies led by people with politics I dislike, because that is nearly all of them. Hell, I wouldn't have been able to see a movie or watch a TV show for years.
- vdupras 2y agoOf course, anything is possible, but your opinion then becomes fringe. I'm trying to answer to the parent's question, which was about general sentiment rather than fringe opinions.
- jp42 2y ago[flagged]
- secretmark 2y agoMost people's opinion of Elon, good or bad, is directly informed by his Xeets
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- s1artibartfast 2y agoI think the point is that they are informed by MSM and reddit reporting on his tweets.
- johnsimer 2y agoCorrect. MSM+reddit reporting of Elon’s tweets is very different from his tweets themselves
- atarian 2y ago>The mainstream media narrative does shape general public opinion, even for the smarter folks If that’s true then everyone should be hating Luigi Mangione by now.
- chvid 2y agoMost business leaders are smart enough not to talk politics because they understand how politics works (divides people) and is contrary to their business.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> they understand how politics works (divides people) More than that: it's human nature to identify lines of disagreement when observing within your in group. You and I might agree on 99 things, but we will suss out–with preternatural efficiency–the one we disagree on. (Again, if we identify as being in the same group. Travel to a foreign country and you'll notice similarities.) Taking public positions on anything tends to leave some people happy, most people uninterested and a lot of people furious. It's why experienced politicians tend to have a few drums they beat--the ones who are undiscplined get weeded out. Musk takes a position on everything.
- jayd16 2y agoAs the face of the company, Elon continues to make it political. As a Tesla owner myself I'm annoyed by his politics, both personal and as it relates to labor and manufacturing. The FSD promises continue to underwhelm. The prices have not gone down. I personally wish Carplay/Android Auto were supported. Cybertrucks are polarizing stylistically. Lots of reasons to not want a Tesla these days. Fewer and fewer reasons to root for them.
- swarnie 2y agoFrom a UK perspective its where all the BMW drivers ended up; Universal bellends, a danger to be around. I'm sure most the country at large don't know/care about X.com/Election stuff.
- jazzyjackson 2y agoIt's not just HN I don't know if you've somehow avoided seeing him in the news buddying up with the Trump administration + the German nationalist party AfD (Alternative für Deutschland)
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> Why's there so much hate for Tesla here on HN? Musk has become a partisan brand. I'd guess HN tends classically liberal (whether left-liberal or libertarian). That and apolitical.
- fckgw 2y agoI just think they're bad cars. The "minimalist interior" is just a way to cheap out on features and they're not built that great. Hyundai or Rivian have some great EV offerings for same price or cheaper.
- orourkek 2y agoHyundai might have some great EV offerings that are cheaper, but Rivian does not have anything even close in terms of price, unless you only consider Plaid models. You can get a used model 3 for $20k now, which is good value if you put aside politics & CEO.
- lotsofpulp 2y agoHyundai does not have the track record Tesla does. The best part about Tesla is the buying experience. While Musk's personal conduct is less than desirable, doing business with a dealership affects me far more.
- bdangubic 2y agothis is blantantly false. you cannot sell this many “bad” cars to start with. people can say whatever they want about elon politically or otherwise but the cars themselves are fucking awesome. and not only that, the supercharger network takes all the anxiety of owning ANY OTHER EV completely out of the equation. my wife has a non-Tesla EV and every longer trip basically is a project where she needs to prepare for where she will stop, what she will do if there are 11 cars waiting there (happened before)… I drive a 2014 Tesla S and the last thing on my mind (even with a battery which is now at like 90%) is where I will charge the car. would not take rivian if someone gave it to me for free and same with hyundai. even luxury-side EVs (Audi eTron, BMW i7…) can’t hold water to Tesla (and number of cars sold tells a simple story…)
- ternnoburn 2y agoPlenty of independent, valid reasons to dislike the guy. Some of them are purely political. Some have nothing to do with politics. You might not agree or value these, but that isn't the same as them being invalid: 1) he's an anti-trans right winger. If you aren't, you might dislike him. 2) he's boastful and prideful, which some people find irritating. 3) he lies, constantly about the capabilities and timeliness of his companies. If you are excited about EVs or space or tunnel boring you might dislike the hype->reality->hype cycle. 4) guy is... kinda just an asshole online? 5) if you believe billionaires are fundamentally people who got their money exploitatively, you'll dislike musk. 6) you might disagree with his stewardship of key technologies in space or evs. He's made prioritization decisions one might disagree with. 7) he made high speed rail in California more difficult through the hyperloop nonsense 8) he's anti worker and anti union, and many people here are workers or union members and find the way he treats his employees as unethical. 9) he's has a history of having many children out of wedlock, and kinda ignoring those children and women 10) he has positions about birth rates that could be just esoteric or could be great replacement theory racism and it's unclear which is true. Probably many reasons beyond these. If someone believes one of these, they might leave a pretty tepid comment. If someone believes multiple of these, odds are good they'll see Musk as a villain.
- ikrenji 2y ago11, for an immigrant who overstayed their visa he sure has some spicy views on immigration
- FloorEgg 2y ago[flagged]
- matwood 2y agoThis comment makes no sense. Musk is one of the, if not most, powerful people in the world. He's also the richest person and owns one of the main propagandist machines out there. Public sentiment is skewed negatively by his own words and obvious selfish hypocrisy. For example, "free speech" has become a running joke at this point.
- FloorEgg 2y ago[flagged]
- loudmax 2y agoThe hate is for Musk. Tesla hate is just collateral damage. People tolerated Musk's narcissism when he was largely apolitical and his entrepreneurship seemed to benefiting the world at large. Since 2020, Musk's brain seems to have been pretty severely infected by the woke/anti-woke mind-virus, and it's far less clear that his impact on the world is an unmitigated good thing.
- nolok 2y agoSame reason there is so much love for Tesla here on HN. It's polarizing, and its CEO even more, to the point people lose the ability to have an opinion beside totally awesome or entirely terrible. Myself I think the cars are bland inside for their aim of luxury, the driving assists is terrible for its aimed goal, but the overall car is okay. Except their most recent rust bucket which is clearly a meme car and I don't know why they went ahead with that.
- light_hue_1 2y agoHated for Tesla isn't here on HN. It's out in the world. Back even 5 years ago the brand was crazy hot. Everyone loved it. People at work, driving around, students on campus would stop me to ask about it. There was nothing else you could drive that signaled you cared about the environment and wanted to do something about it. Now, the brand is completely toxic. People talk about it apologetically. No one is proud or happy to own one. The best anyone says now is that there was nothing else good on the market at the time or they bought it before. Heck. My wife loves our Tesla. Never wanted to drive anything else. We were going to keep buying them until the end of time. She now refuses to buy another one. If you told me a few years ago that in a few months I'll be buying a VW instead of a Tesla I would have thought you were crazy. Really, in my circles it's gone from a positive signal to an embarrassing negative one at best.
- jarsin 2y agoKind of like twitter too
- paulddraper 2y agoFor "no one is proud or happy to see one" I sure see a lot of cybertrucks.
- idk1 2y agoThe CEO of Tesla has just called for the UK govenment to free one of the UK's most prominent far-right activists Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon (also known as Tommy Robinson) from prison.
- johnsimer 2y ago[flagged]
- glenndebacker 2y agoMusk has an affinity for figures like this, and he even had some interactions with this particular individual, who is less well-known. https://www.politico.eu/article/belgium-far-right-prodigy-dries-van-langenhove-prison-term-incite-violence-deny-holocaust/ https://www.politico.eu/article/belgium-far-right-prodigy-dr... Musk tried to frame the situation as if the person was sentenced for sharing memes, but the reality involved more serious charges, including weapons-related offenses. The same applies to the AFD. In 2022, a group called "Patriotische Union" plotted a coup to overthrow the German government, and several AFD figures were involved in the plan. To now seem him fanboying over AFD is nuts.
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- lelandbatey 2y agoAll it took for me was renting their vehicle to drive and finding that the controls for everything we're terrible, just awful to use while trying to operate a vehicle. Turning on the windshield wipers? Gotta fill out your taxes on the touch screen. Changing the direction of the AC? Don't look at the road, look at our "fancy animated widget for changing which way the air blows". It was shockingly poorly thought out and a total bandaid over them cheaping out just having buttons for things you'll do every time you drive. Driving their cars is what made me hate their cars.
- AnotherGoodName 2y agoDid you try the very latest models that don't have an indicator stalk? Not even kidding on this one either. If you thought removing the wiper stalk was bad try the latest Tesla models! No indicator stalk! I wouldn't be surprised at all if US politics was far lesser of an impact than the actual car itself.
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- underseacables 2y agoIMHO: politics, and irritation at his personality and disruption. He has been the driver of some pretty amazing things, but that makes some people jealous or just bitter.
- archagon 2y agoSelf-driving is a bucket of lies and a travesty with regard to safety and ethics when compared to something like Waymo. Lots of questionable design decisions clearly coming from the top, such as capacitive/touch controls for everything (turn signals? horn?!) and, well, the entire Cybertruck. Mediocre build quality. Dated body designs. Lack of CarPlay. Comically overvalued stock. The CEO’s repulsive politics and behavior.
- davesque 2y agoI'm not just trolling when I say, is that a serious question? Like, really. How could you live in this day and age and legitimately wonder why many people on HN wouldn't like Tesla?