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I don't use Snap on my Ubuntu Desktop systems because I don't like apps secretly updating without my awareness and also for the immense amount of additional dis

I don't use Snap on my Ubuntu Desktop systems because I don't like apps secretly updating without my awareness and also for the immense amount of additional disk space used by Snap. Having said that, no, I don't see any usage of immutable Linux in my future.

rlpb 2y ago
> I don't use Snap on my Ubuntu Desktop systems because I don't like apps secretly updating without my awareness https://snapcraft.io/docs/managing-updates#p-32248-pause-or-stop-automatic-updates https://snapcraft.io/docs/managing-updates#p-32248-pause-or-...
- irunmyownemail 2y ago
  Unfortunately that creates a choice between an app that updates in an aloof manner or allowing it to exist in an insecure, not updated state.
  - rlpb 2y ago
    What do you mean by "aloof manner"? As far as I'm aware, snaps' updating mechanism is quite reasonable and doesn't suffer from the many update related issues that apt/debs have, especially when users want packages not included by their distribution.
- amelius 2y ago
  You can also block the updater's internet access by adding this to your /etc/hosts file: 127.0.0.1 api.snapcraft.io And for other updates: 127.0.0.1 archive.ubuntu.com 127.0.0.1 security.ubuntu.com 127.0.0.1 mirrors.kernel.org 127.0.0.1 deb.debian.org 127.0.0.1 ppa.launchpad.net 127.0.0.1 flathub.org 127.0.0.1 dl.flathub.org Use at your own risk of course.
  - setuid 2y ago
    Or you can just avoid hacking your hosts file and breaking other tools, and set your Snap and Apt proxy configuration to a non-existent value, or firewall their ability to reach those hosts. Or configure them properly by disabling auto-updates, configure unattended-upgrades appropriately for your needs, and only update your apt packages from a known, internal mirror endpoint that doesn't change until you point it to a new timestamp. That's how it works in the real world, in production. It's not 1994, we don't hack hosts files anymore.
0xDEAFBEAD 2y ago
>I don't like apps secretly updating without my awareness Any particular reason?
eraser215 2y ago
Flatpak doesn't auto update out of the box on any distro I have used.
mkl 2y ago
> I don't use Snap on my Ubuntu Desktop systems because I don't like apps secretly updating without my awareness My experience with Snap is that it bugs me about Firefox updates multiple times a day for two weeks. Okay, it does then update automatically and break the running program, but I can't claim to be unaware. Apt is the thing that updates packages completely without my awareness, with Unattended Upgrades. Mostly it works, but I have to blacklist NVidia utilities, as they need to be in sync with the driver in use.

rlpb 2y ago

> I don't use Snap on my Ubuntu Desktop systems because I don't like apps secretly updating without my awareness https://snapcraft.io/docs/managing-updates#p-32248-pause-or-stop-automatic-updates https://snapcraft.io/docs/managing-updates#p-32248-pause-or-...

irunmyownemail 2y ago
Unfortunately that creates a choice between an app that updates in an aloof manner or allowing it to exist in an insecure, not updated state.
- rlpb 2y ago
  What do you mean by "aloof manner"? As far as I'm aware, snaps' updating mechanism is quite reasonable and doesn't suffer from the many update related issues that apt/debs have, especially when users want packages not included by their distribution.
amelius 2y ago
You can also block the updater's internet access by adding this to your /etc/hosts file: 127.0.0.1 api.snapcraft.io And for other updates: 127.0.0.1 archive.ubuntu.com 127.0.0.1 security.ubuntu.com 127.0.0.1 mirrors.kernel.org 127.0.0.1 deb.debian.org 127.0.0.1 ppa.launchpad.net 127.0.0.1 flathub.org 127.0.0.1 dl.flathub.org Use at your own risk of course.
- setuid 2y ago
  Or you can just avoid hacking your hosts file and breaking other tools, and set your Snap and Apt proxy configuration to a non-existent value, or firewall their ability to reach those hosts. Or configure them properly by disabling auto-updates, configure unattended-upgrades appropriately for your needs, and only update your apt packages from a known, internal mirror endpoint that doesn't change until you point it to a new timestamp. That's how it works in the real world, in production. It's not 1994, we don't hack hosts files anymore.

0xDEAFBEAD 2y ago

>I don't like apps secretly updating without my awareness Any particular reason?

eraser215 2y ago

Flatpak doesn't auto update out of the box on any distro I have used.

mkl 2y ago

> I don't use Snap on my Ubuntu Desktop systems because I don't like apps secretly updating without my awareness My experience with Snap is that it bugs me about Firefox updates multiple times a day for two weeks. Okay, it does then update automatically and break the running program, but I can't claim to be unaware. Apt is the thing that updates packages completely without my awareness, with Unattended Upgrades. Mostly it works, but I have to blacklist NVidia utilities, as they need to be in sync with the driver in use.