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Blackcandy: Self hosted music streaming server

697 points by nateb2022 2y ago

j0057 2y ago
I run multiple minidlna instances in Podman and let BubbleUPNP connect to them through Wireguard. Getting the multicast discovery to work was a bit challenging.
- pmlnr 2y ago
  This is by far the nicest solution out there. All the others, plex, etc are resource hogs that want to transcode everything, unlike minidlna, which can run on a router, if needed, without docker, or all that jazz. People might not like it because bubbleupnp is not open source, but it's a very nice piece of software nonetheless.
  - j0057 2y ago
    BubbleUPNP is so nice that I emailed the author to please consider taking yearly payments instead of the very lenient one-time price of less than €10.
- majkinetor 2y ago
  Any tutorial or links on this?
  - j0057 2y ago
    Not at the moment - this would be a good topic for a blog I've been meaning to set up for 10+ years now.
bitvoid 2y ago
I've been using Plex (connecting via Tailscale) with their Plexamp music player. It's been working pretty well, but I might have to give this a try to compare. Although, it's not clear from the GitHub README or the Apple App Store listing if the mobile app allows you to download music for offline listening.
- aorth 2y ago
  Same, but Jellyfin.
  - amiga386 2y ago
    Jellyfin and Finamp https://github.com/jmshrv/finamp https://github.com/jmshrv/finamp
    - meonkeys 2y ago
      Finamp redesign beta is stable and awesome.
    - branon 2y ago
      Finamp is amazing, blows anything else out of the water
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - gosub100 2y ago
    I tred it with Emby but I had so much music, it slowed down the search engine noticeably.
- gbraad 2y ago
  Pretty much the same here; - Cloudflare tunnel for public access - Tailscale for private use and sharing over WebDAV - Nextcloud for general file management - Jellyfin for music and video streaming Have this running in containers: https://github.com/gbraad-homelab https://github.com/gbraad-homelab. Nextcloud's WebDAV has issues with filenames or at least how it works. A large amount of files in non-'standard' characters wouldn't show up, so Ampache/Subsonic wouldn't work. This is why I tried Jellyfin.
- urbandw311er 2y ago
  Same here - Plexamp is working out great for self hosted music on-the-go. Was happy to contribute the small amount towards development.
sphars 2y ago
I've been using Navidrome to great success, but will look into this. Any particular differences between the two?
geepytee 2y ago
Never crossed my mind to self host my own music streaming server, great idea!
- meonkeys 2y ago
  Music is straightforward to self-host. Go for it! Video can be a bit harder if you have to transcode.
- prmoustache 2y ago
  It is really only a thing because smartphone OS vendor make it difficult for people to mount filesystem over the network. If you could ssh/sftp mount from android or iOS easily, your favorite smartphone audio player would just play those files from a remount mount without any need of a streaming server.
monkaiju 2y ago
Longtime Navidrome user so that's what I'm comparing this to. This project looks cool, albeit simple at this point, but what I'd really love is a solution for music discovery for folks who self host their collection. Is there something that sets this project apart from other easily self hostable tools?
- zenoprax 2y ago
  Yes, I'm also interested in this project but Navidrome does a great job alongside Jellyfin and Audiobookshelf. A great trio.
  - mxuribe 2y ago
    Hey @hebocon I've been using jellyfin for both music and movies for close to a year...but keep hearing of navidrome (for music) as well. So, can i assume that you don't really use jellyfin for music, and instead use navidrome for that? How does that work for you? Any issues of interference, etc? I guess if i wanted jellyfin only for movies/tv, i could point it only at the folder where such media is saved, and then separately manage music via navidrome...but wondered what the benefits would be? Genuinely curious if you woiuld kindly share more info about your setup. Thanks! :-)
    - zenoprax 2y ago
      I set up JF for music first, then added Navidrome. I then added Moode for my separate stereo speakers and Home Assistant too. Never had an issue with everything having access at the same time.
      - mxuribe 2y ago
        Good to know! Thanks for sharing!
  - loughnane 2y ago
    This is my stack too. Initially tried to stuff everything into jellyfin (and plex before that) but am confident this is the best stack today.
loxias 2y ago
Wow! Complete with custom mobile player! That's quite a ways up from "set up a ssh tunnel home and use vlc", I may have to take this for a spin.
acidburnNSA 2y ago
I've been using mopidy plus Snapcast to do this (via wireguard when remote) and have enjoyed it. Good multi-room, multi-site audio.
emmanueloga_ 2y ago
I’ve been searching for services that host personal music collections, but there doesn’t seem to be much available. I came across a product called Vox [1], which I might try. There are also plenty of self-hosted projects of varying quality (but I hadn’t seen Black Candy before). I'd like a service where I can upload a large folder of MP3s, and it would help organize them into albums, perform useful processing like ReplayGain normalization, BPM and key analysis, etc. It should also have a good playlist manager and player for desktop and mobile. Some existing services allow you to add your own music files, like MP3s, but this often feels like a second-class citizen. Services like SoundCloud are focused more on social interactions, which I don’t really need. Have I missed any services like this? There's some growing dissatisfaction around algorithm-driven music services like Spotify. Also, these services carry the risk of music disappearing for various reasons. I think a service allowing curation of own MP3 collections could appeal a significant fraction of all music lovers out there. -- 1: https://vox.rocks/ https://vox.rocks/
- c0kezer0 2y ago
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- system33- 2y ago
  Subsonic and airsonic (the latter is a fork of the former).
- skuzzie 2y ago
  I’ve been wanting the same thing for a while now too. I’ve thought about trying to build it myself but the thought of requiring users to manage their own library seems too niche. A hosted, music-focused Plex competitor sounds awesome but also not sustainable. Surely the majority of those users who care about managing their music library are also happier owning their storage too, no?
  - emmanueloga_ 2y ago
    Storage is tricky... I know how to self-host software and get storage but I find it too much of a hassle to do it for me only, so I just have a folder in a google drive, which I need to migrate from soonish. Why do you think a Plex competitor would not be sustainable?
dcreater 2y ago
I'm about to use my existing jellyfin setup. Amy advantage here over jellyfin?
- loughnane 2y ago
  Not op but I’ve been running jellyfin for a few years. At least 2 years ago when I tried it for my music it felt clunky . I haven’t checked since but I encourage you to feel out the experience with a few albums, playlists, carplay, &c before going all in. Fwiw I ended up using Navidrome m as a server, beets to manage metadata, and play:sub on mobile.
akurtzhs 2y ago
If you’re willing to pay for proprietary software, I’ve been incredibly happy with Roon for music organization. Handles 99% of albums I add without an issue, great multi-room support, best suggestions of any existing service (Rest in peace Google Play Music). They added remote streaming a few years ago and it’s all I use now.
- Semaphor 2y ago
  Note that it is a $12.49 subscription, or $829.99 one-time. So you really need to love its featureset.
  - diggan 2y ago
    That's some serious price. If you're a professional music maker and need top-of-the-line audio production software, Ableton 12 Suite is ~600 EUR, and that's for making music, not consuming.
    - maybeJDMurphy 2y ago
      The audiophile market often seems to work like this. Insanely overpriced for marginal or nonexistent gains in quality.
      - dymk 2y ago
        You don't understand, Roon's source code is gold plated and that means there's less line noise buzz in the playback or something
      - gffrd 2y ago
        It’s not unlike sports cars: most have them for the _pursuit_ … and where that emotion is involved, price and realized benefit become decoupled.
    - gffrd 2y ago
      Music consumers and music creators are not the same demographic. Price in one has no bearing on price in the other.
ccakes 2y ago
I tried this (among a bunch of others) about a year ago and landed on Gonic[1] for the server and Supersonic[2] on PC and Amperfy[3] on mobile. Yes it's a few different tools to maintain (plus beets etc), but it's the ideal set of features etc for me. Self-hosting has been fun and I've started experimenting with local LLMs to build playlists which is helping discoverability.. or more /rediscovering/ artists that I haven't listened to in a while [1] https://github.com/sentriz/gonic/ https://github.com/sentriz/gonic/ [2] https://github.com/dweymouth/supersonic https://github.com/dweymouth/supersonic [3] https://github.com/BLeeEZ/amperfy https://github.com/BLeeEZ/amperfy
- gravitronic 2y ago
  If you haven't seen it, discogs releases a huge dataset for free that I feel like is ripe for powering a cool music recommendation engine
  - ccakes 2y ago
    I haven't! I just did a quick search, is this[1] what you're talking about.. or something else? [1] https://discogs-data-dumps.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/index.html https://discogs-data-dumps.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/index....
    - gravitronic 2y ago
      Yes, that is what I'm talking about! I had once dreamed of building a service you could ask questions like "what other artists recorded in the same city in the same year as artist xyz" and have it figure it out via the discogs dataset.
  - majkinetor 2y ago
    Musicbrainz for the win.
- sshagent 2y ago
  I currently host icecast/ices. Does your above options allow multiple clients to listen to same stream. I see it mention jukebox mode.
doctorpangloss 2y ago
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- gostsamo 2y ago
  piracy => "everything that you don't perpetually pay for" now?
- Semaphor 2y ago
  While there’s a lot of piracy, there’s also a lot of people buying music. Not everyone runs the *arr stuff, I buy several albums every month on bandcamp.
- ksynwa 2y ago
  You have no idea how much "product development" is done for that if this strikes you as odd
- 0x073 2y ago
  If I copy a song from a friend the interpret earns nothing. If I stream a song from spotify the interpret maybe earns something depending if he is big. => The interpret don't loss anything, only the labels does nowadays. Music streaming is piracy for most indie interprets.
- ranguna 2y ago
  Have you heard of bandcamp?
  - doctorpangloss 2y ago
    Not a single artist ever in the history of the world has ever said, “Bandcamp enabled me to buy a home in Silverlake and to quit my day job.”
sshagent 2y ago
I'm currently using icecast and ices to host a music stream. It'll effectively stream music to a port, and multiple clients can enjoy. Anyone doing something similar, I'd like to migrate to something more modern.
- ksynwa 2y ago
  I did something similar a while back with mpd its httpd output: https://mpd.readthedocs.io/en/latest/plugins.html#httpd https://mpd.readthedocs.io/en/latest/plugins.html#httpd
- carb 2y ago
  I think that's still pretty modern. My stream setup uses liquidsoap to generate HLS files which are served as a livestream directly from Tigris/S3. But a lot of users of liquidsoap still use the icecast output I think.
  - nsteel 2y ago
    I can see why someone looking to easily handle massive scale wants HLS, but why is it useful here?
- RadiozRadioz 2y ago
  Snapcast is similar, but will keep all the clients in sync for multi-room audio https://github.com/badaix/snapcast https://github.com/badaix/snapcast
  - sshagent 2y ago
    That's actually something I've always wanted. Thanks, I'll take a look
  - dleink 2y ago
    Snapcast is nice because if you have an existing setup it can just use stdin as the audio source.
mvyrmnd 2y ago
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pocky 2y ago
I'd love to find something that works effectively at randomly streaming my music video collection, esp out as an rtsp stream. Kodi's music video support has a tendency to choke and has some weird deficiencies in how it handles them, such as audio leveling.
saxonww 2y ago
There's also owntone, formerly forked-daapd. It implements DAAP, which is what iTunes/Apple Music uses. Works with Rhythmbox, at least. IDK if there is a compatible Android client.
- harry8 2y ago
  Owntone http stream works on any browser, ios, droid. Works well enough i haven’t bothered to set up anything else. Wireguard is pretty great for all this stuff.
runsonrum 2y ago
I run Jellyfin and Symfonium. Symfonium isn't free but it is feature filled and it seems to be a passion for the Dev. All for other options in this area as it has taken me a few goes at finding something that works for me. Usually it is the client that is lacking.
- uhoh-itsmaciek 2y ago
  I've started using Navidrome with Symfonium a few months ago. Navidrome is pretty good, but I'm very impressed with Symfonium. It's simple, responsive, and straightforward, but it's got a ton of options so you can fine-tune the client quite a bit.
- TiredOfLife 2y ago
  Symfonium + Navidrome here (Plex running on raspberry pi couldn't stomach my music collection, and Jellyfin is even worse). What I really like about Symfonium compared to other subsonic clients is that it keeps the db locally.
  - runsonrum 2y ago
    I have had Jellyfin running as a media server on an i7 gen4 PC that I have setup as a NAS as well. I first tried subsonic client and Nextcloud but I was only running it on an Odroid H2. I think the extra CPU performance helps.
- pimeys 2y ago
  Thanks for a tip to try out Symfonium. Seems to work great with Plex and Navidrome. I have a few issues with Plex for music, especially when it wants to convert DSF files into flac, which is fine but unnecessary. Plexamp on Android also sometimes fails to download full albums for offline playback. Jellyfin I've tried a few times, but it still cannot encode and stream music as opus, which I find the best format when using low bitrates. Navidrome and Plex support opus by default.
ThrowawayTestr 2y ago
I have Spotify and a few dozen gigs on my phone for the stuff Spotify doesn't have (or has removed).
bane 2y ago
I guess this is the time I ask the question I ask whenever a new self-hosted media streaming server gets posted...does anybody know of any similar server for demoscene tracker files and/or retroconsole music format (bit tunes) hosting, transcoding and serving the stream? chip-player-js [1][2] has more or less exactly what I'm looking for, and I'd be perfectly happy with it, but I can't seem to get any of the docker containers I find to build properly or the repo to build due to dependency issues (probably ignorance on my part) [3][4]. 1 - https://chiptune.app/ https://chiptune.app/ 2 - https://www.mattmontag.com/music/chip-player-js https://www.mattmontag.com/music/chip-player-js 3 - https://github.com/mmontag/chip-player-js https://github.com/mmontag/chip-player-js 4 - https://github.com/soltune/chip-player-js-docker https://github.com/soltune/chip-player-js-docker
cranberryturkey 2y ago
How does this compare to zymotv?
bramhaag 2y ago
People who use this or something similar (Jellyfin, Navidrome, etc.), what do you use to easily add new music? Ideally I'd like to automate this to the point where I can look up an album and it gets downloaded automatically, similar to how Overseerr[1] works for movies and series but without the dependency on Plex. [1] https://github.com/sct/overseerr https://github.com/sct/overseerr
- darthShadow 2y ago
  You have Lidarr[1] as an equivalent to Sonarr/Radarr etc. and there is a pending PR[2] for adding Lidarr support to Overseerr which also has a custom docker image to try. [1] https://github.com/Lidarr/Lidarr https://github.com/Lidarr/Lidarr [2] https://github.com/sct/overseerr/pull/3800 https://github.com/sct/overseerr/pull/3800
- guillermin 2y ago
  The "oficial" servarr[1] uses Radarr for movies, Sonarr for TV shows and Lidarr for music. [1] https://wiki.servarr.com/ https://wiki.servarr.com/
- majkinetor 2y ago
  I don't want to easily add music. I am not a hoarder. I carefully check anything new I add to the collection. But you could use a Nicotine++ for that task easily. It will even auto search from the wish list periodically.
- LorenDB 2y ago
  I use Funkwhale, which exposes a nice web UI for uploading new music. Saves me the hassle of manually adding music files to a server, and it also allows for a multi-user setup where users can keep some music to themselves.
joking 2y ago
I didn’t see synology or qnap mentioned here. They are probably the easiest way to self host and stream the músic, even if they are simpler, but for me worked well.
majkinetor 2y ago
Slightly off-topic, but does anybody know something easy to create online radios from music collection?
suyash 2y ago
Is there a way to play YouTube music and create it as a playlist using this, bonus if it can also block ads?
ErneX 2y ago
I use piCorePlayer + LMS (Lyrion Music Server, previously Logitech Music Server) on a Raspberry Pi with a DAC plugged to my amplifier.
globular-toast 2y ago
I don't see any mention of UPnP. Is anyone using a set up where they have some kind of headless device plugged in to a hi-fi amp and just want to control it from their phone without switching on another screen?
- dsr_ 2y ago
  The combination of OwnTone running on your server and a Wiim Mini (or any of the other Wiim products) is great for this: OwnTone is a media server that lets you play audio sources such as local files, Spotify, pipe input or internet radio to AirPlay 1 and 2 receivers, Chromecast receivers, Roku Soundbridge, a browser or the server’s own sound system. Or you can listen to your music via any client that supports mp3 streaming. You control the server via a web interface, Apple Remote, an Android remote (e.g. Retune), an MPD client, json API or DACP. OwnTone also serves local files via the Digital Audio Access Protocol (DAAP) to iTunes (Windows), Apple Music (macOS) and Rhythmbox (Linux), and via the Roku Server Protocol (RSP) to Roku devices. Runs on Linux, BSD and macOS
  - simlevesque 2y ago
    Wiim products are great, they revolutionized low cost home sound setup.
- zenoprax 2y ago
  Raspberry Pi Zero 2W running Moode Audio. It's perfect. I have an old iPad running a kiosk-like browser to control but the norm is via web UI remotely.
zero0529 2y ago
Perfect! I was looking for a way to replace YouTube music. I’ve been slowly migrating away from YouTube, while maintaining the ability to watch my favorite content creators. I use pinch flat, Jellyfin and audiobookshelf.
mikae1 2y ago
> Your browser is not supported. Please upgrade your browser to continue. With latest Firefox stable on https://demo.blackcandy.org https://demo.blackcandy.org. Is this right?
- LorenDB 2y ago
  If you're on mobile, try switching the page to desktop mode.
lakomen 2y ago
Hmm.. I have a different use case. There are 7 years of a radio show with daily recordings of about 2-3 hours in length, including images. About 400GB in size. It used to all be hosted on a heavily ad plastered Drupal site, but I took it down a few years ago, because reasons. I would like to make the archive available to the public, it would be such a waste to delete it. When I write available, I mean via a website. This blackcandy seems to be private only, requiring auth. I would also prefer if the shows were streamed not directly downloaded, to keep bandwidth down, if you know what I mean. Does software for this use case exist?
- nfriedly 2y ago
  This isn't quite what you're asking for, but sticking a copy on archive.org for the folks who want to download the whole thing might be a good idea.
- LorenDB 2y ago
  Funkwhale should support this. You might even be able to set up the show to present itself as a podcast.
  - lakomen 2y ago
    thank you
clearleaf 2y ago
Large microsd cards are very cheap these days. Using all this cloud stuff seems like a waste of multiple resources. And if you ever don't have a good connection then it's worthless. I've given stuff like this a try and only found it worth it on internal networks.
- dkjaudyeqooe 2y ago
  Syncthing and local files are a much better strategy. Internet access is just too unreliable even when its ubiquitous.
- esperent 2y ago
  > Large microsd cards are very cheap these days How reliable are they? I've had a couple of cards that I was playing music off mysteriously wipe themselves over the past year so I've subconsciously labelled SD cards as unsafe for long term storage. Is this common or was I just unlucky? > if you ever don't have a good connection then it's worthless Here in Vietnam, internet is more stable even than electricity. We can be in the middle of a typhoon, trees and roofs being destroyed, no power for several days, and mobile data never even drops in speed.
- deleted 2y ago
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pmontra 2y ago
Server: Icecast + deefuzzer + directories with music files on a ssd. Clients: VLC or Transistor on Android. Search: a web form to a script (Python? Lua?) that uses find to look for files into the music directories.
Touche 2y ago
What do people use for a NAS nowadays?
- johnflan 2y ago
  A custom built Debian machine with four HDDs in a ZFS volume backed up using restic
- webdevver 2y ago
  mostly an excuse to play with virtualization, filesystems, and networking
  - Touche 2y ago
    No sorry, I meant which NAS are people using to run music servers like Blackcandy. I used to run a FreeNAS but need to upgrade badly.
- pimeys 2y ago
  I've been using TrueNAS for six years already. I've built a custom server - Intel dual core Atom CPU - Passive cooling for the CPU, two fans for the HDDs - A small Supermicro motherboard with IPMI and six SATA connectors - 16 gigabytes of ECC RAM - Six 14 terabyte hard disks - Fractal Design Node case - ZFS with RAIDz2 But this setup is getting old, I've had a few errors already from the CPU. My plan next year is to build a rack server with a modern AMD Ryzen CPU, 64 GB of RAM, Proxmox with TrueNAS scale in a virtual machine and re-use the disks I have in the current setup. Proxmox is much nicer for virtual machines and LXC, and if you need Docker, you can run them in the TrueNAS Scale VM.
- rjruizes 2y ago
  Synology
- antihero 2y ago
  2014 MacBook Pro in a cupboard with an external drive running Ubuntu. Integrated UPS!
oliwarner 2y ago
Lyrion should get a mention. It's a brand fork of Logitech Media Server, aka squeezeboxserver aka slimserver. It has multi-room, quite broad hardware support and support for Spotify, Chromecast, etc through plugins. There are also a few DIY devices you can run squeezelite on to add cheap, good players.
Modified3019 2y ago
Does this support 5 star ratings in app?
sirjaz 2y ago
I wish there was a native app for Windows and MacOS for this.
Rassi 2y ago
I've been looking for a music server to stream music from my local NAS to our Alexa Echo speakers. Tried Plex, and I can't get it and Alexa to play nice. Are any of these able to integrate with Alexa speakers????
gigatexal 2y ago
Seems the theme going into the new year might just be self hosting things... This and this https://github.com/siyuan-note/siyuan https://github.com/siyuan-note/siyuan are both on the front page of HN
- Havoc 2y ago
  People are fed up with subscriptions and things like minipcs and docker have made this all very accessible
  - gigatexal 2y ago
    (Are you havoc from the JB community?) I agree! I just don’t know if this would pass the wife test. All of our music and photos and videos tc etc being hosted by me where I could potentially lose everything. All the work needed to properly store enough backups and test upgrades and maintain things I just figure the tens of dollars I spend monthly to host this stuff for me in iCloud and other places is worth it.
    - Havoc 2y ago
      Nope - not familiar with JB community so must be someone else. Just got lucky on hn grabbing a nice nickname early. Re wife test - yeah music selfhost is a risky one. People get really grumpy when they can't get their tunes
      - gigatexal 2y ago
        Ahh check out JupiterBroadcasting’s flagship shows: CoderRadio, LinuxUnplugged and Self Hosted. Really cool community to folks. Totally get you with the wife approval factor. More for me it’s I think I might screw something up and nuke the whole thing. I do light admin work for my day job as a data engineer — to have to do it at an even higher intensity for the family is too much stress.
pluc 2y ago
I use mpd and ncmpcpp but arguably I don't need much in terms of features, I just play all the things on shuffle. No point in using my phone as when I'm on the LAN, I don't need it, and when I'm out of it, it's counter productive to connect to it (because Canada still has third world mobile data rates) and better off replicating the entire library on-device.
- fivestones 2y ago
  In Nepal I pay $4.38 per month for 60 GB of 4G mobile data.
  - pluc 2y ago
    A quick search on planhub.ca for 60GB with BYOD and unlimited calls in Canada is $35. That's 8x your cost, and that's the minimum, with obscure telcos that piggyback on others' networks, so quality is not great. The Big 3 are more around $45-50. It's often cheaper to buy an European eSIM and roam, it's laughable and has been stifling innovation for decades. But hey, someone's getting rich.
nycdatasci 2y ago
I'm probably missing something. Why self-host when for $10/mo. you can access a nearly unlimited catalog of music on Spotify with integration on phone, PC, car, Sonos, etc?
- johnflan 2y ago
  It’s fun
- antihero 2y ago
  Because: * You don't have any control, if some paperwork fucks up you can lose access (rarer with music but very common with video services) * They don't have a lot of rare stuff, demos, EPs, singles, dubplates, etc. * You can't choose which version of an album you want. * If you run out of money for whatever reason you can't listen to music. * Offline is unreliable. * Screw having my taste and discovery defined by an algorithm * Artists get fuck all money compared to buying stuff off of Bandcamp/buying CDs and ripping them, even if you still pirate a lot of stuff. * They have questionable ethics as a company. * No lossless. * When you curate your own collection you develop in my opinion a deeper relationship with it. I have to rent my home and most other stuff in life, music is one of the most important things in the world to me. I'm done with renting that.
  - taneliv 2y ago
    You forgot disappearing music. Add a song to a playlist, switch countries (or who knows what), it becomes greyed out, or perhaps simply removed. Annoying. Their tendency to add random music to my playlists is annoying. I think there's some control over it, but I'm too old to follow up on how it works this week. I'm on the most expensive family plan they have, but would pay more to get those two fixed properly. I do still buy music on albums and digitally, mostly as a backup exactly for the reasons you mention. But I can't afford to do that for everything I listen to.
    - gaudystead 2y ago
      Regarding your second paragraph talking about Spotify adding random songs... It's a feature I absolutely hate, but I believe what you might be referring to are "smart suggestions" and/or the "smart shuffle" features. They annoy the hell out of me but can be disabled. For smart suggestions, I haven't seen them in a while, but there was a toggle for it. For smart shuffle, just hit the shuffle button again to turn it off.
rwmj 2y ago
A lot of talk here about different solutions. I wonder if there's a universal interoperable standard for self hosted music streaming these days? I'm still using the old Logitech Media Server (with some physical Squeezeboxen), but something a bit more featureful would be great. Especially with good indexing and search. And if it could interoperate so I could choose different clients and server, and wouldn't be tied to that software.
- slipperybeluga 2y ago
  Not so much a planned standard, but Airsonic is about the closest thing. Many servers, clients, and third party tools are airsonic compatible. Navidrome, the current server I'm using is compatible for instance.
- dweymouth 2y ago
  OpenSubsonic (https://opensubsonic.netlify.app https://opensubsonic.netlify.app) is the closest. It's a collaborative effort to extend and modernize the Subsonic API, which had become a sort of de-facto standard API. Navidrome, Gonic, LMS (Lightweight Music Server, not Lyrion/Logitech), and other servers implement the API, and Supersonic, Symfonium, and other clients consume it. (And it's backward compatible with the original Subsonic, so older Subsonic clients will work, just not support all the new features that have been added.
- loughnane 2y ago
  The closest I know of is subsonic. Since it’s come and gone compatible apps have also worked with backends like airsonic and Navidrome. I stick with that family because I don’t want to have to change apps (I use play:sub on iOS)
- j0057 2y ago
  UPNP/DLNA is supported on many devices, especially audio-related devices, though maddeningly not so much on desktop OSes.
- DavideNL 2y ago
  Same here, love Logitech Media Server... (and also the iPeng app.) For reference: - https://lyrion.org/ https://lyrion.org/ - https://github.com/LMS-Community/slimserver https://github.com/LMS-Community/slimserver
ibbtown 2y ago
I wish i could send the audio signal to my Sonos/airplay devices. That would make it awesome
sovietmudkipz 2y ago
I love self hosting useful apps. I wish finding more things was easier. Right now I self host a jellyfin server and home assistant. When I learned a subscription for home security was $75/mo I said “there has to be something out there” and there was. I pay the developer their $6/mo even though everything works without it. Jellyfin has been amazing for physical media backups. It’s nice to experience old VHSes and DVDs in a user friendly way.
- justusthane 2y ago
  Check out https://selfh.st https://selfh.st for finding things! Go to the Apps page. Their weekly newsletter is also good.
  - Vaslo 2y ago
    And now a podcast too!
    - tibu 2y ago
      My favorite podcast in this topic is from Jupiter Broadcasting : https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/show/self-hosted/ https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/show/self-hosted/
      - doublepg23 2y ago
        +1 for all the Jupiter Broadcasting shows. I have my career in IT because I found the network in elementary.
        willjp 2y ago
        Same! But in my 20s and I switched careers.
- TomK32 2y ago
  nginx-proxy becomes almost a must have if you have multiple services and prefer remembering domain names instead of port numbers https://github.com/nginx-proxy/nginx-proxy https://github.com/nginx-proxy/nginx-proxy
farceSpherule 2y ago
If you are looking for a self hosted server that integrates with SONOS check out Subsonic. https://www.subsonic.org/pages/index.jsp https://www.subsonic.org/pages/index.jsp
Sphax 2y ago
The UI looks nice but it doesn't look like there's CarPlay support unfortunately. I don't use my car that often but when I do I want to be able to access my music library. Right now I'm stuck with Plex and Prism on iOS because other solutions are not good in that regard as far as I've seen in my testing.
- banach 2y ago
  Sounds like a good feature request for the open source developers
neuroelectron 2y ago
Instead of streaming, it would be nice if the server kept flac than transcoded the library and automatically synced it to mobile devices.
- galleywest200 2y ago
  Couldn't you use a script to convert the files and then just use Syncthing [1] on both devices to keep them up to date? https://github.com/syncthing/syncthing https://github.com/syncthing/syncthing
- crtasm 2y ago
  Finamp app for Jellyfin can auto-download favourites/playlists/5 latest albums, transcoded by the server. It also mentions being able to lock albums to keep them available offline. Unsure if it syncs without opening the app though.
seahor 2y ago
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tosser2084 2y ago
Why would I do this over a Synology DiskStation which allows me a hassle-free way to stream my music anywhere I have a internet connection... I use it daily in my car without a problem, going on my 3rd DSM and ~10 years of this setup.
- nirav72 2y ago
  Because not everyone owns a synology. Some of us have home built NAS. Others would prefer something with lower energy consumption like a raspberry pi.
  - meatmanek 2y ago
    Dedicated NAS hardware is often pretty efficient. The Synology DS224+ (a 2-bay model) for example claims to idle at 4.41W when the drives are allowed to hibernate. That's within spitting distance of a Raspberry Pi, and a lot better than most people will be able to achieve with repurposed desktop/server hardware. Lots of desktops will idle at tens of watts. If you keep your spinning rust drives spun up all the time, it's another 5ish watts per drive.
  - tosser2084 2y ago
    Thanks for the response, that's a legit reason I hadn't considered.
- aftbit 2y ago
  For me, the reason is that Synology is not open source, and additionally because their NASes are overpriced for their size and capabilities. I have a 12 disk NAS that cost me a total of $500 (before drives), with no software licensing fees at all, and that's not even an especially cheap one. My earlier NAS was slower but only $120. Of course, it needs a deep 19" rack to mount, but that's actually an advantage for me, as I have a dedicated homelab rack to play with.
kaleinator 2y ago
What's the benefit in using a "self hosted streaming server", when I can just mount a network share and connect to a personal VPN when I'm out and about? This is what I've been doing for awhile and I've had zero issues. As far as I can tell it's secure. Is it just to allow others to use the server with login credentials?
- pimeys 2y ago
  I find it easier to stream music from my phone, especially with a slow uplink and the real time encoding to a lossy format with the servers.
paxys 2y ago
I have tried every music playing option under the sun for the last 15 years and am now happily back to creating playlists on my computer and periodically dragging them to my phone's local storage. There is still no better overall experience.
- TomK32 2y ago
  Even more niche with headphones that have storage. Why would anyone not handpick music for those headphone with other than a 170bpm?
- raheelrjunaid 2y ago
  Same! I use syncthing-fork to automate the process: https://github.com/Catfriend1/syncthing-android https://github.com/Catfriend1/syncthing-android
  - jerf 2y ago
    Storage costs being what they are now, I'm just syncthing'ing my entire mp3 collection to my phone now. According to syncthing it's 27.9GB, and while I'm sure there are people out there with another factor of magnitude more, a 512GB SD micro card, where the value sweet spot appears to currently reside, is ~$38 now. You can stick a lot of music on your phone now. At 256kb/s or so that's roughly half-a-year straight of music [1]; if you really just can't cut your collection down to that, well, I mean, you can nearly get the full year straight for $90 or so now, and I'm sure 2TB will be along shortly. We're not that many exponential doublings away from you being able to store enough music to last your entire life on your phone. Assuming your phone still takes an SD card, of course. I get the whole "push into the cloud" thing but SD card prices have been consistently running ahead of cloud storage options and bandwidth plans for a while now; it's kind of amusing that it's the high end phones that lack this option. It's nice to be able to slam music, movies, entire seasons of TV on to my phone without it interfering with the main OS space. [1]: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=512GB+%2F+256kilobits%2Fs https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=512GB+%2F+256kilobits%2...
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ryanmcbride 2y ago
No last.fm scrobbling? I know what I'm doing this weekend!!
drngdds 2y ago
How does this differ from Navidrome and other Subsonic-based music servers?
MetroWind 2y ago
- Docker as default deployment method - Ruby - Nodejs I'll pass :->
CableNinja 2y ago
Does this support the OpenSubsonic API[1]? I didnt see it mentioned. I miss subsonic (except that it was java). All of the current servers have quirks i havent enjoyed, but having the subsonic mobileapp all through them has been great. [1] https://opensubsonic.netlify.app/ https://opensubsonic.netlify.app/
at_a_remove 2y ago
This looks interesting for an eventual project. I want to separate out music into groups, then into shuffleable playlists. I would eventually stream each to one of those local FM transmitters so I could build a few radio stations for my mother, who is absolutely terrible with technology and, at eighty, is not likely to get better. I am figuring a late Fifties/early Sixties (stuff she won dance competitions to), then your basic angry music starting around the mid-eighties (Killing Joke's "Eighties," a few Ministry albums, NIN) and on, a classic rock "station," and now, disturbingly, a yacht rock playlist. Then she can just jump around as needed.
rayrrr 2y ago
Any Ruby to Elixir folks interested in porting this to the latter?

697 points by nateb2022 2y ago

I run multiple minidlna instances in Podman and let BubbleUPNP connect to them through Wireguard. Getting the multicast discovery to work was a bit challenging.

pmlnr 2y ago
This is by far the nicest solution out there. All the others, plex, etc are resource hogs that want to transcode everything, unlike minidlna, which can run on a router, if needed, without docker, or all that jazz. People might not like it because bubbleupnp is not open source, but it's a very nice piece of software nonetheless.
- j0057 2y ago
  BubbleUPNP is so nice that I emailed the author to please consider taking yearly payments instead of the very lenient one-time price of less than €10.
majkinetor 2y ago
Any tutorial or links on this?
- j0057 2y ago
  Not at the moment - this would be a good topic for a blog I've been meaning to set up for 10+ years now.

bitvoid 2y ago

I've been using Plex (connecting via Tailscale) with their Plexamp music player. It's been working pretty well, but I might have to give this a try to compare. Although, it's not clear from the GitHub README or the Apple App Store listing if the mobile app allows you to download music for offline listening.

aorth 2y ago
Same, but Jellyfin.
- amiga386 2y ago
  Jellyfin and Finamp https://github.com/jmshrv/finamp https://github.com/jmshrv/finamp
  - meonkeys 2y ago
    Finamp redesign beta is stable and awesome.
  - branon 2y ago
    Finamp is amazing, blows anything else out of the water
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- gosub100 2y ago
  I tred it with Emby but I had so much music, it slowed down the search engine noticeably.
gbraad 2y ago
Pretty much the same here; - Cloudflare tunnel for public access - Tailscale for private use and sharing over WebDAV - Nextcloud for general file management - Jellyfin for music and video streaming Have this running in containers: https://github.com/gbraad-homelab https://github.com/gbraad-homelab. Nextcloud's WebDAV has issues with filenames or at least how it works. A large amount of files in non-'standard' characters wouldn't show up, so Ampache/Subsonic wouldn't work. This is why I tried Jellyfin.
urbandw311er 2y ago
Same here - Plexamp is working out great for self hosted music on-the-go. Was happy to contribute the small amount towards development.

sphars 2y ago

I've been using Navidrome to great success, but will look into this. Any particular differences between the two?

geepytee 2y ago

Never crossed my mind to self host my own music streaming server, great idea!

meonkeys 2y ago
Music is straightforward to self-host. Go for it! Video can be a bit harder if you have to transcode.
prmoustache 2y ago
It is really only a thing because smartphone OS vendor make it difficult for people to mount filesystem over the network. If you could ssh/sftp mount from android or iOS easily, your favorite smartphone audio player would just play those files from a remount mount without any need of a streaming server.

monkaiju 2y ago

Longtime Navidrome user so that's what I'm comparing this to. This project looks cool, albeit simple at this point, but what I'd really love is a solution for music discovery for folks who self host their collection. Is there something that sets this project apart from other easily self hostable tools?

zenoprax 2y ago
Yes, I'm also interested in this project but Navidrome does a great job alongside Jellyfin and Audiobookshelf. A great trio.
- mxuribe 2y ago
  Hey @hebocon I've been using jellyfin for both music and movies for close to a year...but keep hearing of navidrome (for music) as well. So, can i assume that you don't really use jellyfin for music, and instead use navidrome for that? How does that work for you? Any issues of interference, etc? I guess if i wanted jellyfin only for movies/tv, i could point it only at the folder where such media is saved, and then separately manage music via navidrome...but wondered what the benefits would be? Genuinely curious if you woiuld kindly share more info about your setup. Thanks! :-)
  - zenoprax 2y ago
    I set up JF for music first, then added Navidrome. I then added Moode for my separate stereo speakers and Home Assistant too. Never had an issue with everything having access at the same time.
    - mxuribe 2y ago
      Good to know! Thanks for sharing!
- loughnane 2y ago
  This is my stack too. Initially tried to stuff everything into jellyfin (and plex before that) but am confident this is the best stack today.

loxias 2y ago

Wow! Complete with custom mobile player! That's quite a ways up from "set up a ssh tunnel home and use vlc", I may have to take this for a spin.

acidburnNSA 2y ago

I've been using mopidy plus Snapcast to do this (via wireguard when remote) and have enjoyed it. Good multi-room, multi-site audio.

emmanueloga_ 2y ago

I’ve been searching for services that host personal music collections, but there doesn’t seem to be much available. I came across a product called Vox [1], which I might try. There are also plenty of self-hosted projects of varying quality (but I hadn’t seen Black Candy before). I'd like a service where I can upload a large folder of MP3s, and it would help organize them into albums, perform useful processing like ReplayGain normalization, BPM and key analysis, etc. It should also have a good playlist manager and player for desktop and mobile. Some existing services allow you to add your own music files, like MP3s, but this often feels like a second-class citizen. Services like SoundCloud are focused more on social interactions, which I don’t really need. Have I missed any services like this? There's some growing dissatisfaction around algorithm-driven music services like Spotify. Also, these services carry the risk of music disappearing for various reasons. I think a service allowing curation of own MP3 collections could appeal a significant fraction of all music lovers out there. -- 1: https://vox.rocks/ https://vox.rocks/

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system33- 2y ago
Subsonic and airsonic (the latter is a fork of the former).
skuzzie 2y ago
I’ve been wanting the same thing for a while now too. I’ve thought about trying to build it myself but the thought of requiring users to manage their own library seems too niche. A hosted, music-focused Plex competitor sounds awesome but also not sustainable. Surely the majority of those users who care about managing their music library are also happier owning their storage too, no?
- emmanueloga_ 2y ago
  Storage is tricky... I know how to self-host software and get storage but I find it too much of a hassle to do it for me only, so I just have a folder in a google drive, which I need to migrate from soonish. Why do you think a Plex competitor would not be sustainable?

dcreater 2y ago

I'm about to use my existing jellyfin setup. Amy advantage here over jellyfin?

loughnane 2y ago
Not op but I’ve been running jellyfin for a few years. At least 2 years ago when I tried it for my music it felt clunky . I haven’t checked since but I encourage you to feel out the experience with a few albums, playlists, carplay, &c before going all in. Fwiw I ended up using Navidrome m as a server, beets to manage metadata, and play:sub on mobile.

akurtzhs 2y ago

If you’re willing to pay for proprietary software, I’ve been incredibly happy with Roon for music organization. Handles 99% of albums I add without an issue, great multi-room support, best suggestions of any existing service (Rest in peace Google Play Music). They added remote streaming a few years ago and it’s all I use now.

Semaphor 2y ago
Note that it is a $12.49 subscription, or $829.99 one-time. So you really need to love its featureset.
- diggan 2y ago
  That's some serious price. If you're a professional music maker and need top-of-the-line audio production software, Ableton 12 Suite is ~600 EUR, and that's for making music, not consuming.
  - maybeJDMurphy 2y ago
    The audiophile market often seems to work like this. Insanely overpriced for marginal or nonexistent gains in quality.
    - dymk 2y ago
      You don't understand, Roon's source code is gold plated and that means there's less line noise buzz in the playback or something
    - gffrd 2y ago
      It’s not unlike sports cars: most have them for the _pursuit_ … and where that emotion is involved, price and realized benefit become decoupled.
  - gffrd 2y ago
    Music consumers and music creators are not the same demographic. Price in one has no bearing on price in the other.

ccakes 2y ago

I tried this (among a bunch of others) about a year ago and landed on Gonic[1] for the server and Supersonic[2] on PC and Amperfy[3] on mobile. Yes it's a few different tools to maintain (plus beets etc), but it's the ideal set of features etc for me. Self-hosting has been fun and I've started experimenting with local LLMs to build playlists which is helping discoverability.. or more /rediscovering/ artists that I haven't listened to in a while [1] https://github.com/sentriz/gonic/ https://github.com/sentriz/gonic/ [2] https://github.com/dweymouth/supersonic https://github.com/dweymouth/supersonic [3] https://github.com/BLeeEZ/amperfy https://github.com/BLeeEZ/amperfy

gravitronic 2y ago
If you haven't seen it, discogs releases a huge dataset for free that I feel like is ripe for powering a cool music recommendation engine
- ccakes 2y ago
  I haven't! I just did a quick search, is this[1] what you're talking about.. or something else? [1] https://discogs-data-dumps.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/index.html https://discogs-data-dumps.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/index....
  - gravitronic 2y ago
    Yes, that is what I'm talking about! I had once dreamed of building a service you could ask questions like "what other artists recorded in the same city in the same year as artist xyz" and have it figure it out via the discogs dataset.
- majkinetor 2y ago
  Musicbrainz for the win.
sshagent 2y ago
I currently host icecast/ices. Does your above options allow multiple clients to listen to same stream. I see it mention jukebox mode.

doctorpangloss 2y ago

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gostsamo 2y ago
piracy => "everything that you don't perpetually pay for" now?
Semaphor 2y ago
While there’s a lot of piracy, there’s also a lot of people buying music. Not everyone runs the *arr stuff, I buy several albums every month on bandcamp.
ksynwa 2y ago
You have no idea how much "product development" is done for that if this strikes you as odd
0x073 2y ago
If I copy a song from a friend the interpret earns nothing. If I stream a song from spotify the interpret maybe earns something depending if he is big. => The interpret don't loss anything, only the labels does nowadays. Music streaming is piracy for most indie interprets.
ranguna 2y ago
Have you heard of bandcamp?
- doctorpangloss 2y ago
  Not a single artist ever in the history of the world has ever said, “Bandcamp enabled me to buy a home in Silverlake and to quit my day job.”

sshagent 2y ago

I'm currently using icecast and ices to host a music stream. It'll effectively stream music to a port, and multiple clients can enjoy. Anyone doing something similar, I'd like to migrate to something more modern.

ksynwa 2y ago
I did something similar a while back with mpd its httpd output: https://mpd.readthedocs.io/en/latest/plugins.html#httpd https://mpd.readthedocs.io/en/latest/plugins.html#httpd
carb 2y ago
I think that's still pretty modern. My stream setup uses liquidsoap to generate HLS files which are served as a livestream directly from Tigris/S3. But a lot of users of liquidsoap still use the icecast output I think.
- nsteel 2y ago
  I can see why someone looking to easily handle massive scale wants HLS, but why is it useful here?
RadiozRadioz 2y ago
Snapcast is similar, but will keep all the clients in sync for multi-room audio https://github.com/badaix/snapcast https://github.com/badaix/snapcast
- sshagent 2y ago
  That's actually something I've always wanted. Thanks, I'll take a look
- dleink 2y ago
  Snapcast is nice because if you have an existing setup it can just use stdin as the audio source.

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pocky 2y ago

I'd love to find something that works effectively at randomly streaming my music video collection, esp out as an rtsp stream. Kodi's music video support has a tendency to choke and has some weird deficiencies in how it handles them, such as audio leveling.

saxonww 2y ago

There's also owntone, formerly forked-daapd. It implements DAAP, which is what iTunes/Apple Music uses. Works with Rhythmbox, at least. IDK if there is a compatible Android client.

harry8 2y ago
Owntone http stream works on any browser, ios, droid. Works well enough i haven’t bothered to set up anything else. Wireguard is pretty great for all this stuff.

runsonrum 2y ago

I run Jellyfin and Symfonium. Symfonium isn't free but it is feature filled and it seems to be a passion for the Dev. All for other options in this area as it has taken me a few goes at finding something that works for me. Usually it is the client that is lacking.

uhoh-itsmaciek 2y ago
I've started using Navidrome with Symfonium a few months ago. Navidrome is pretty good, but I'm very impressed with Symfonium. It's simple, responsive, and straightforward, but it's got a ton of options so you can fine-tune the client quite a bit.
TiredOfLife 2y ago
Symfonium + Navidrome here (Plex running on raspberry pi couldn't stomach my music collection, and Jellyfin is even worse). What I really like about Symfonium compared to other subsonic clients is that it keeps the db locally.
- runsonrum 2y ago
  I have had Jellyfin running as a media server on an i7 gen4 PC that I have setup as a NAS as well. I first tried subsonic client and Nextcloud but I was only running it on an Odroid H2. I think the extra CPU performance helps.
pimeys 2y ago
Thanks for a tip to try out Symfonium. Seems to work great with Plex and Navidrome. I have a few issues with Plex for music, especially when it wants to convert DSF files into flac, which is fine but unnecessary. Plexamp on Android also sometimes fails to download full albums for offline playback. Jellyfin I've tried a few times, but it still cannot encode and stream music as opus, which I find the best format when using low bitrates. Navidrome and Plex support opus by default.

ThrowawayTestr 2y ago

I have Spotify and a few dozen gigs on my phone for the stuff Spotify doesn't have (or has removed).

bane 2y ago

I guess this is the time I ask the question I ask whenever a new self-hosted media streaming server gets posted...does anybody know of any similar server for demoscene tracker files and/or retroconsole music format (bit tunes) hosting, transcoding and serving the stream? chip-player-js [1][2] has more or less exactly what I'm looking for, and I'd be perfectly happy with it, but I can't seem to get any of the docker containers I find to build properly or the repo to build due to dependency issues (probably ignorance on my part) [3][4]. 1 - https://chiptune.app/ https://chiptune.app/ 2 - https://www.mattmontag.com/music/chip-player-js https://www.mattmontag.com/music/chip-player-js 3 - https://github.com/mmontag/chip-player-js https://github.com/mmontag/chip-player-js 4 - https://github.com/soltune/chip-player-js-docker https://github.com/soltune/chip-player-js-docker

cranberryturkey 2y ago

How does this compare to zymotv?

bramhaag 2y ago

People who use this or something similar (Jellyfin, Navidrome, etc.), what do you use to easily add new music? Ideally I'd like to automate this to the point where I can look up an album and it gets downloaded automatically, similar to how Overseerr[1] works for movies and series but without the dependency on Plex. [1] https://github.com/sct/overseerr https://github.com/sct/overseerr

darthShadow 2y ago
You have Lidarr[1] as an equivalent to Sonarr/Radarr etc. and there is a pending PR[2] for adding Lidarr support to Overseerr which also has a custom docker image to try. [1] https://github.com/Lidarr/Lidarr https://github.com/Lidarr/Lidarr [2] https://github.com/sct/overseerr/pull/3800 https://github.com/sct/overseerr/pull/3800
guillermin 2y ago
The "oficial" servarr[1] uses Radarr for movies, Sonarr for TV shows and Lidarr for music. [1] https://wiki.servarr.com/ https://wiki.servarr.com/
majkinetor 2y ago
I don't want to easily add music. I am not a hoarder. I carefully check anything new I add to the collection. But you could use a Nicotine++ for that task easily. It will even auto search from the wish list periodically.
LorenDB 2y ago
I use Funkwhale, which exposes a nice web UI for uploading new music. Saves me the hassle of manually adding music files to a server, and it also allows for a multi-user setup where users can keep some music to themselves.

joking 2y ago

I didn’t see synology or qnap mentioned here. They are probably the easiest way to self host and stream the músic, even if they are simpler, but for me worked well.

majkinetor 2y ago

Slightly off-topic, but does anybody know something easy to create online radios from music collection?

suyash 2y ago

Is there a way to play YouTube music and create it as a playlist using this, bonus if it can also block ads?

ErneX 2y ago

I use piCorePlayer + LMS (Lyrion Music Server, previously Logitech Music Server) on a Raspberry Pi with a DAC plugged to my amplifier.

globular-toast 2y ago

I don't see any mention of UPnP. Is anyone using a set up where they have some kind of headless device plugged in to a hi-fi amp and just want to control it from their phone without switching on another screen?

dsr_ 2y ago
The combination of OwnTone running on your server and a Wiim Mini (or any of the other Wiim products) is great for this: OwnTone is a media server that lets you play audio sources such as local files, Spotify, pipe input or internet radio to AirPlay 1 and 2 receivers, Chromecast receivers, Roku Soundbridge, a browser or the server’s own sound system. Or you can listen to your music via any client that supports mp3 streaming. You control the server via a web interface, Apple Remote, an Android remote (e.g. Retune), an MPD client, json API or DACP. OwnTone also serves local files via the Digital Audio Access Protocol (DAAP) to iTunes (Windows), Apple Music (macOS) and Rhythmbox (Linux), and via the Roku Server Protocol (RSP) to Roku devices. Runs on Linux, BSD and macOS
- simlevesque 2y ago
  Wiim products are great, they revolutionized low cost home sound setup.
zenoprax 2y ago
Raspberry Pi Zero 2W running Moode Audio. It's perfect. I have an old iPad running a kiosk-like browser to control but the norm is via web UI remotely.

zero0529 2y ago

Perfect! I was looking for a way to replace YouTube music. I’ve been slowly migrating away from YouTube, while maintaining the ability to watch my favorite content creators. I use pinch flat, Jellyfin and audiobookshelf.

mikae1 2y ago

> Your browser is not supported. Please upgrade your browser to continue. With latest Firefox stable on https://demo.blackcandy.org https://demo.blackcandy.org. Is this right?

LorenDB 2y ago
If you're on mobile, try switching the page to desktop mode.

lakomen 2y ago

Hmm.. I have a different use case. There are 7 years of a radio show with daily recordings of about 2-3 hours in length, including images. About 400GB in size. It used to all be hosted on a heavily ad plastered Drupal site, but I took it down a few years ago, because reasons. I would like to make the archive available to the public, it would be such a waste to delete it. When I write available, I mean via a website. This blackcandy seems to be private only, requiring auth. I would also prefer if the shows were streamed not directly downloaded, to keep bandwidth down, if you know what I mean. Does software for this use case exist?

nfriedly 2y ago
This isn't quite what you're asking for, but sticking a copy on archive.org for the folks who want to download the whole thing might be a good idea.
LorenDB 2y ago
Funkwhale should support this. You might even be able to set up the show to present itself as a podcast.
- lakomen 2y ago
  thank you

clearleaf 2y ago

Large microsd cards are very cheap these days. Using all this cloud stuff seems like a waste of multiple resources. And if you ever don't have a good connection then it's worthless. I've given stuff like this a try and only found it worth it on internal networks.

dkjaudyeqooe 2y ago
Syncthing and local files are a much better strategy. Internet access is just too unreliable even when its ubiquitous.
esperent 2y ago
> Large microsd cards are very cheap these days How reliable are they? I've had a couple of cards that I was playing music off mysteriously wipe themselves over the past year so I've subconsciously labelled SD cards as unsafe for long term storage. Is this common or was I just unlucky? > if you ever don't have a good connection then it's worthless Here in Vietnam, internet is more stable even than electricity. We can be in the middle of a typhoon, trees and roofs being destroyed, no power for several days, and mobile data never even drops in speed.
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pmontra 2y ago

Server: Icecast + deefuzzer + directories with music files on a ssd. Clients: VLC or Transistor on Android. Search: a web form to a script (Python? Lua?) that uses find to look for files into the music directories.

Touche 2y ago

What do people use for a NAS nowadays?

johnflan 2y ago
A custom built Debian machine with four HDDs in a ZFS volume backed up using restic
webdevver 2y ago
mostly an excuse to play with virtualization, filesystems, and networking
- Touche 2y ago
  No sorry, I meant which NAS are people using to run music servers like Blackcandy. I used to run a FreeNAS but need to upgrade badly.
pimeys 2y ago
I've been using TrueNAS for six years already. I've built a custom server - Intel dual core Atom CPU - Passive cooling for the CPU, two fans for the HDDs - A small Supermicro motherboard with IPMI and six SATA connectors - 16 gigabytes of ECC RAM - Six 14 terabyte hard disks - Fractal Design Node case - ZFS with RAIDz2 But this setup is getting old, I've had a few errors already from the CPU. My plan next year is to build a rack server with a modern AMD Ryzen CPU, 64 GB of RAM, Proxmox with TrueNAS scale in a virtual machine and re-use the disks I have in the current setup. Proxmox is much nicer for virtual machines and LXC, and if you need Docker, you can run them in the TrueNAS Scale VM.
rjruizes 2y ago
Synology
antihero 2y ago
2014 MacBook Pro in a cupboard with an external drive running Ubuntu. Integrated UPS!

oliwarner 2y ago

Lyrion should get a mention. It's a brand fork of Logitech Media Server, aka squeezeboxserver aka slimserver. It has multi-room, quite broad hardware support and support for Spotify, Chromecast, etc through plugins. There are also a few DIY devices you can run squeezelite on to add cheap, good players.

Modified3019 2y ago

Does this support 5 star ratings in app?

sirjaz 2y ago

I wish there was a native app for Windows and MacOS for this.

Rassi 2y ago

I've been looking for a music server to stream music from my local NAS to our Alexa Echo speakers. Tried Plex, and I can't get it and Alexa to play nice. Are any of these able to integrate with Alexa speakers????

gigatexal 2y ago

Seems the theme going into the new year might just be self hosting things... This and this https://github.com/siyuan-note/siyuan https://github.com/siyuan-note/siyuan are both on the front page of HN

Havoc 2y ago
People are fed up with subscriptions and things like minipcs and docker have made this all very accessible
- gigatexal 2y ago
  (Are you havoc from the JB community?) I agree! I just don’t know if this would pass the wife test. All of our music and photos and videos tc etc being hosted by me where I could potentially lose everything. All the work needed to properly store enough backups and test upgrades and maintain things I just figure the tens of dollars I spend monthly to host this stuff for me in iCloud and other places is worth it.
  - Havoc 2y ago
    Nope - not familiar with JB community so must be someone else. Just got lucky on hn grabbing a nice nickname early. Re wife test - yeah music selfhost is a risky one. People get really grumpy when they can't get their tunes
    - gigatexal 2y ago
      Ahh check out JupiterBroadcasting’s flagship shows: CoderRadio, LinuxUnplugged and Self Hosted. Really cool community to folks. Totally get you with the wife approval factor. More for me it’s I think I might screw something up and nuke the whole thing. I do light admin work for my day job as a data engineer — to have to do it at an even higher intensity for the family is too much stress.

pluc 2y ago

I use mpd and ncmpcpp but arguably I don't need much in terms of features, I just play all the things on shuffle. No point in using my phone as when I'm on the LAN, I don't need it, and when I'm out of it, it's counter productive to connect to it (because Canada still has third world mobile data rates) and better off replicating the entire library on-device.

fivestones 2y ago
In Nepal I pay $4.38 per month for 60 GB of 4G mobile data.
- pluc 2y ago
  A quick search on planhub.ca for 60GB with BYOD and unlimited calls in Canada is $35. That's 8x your cost, and that's the minimum, with obscure telcos that piggyback on others' networks, so quality is not great. The Big 3 are more around $45-50. It's often cheaper to buy an European eSIM and roam, it's laughable and has been stifling innovation for decades. But hey, someone's getting rich.

nycdatasci 2y ago

I'm probably missing something. Why self-host when for $10/mo. you can access a nearly unlimited catalog of music on Spotify with integration on phone, PC, car, Sonos, etc?

johnflan 2y ago
It’s fun
antihero 2y ago
Because: * You don't have any control, if some paperwork fucks up you can lose access (rarer with music but very common with video services) * They don't have a lot of rare stuff, demos, EPs, singles, dubplates, etc. * You can't choose which version of an album you want. * If you run out of money for whatever reason you can't listen to music. * Offline is unreliable. * Screw having my taste and discovery defined by an algorithm * Artists get fuck all money compared to buying stuff off of Bandcamp/buying CDs and ripping them, even if you still pirate a lot of stuff. * They have questionable ethics as a company. * No lossless. * When you curate your own collection you develop in my opinion a deeper relationship with it. I have to rent my home and most other stuff in life, music is one of the most important things in the world to me. I'm done with renting that.
- taneliv 2y ago
  You forgot disappearing music. Add a song to a playlist, switch countries (or who knows what), it becomes greyed out, or perhaps simply removed. Annoying. Their tendency to add random music to my playlists is annoying. I think there's some control over it, but I'm too old to follow up on how it works this week. I'm on the most expensive family plan they have, but would pay more to get those two fixed properly. I do still buy music on albums and digitally, mostly as a backup exactly for the reasons you mention. But I can't afford to do that for everything I listen to.
  - gaudystead 2y ago
    Regarding your second paragraph talking about Spotify adding random songs... It's a feature I absolutely hate, but I believe what you might be referring to are "smart suggestions" and/or the "smart shuffle" features. They annoy the hell out of me but can be disabled. For smart suggestions, I haven't seen them in a while, but there was a toggle for it. For smart shuffle, just hit the shuffle button again to turn it off.

rwmj 2y ago

A lot of talk here about different solutions. I wonder if there's a universal interoperable standard for self hosted music streaming these days? I'm still using the old Logitech Media Server (with some physical Squeezeboxen), but something a bit more featureful would be great. Especially with good indexing and search. And if it could interoperate so I could choose different clients and server, and wouldn't be tied to that software.

slipperybeluga 2y ago
Not so much a planned standard, but Airsonic is about the closest thing. Many servers, clients, and third party tools are airsonic compatible. Navidrome, the current server I'm using is compatible for instance.
dweymouth 2y ago
OpenSubsonic (https://opensubsonic.netlify.app https://opensubsonic.netlify.app) is the closest. It's a collaborative effort to extend and modernize the Subsonic API, which had become a sort of de-facto standard API. Navidrome, Gonic, LMS (Lightweight Music Server, not Lyrion/Logitech), and other servers implement the API, and Supersonic, Symfonium, and other clients consume it. (And it's backward compatible with the original Subsonic, so older Subsonic clients will work, just not support all the new features that have been added.
loughnane 2y ago
The closest I know of is subsonic. Since it’s come and gone compatible apps have also worked with backends like airsonic and Navidrome. I stick with that family because I don’t want to have to change apps (I use play:sub on iOS)
j0057 2y ago
UPNP/DLNA is supported on many devices, especially audio-related devices, though maddeningly not so much on desktop OSes.
DavideNL 2y ago
Same here, love Logitech Media Server... (and also the iPeng app.) For reference: - https://lyrion.org/ https://lyrion.org/ - https://github.com/LMS-Community/slimserver https://github.com/LMS-Community/slimserver

ibbtown 2y ago

I wish i could send the audio signal to my Sonos/airplay devices. That would make it awesome

sovietmudkipz 2y ago

I love self hosting useful apps. I wish finding more things was easier. Right now I self host a jellyfin server and home assistant. When I learned a subscription for home security was $75/mo I said “there has to be something out there” and there was. I pay the developer their $6/mo even though everything works without it. Jellyfin has been amazing for physical media backups. It’s nice to experience old VHSes and DVDs in a user friendly way.

justusthane 2y ago
Check out https://selfh.st https://selfh.st for finding things! Go to the Apps page. Their weekly newsletter is also good.
- Vaslo 2y ago
  And now a podcast too!
  - tibu 2y ago
    My favorite podcast in this topic is from Jupiter Broadcasting : https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/show/self-hosted/ https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/show/self-hosted/
    - doublepg23 2y ago
      +1 for all the Jupiter Broadcasting shows. I have my career in IT because I found the network in elementary.
      - willjp 2y ago
        Same! But in my 20s and I switched careers.
TomK32 2y ago
nginx-proxy becomes almost a must have if you have multiple services and prefer remembering domain names instead of port numbers https://github.com/nginx-proxy/nginx-proxy https://github.com/nginx-proxy/nginx-proxy

farceSpherule 2y ago

If you are looking for a self hosted server that integrates with SONOS check out Subsonic. https://www.subsonic.org/pages/index.jsp https://www.subsonic.org/pages/index.jsp

Sphax 2y ago

The UI looks nice but it doesn't look like there's CarPlay support unfortunately. I don't use my car that often but when I do I want to be able to access my music library. Right now I'm stuck with Plex and Prism on iOS because other solutions are not good in that regard as far as I've seen in my testing.

banach 2y ago
Sounds like a good feature request for the open source developers

neuroelectron 2y ago

Instead of streaming, it would be nice if the server kept flac than transcoded the library and automatically synced it to mobile devices.

galleywest200 2y ago
Couldn't you use a script to convert the files and then just use Syncthing [1] on both devices to keep them up to date? https://github.com/syncthing/syncthing https://github.com/syncthing/syncthing
crtasm 2y ago
Finamp app for Jellyfin can auto-download favourites/playlists/5 latest albums, transcoded by the server. It also mentions being able to lock albums to keep them available offline. Unsure if it syncs without opening the app though.

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tosser2084 2y ago

Why would I do this over a Synology DiskStation which allows me a hassle-free way to stream my music anywhere I have a internet connection... I use it daily in my car without a problem, going on my 3rd DSM and ~10 years of this setup.

nirav72 2y ago
Because not everyone owns a synology. Some of us have home built NAS. Others would prefer something with lower energy consumption like a raspberry pi.
- meatmanek 2y ago
  Dedicated NAS hardware is often pretty efficient. The Synology DS224+ (a 2-bay model) for example claims to idle at 4.41W when the drives are allowed to hibernate. That's within spitting distance of a Raspberry Pi, and a lot better than most people will be able to achieve with repurposed desktop/server hardware. Lots of desktops will idle at tens of watts. If you keep your spinning rust drives spun up all the time, it's another 5ish watts per drive.
- tosser2084 2y ago
  Thanks for the response, that's a legit reason I hadn't considered.
aftbit 2y ago
For me, the reason is that Synology is not open source, and additionally because their NASes are overpriced for their size and capabilities. I have a 12 disk NAS that cost me a total of $500 (before drives), with no software licensing fees at all, and that's not even an especially cheap one. My earlier NAS was slower but only $120. Of course, it needs a deep 19" rack to mount, but that's actually an advantage for me, as I have a dedicated homelab rack to play with.

kaleinator 2y ago

What's the benefit in using a "self hosted streaming server", when I can just mount a network share and connect to a personal VPN when I'm out and about? This is what I've been doing for awhile and I've had zero issues. As far as I can tell it's secure. Is it just to allow others to use the server with login credentials?

pimeys 2y ago
I find it easier to stream music from my phone, especially with a slow uplink and the real time encoding to a lossy format with the servers.

paxys 2y ago

I have tried every music playing option under the sun for the last 15 years and am now happily back to creating playlists on my computer and periodically dragging them to my phone's local storage. There is still no better overall experience.

TomK32 2y ago
Even more niche with headphones that have storage. Why would anyone not handpick music for those headphone with other than a 170bpm?
raheelrjunaid 2y ago
Same! I use syncthing-fork to automate the process: https://github.com/Catfriend1/syncthing-android https://github.com/Catfriend1/syncthing-android
- jerf 2y ago
  Storage costs being what they are now, I'm just syncthing'ing my entire mp3 collection to my phone now. According to syncthing it's 27.9GB, and while I'm sure there are people out there with another factor of magnitude more, a 512GB SD micro card, where the value sweet spot appears to currently reside, is ~$38 now. You can stick a lot of music on your phone now. At 256kb/s or so that's roughly half-a-year straight of music [1]; if you really just can't cut your collection down to that, well, I mean, you can nearly get the full year straight for $90 or so now, and I'm sure 2TB will be along shortly. We're not that many exponential doublings away from you being able to store enough music to last your entire life on your phone. Assuming your phone still takes an SD card, of course. I get the whole "push into the cloud" thing but SD card prices have been consistently running ahead of cloud storage options and bandwidth plans for a while now; it's kind of amusing that it's the high end phones that lack this option. It's nice to be able to slam music, movies, entire seasons of TV on to my phone without it interfering with the main OS space. [1]: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=512GB+%2F+256kilobits%2Fs https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=512GB+%2F+256kilobits%2...
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ryanmcbride 2y ago

No last.fm scrobbling? I know what I'm doing this weekend!!

drngdds 2y ago

How does this differ from Navidrome and other Subsonic-based music servers?

MetroWind 2y ago

- Docker as default deployment method - Ruby - Nodejs I'll pass :->

CableNinja 2y ago

Does this support the OpenSubsonic API[1]? I didnt see it mentioned. I miss subsonic (except that it was java). All of the current servers have quirks i havent enjoyed, but having the subsonic mobileapp all through them has been great. [1] https://opensubsonic.netlify.app/ https://opensubsonic.netlify.app/

at_a_remove 2y ago

This looks interesting for an eventual project. I want to separate out music into groups, then into shuffleable playlists. I would eventually stream each to one of those local FM transmitters so I could build a few radio stations for my mother, who is absolutely terrible with technology and, at eighty, is not likely to get better. I am figuring a late Fifties/early Sixties (stuff she won dance competitions to), then your basic angry music starting around the mid-eighties (Killing Joke's "Eighties," a few Ministry albums, NIN) and on, a classic rock "station," and now, disturbingly, a yacht rock playlist. Then she can just jump around as needed.

rayrrr 2y ago

Any Ruby to Elixir folks interested in porting this to the latter?