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Depends on your population density. Tokyo does pretty well with purely public transport. There’s still cars of course, but you don’t use them for travel into th

by Aeolun 2y ago

Depends on your population density. Tokyo does pretty well with purely public transport. There’s still cars of course, but you don’t use them for travel into the city proper if you don’t hate yourself.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Tokyo does pretty well with purely public transport. There’s still cars of course, but you don’t use them for travel into the city proper if you don’t hate yourself Japan has .67 vehicles per person, almost 80% America's .85 [1] and above many European countries. They travel about a fifth as many miles per capita as America [2]. But again, four fifths and a fifth. Nowhere close to zero. There isn't a developed economy that wouldn't see a significant quality-of-life improvement from self-driving cars. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territories_by_motor_vehicles_per_capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territor... [2] https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/bar4.htm https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/bar4.htm
- Aeolun 2y ago
  Hence why I’m talking about Tokyo. Not Japan. Living in the countryside basically requires a car by definition. People also often have a car, but don’t use it that much. Maybe you’ll get more interesting numbers if you compare miles traveled per person? Found only for 1997, but increases the discrepancy to 1:2.5 : https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/bar4.htm https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/bar4.htm
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  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > I’m talking about Tokyo. Not Japan Tokyo would have a tough time existing in a world without cars, trucks or roads. Its economy depends on that access. There is no tradeoff between self-driving cars and a multi-trillion dollar infrastructure rebuild.
    - Dylan16807 2y ago
      > Tokyo would have a tough time existing in a world without cars, trucks or roads. Its economy depends on that access. I will agree with that statement but mostly because you added trucks in when the original complaint was about car dependency.

by Aeolun 2y ago

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> Tokyo does pretty well with purely public transport. There’s still cars of course, but you don’t use them for travel into the city proper if you don’t hate yourself Japan has .67 vehicles per person, almost 80% America's .85 [1] and above many European countries. They travel about a fifth as many miles per capita as America [2]. But again, four fifths and a fifth. Nowhere close to zero. There isn't a developed economy that wouldn't see a significant quality-of-life improvement from self-driving cars. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territories_by_motor_vehicles_per_capita https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territor... [2] https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/bar4.htm https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/bar4.htm

Aeolun 2y ago
Hence why I’m talking about Tokyo. Not Japan. Living in the countryside basically requires a car by definition. People also often have a car, but don’t use it that much. Maybe you’ll get more interesting numbers if you compare miles traveled per person? Found only for 1997, but increases the discrepancy to 1:2.5 : https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/bar4.htm https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/onh00/bar4.htm
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- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > I’m talking about Tokyo. Not Japan Tokyo would have a tough time existing in a world without cars, trucks or roads. Its economy depends on that access. There is no tradeoff between self-driving cars and a multi-trillion dollar infrastructure rebuild.
  - Dylan16807 2y ago
    > Tokyo would have a tough time existing in a world without cars, trucks or roads. Its economy depends on that access. I will agree with that statement but mostly because you added trucks in when the original complaint was about car dependency.