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CDC confirms first severe human case of bird flu in U.S.

208 points by perihelions 2y ago

nitred 2y ago
Could an expert in the field provide an overview of what is known for sure so far about this incident and one from a month or so ago?
- khana 2y ago
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- dylan604 2y ago
  Exactly how big are the numbers of readers of this site are experts in this field?
- squeegee_scream 2y ago
  The CDC statement might be helpful https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2024/m1218-h5n1-flu.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2024/m1218-h5n1-flu.html
krunck 2y ago
https://archive.is/oeua0 https://archive.is/oeua0
cogman10 2y ago
CDC press release https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2024/m1218-h5n1-flu.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2024/m1218-h5n1-flu.html
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tedunangst 2y ago
Why does the article devote so many paragraphs to bird flu in cows when the patient contracted it from birds and it's not the strain prevalent in dairy herds?
- Polizeiposaune 2y ago
  My understanding is that much of the H5N1 bird flu detected in north america before this event was detected in cows and in people with exposure to cows. So if you want to provide background on H5N1 in america you end up talking about cows. See, for instance, https://www.cdc.gov/bird-flu/situation-summary/mammals.html https://www.cdc.gov/bird-flu/situation-summary/mammals.html
  - winocm 2y ago
    I feel like general press calling it “bird flu” over “highly-pathogenic avian influenza” (as what it is called in literature) might be a big oversight…
- bee_rider 2y ago
  Did they edit it or something? The version I see has only one paragraph about cows. And it is only there to explain that it isn’t the version going around in cows (But I did have to use the archive link shared here—normally I don’t like those, but curiosity about a potential public health issue overrode my principles).
  - tedunangst 2y ago
    The archive version seems to be missing several paragraphs like > But the virus is changing, said John Connor, an associate professor of microbiology at Boston University. “It is essentially going to the gym all the time and training to be better,” Connor said at a webinar on H5N1 this week hosted by hosted by Boston University’s Center on Emerging Infectious Diseases. “The virus is not just getting into birds, now it’s getting into cows. There’s evidence that it’s getting into other animals, cats, dogs, mink,” he said. “Now what we are seeing is that this is a virus that used to be only good at breaking and entering into bird cells and causing disease there and transmitting there, now its getting better at breaking and entering into a bunch of other cells.”
    - jacobgkau 2y ago
to11mtm 2y ago
Wait so the guy who had bleeding eyes wasn't severe? Edit: Read the article, this headline is semi-clickbait. Article indicates this is the first severe case related to a 'backyard' (i.e. smaller farm or self-farmer range of size) farm. Sooooo nothing that new aside from the bit that bird flu is still around TBH. It's not surprising in it's own way, we are somewhere in a migratory season so these things will move around a bit more. Not saying Bird flu doesn't concern me a lot, I'm just frustrated by the 'oh this isn't new except the person got it from their backyard coop rather than some more industrial-ish farm'. Edit to Edit: Ok, I guess this is the first 'technically' severe case. Not sure what the details are but at TBH I'm not a doctor so...
- tptacek 2y ago
  No. The "bleeding eyes" were just busted capillaries. It's a super common symptom you can get just from sneezing too hard†; it's happened to me --- the specific "bleeding" symptom that patient had --- a bunch of times. † I'm not saying that's what happened to him, just that it's not some freaky rare "crying blood" thing.
  - CyberDildonics 2y ago
    No. It's not super common.
    - kasey_junk 2y ago
      I don’t know how to quantify “super common” but it’s considered “common” in the literature. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3702240/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3702240/
  - chefandy 2y ago
    It’s surprisingly common. Additionally, it can develop as a secondary symptom when temporary neurological impairments induce self-exposure to YouTube comments sections.
    - 2y ago
api 2y ago
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- aziaziazi 2y ago
  Would we have used homeopathy and juice cleanse (edit: or just nothing) instead of antibiotics in industrial farms, we would have less meat but an easier weapons for ourselves against H5N1.
  - Sabinus 2y ago
    Somehow I doubt RFK is going to reduce antibiotic use on farms.
  - cmrdporcupine 2y ago
    How... does antibiotics have anything to do with H5N1?
    - aziaziazi 2y ago
      Absolutely nothing. I threw that out of rage but shouldn’t have.
dboreham 2y ago
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- barbazoo 2y ago
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/10/us-coronavirus-response-donald-trump-health-policy https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/10/us-coronavir... > In seeking to respond to the pandemic, Trump has been widely condemned for not taking the pandemic seriously enough soon enough, spreading conspiracy theories, not encouraging mask wearing and undermining scientists and others seeking to combat the virus’s spread.
  - BadHumans 2y ago
    I'm pretty sure the OP is being sarcastic.
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    [inset “I told my people to slow down testing” video]
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Uw5ssYPc 2y ago
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2lazy2pwdmgr 2y ago
The real story is animal ag creates the conditions for selection for more virulent pandemic viruses (and antibiotic resistant bacteria through overuse of the chemically-identical antibiotics given to humans) and yet we don't take the actions necessary to prevent them.
- chrisco255 2y ago
  If it's a virus, then antibiotics have no effect.
  - lokar 2y ago
    I don’t think the comment confused them. Two different and serious problems caused by the same conditions and practices.
    - fnordpiglet 2y ago
      In fact you could argue antibiotics allows much denser farms and proportionately more viral transmission and therefore more mutation.
- fasa99 2y ago
  Well we do take actions i.e. https://www.unmc.edu/healthsecurity/transmission/2024/07/10/nearly-1-8-million-chickens-will-be-culled-in-the-latest-bird-flu-outbreak-at-a-colorado-poultry-farm/ https://www.unmc.edu/healthsecurity/transmission/2024/07/10/... Literally killing millions of livestock to isolate the spread. Not to say there aren't better ways. Life finds a way. It's hard.
  - 2lazy2pwdmgr 2y ago
    That's ineffective action to enable the industry to continue rather than ending it and doing something less dangerous that won't kill millions. Not all motion is progress :rocking horse photo here: - One of Meta's "motivational" posters
AdieuToLogic 2y ago
Here is the CDC statement: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2024/m1218-h5n1-flu.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2024/m1218-h5n1-flu.html
bangaloredud 2y ago
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uptecwa 2y ago
For those in California, our union, University Professional and Technical Employees (UPTE) has blown the whistle on the inadequate avian bird flu testing in the state. There is only one lab rated in the state of California at UC Davis that is responsible for timely testing of poultry and dairy. You can read the article at the following: https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-12-01/lab-workers-conducting-californias-avian-flu-testing-report-mismanagement-overwork-burnout-amid-outbreak-season https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-12-01/lab-worker... We had an informational picket at UC Davis last week, and you can find more details at our website at https://upte.org/news/upte-members-at-uc-davis-blow-the-whistle-on-dangerous-lab-conditions-in-the-facility-testing-dairy-and-poultry-for-bird-flu https://upte.org/news/upte-members-at-uc-davis-blow-the-whis... The University of California system has failed to keep the health and safety of our food supply in safe and working order, with lab testing sometimes waiting weeks for turn around, causing avian bird flu to spread and causing mass culling of chickens, and tainting diary, and increasing the likelihood of animal to human spread. UPTE members at CAHFS are raising concerns about severe understaffing and unsafe working conditions that jeopardize their critical role in testing for diseases like Highly Pathogenic Avian Influenza (H5N1). After five out of seven lab workers quit since January due to inadequate compensation and a lack of support, the timely and accurate monitoring of our nation's food supply is at risk, potentially leading to catastrophic outbreaks affecting poultry and human health. Your can support us by urging CAHFS management to address these issues and protect the health and safety of our communities. You can help by emailing the Dean of Veterinary Medicine, Dean Dr. Mark Stetter to support staffing and safety at CAHFS using the following link: https://upte.org/cahfs https://upte.org/cahfs
ToDougie 2y ago
First severe case equals state of emergency in California. https://www.gov.ca.gov/2024/12/18/governor-newsom-takes-proactive-action-to-strengthen-robust-state-response-to-bird-flu/ https://www.gov.ca.gov/2024/12/18/governor-newsom-takes-proa...
- stahtops 2y ago
  Yes, declaring a SoE opens up avenues for financial aid and allows the governor to direct state resources. This is probably because H5N1 was detected in dairy cows in Southern California.
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208 points by perihelions 2y ago

Could an expert in the field provide an overview of what is known for sure so far about this incident and one from a month or so ago?

khana 2y ago
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dylan604 2y ago
Exactly how big are the numbers of readers of this site are experts in this field?
squeegee_scream 2y ago
The CDC statement might be helpful https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2024/m1218-h5n1-flu.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2024/m1218-h5n1-flu.html

krunck 2y ago

https://archive.is/oeua0 https://archive.is/oeua0

cogman10 2y ago

CDC press release https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2024/m1218-h5n1-flu.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2024/m1218-h5n1-flu.html

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tedunangst 2y ago

Why does the article devote so many paragraphs to bird flu in cows when the patient contracted it from birds and it's not the strain prevalent in dairy herds?

Polizeiposaune 2y ago
My understanding is that much of the H5N1 bird flu detected in north america before this event was detected in cows and in people with exposure to cows. So if you want to provide background on H5N1 in america you end up talking about cows. See, for instance, https://www.cdc.gov/bird-flu/situation-summary/mammals.html https://www.cdc.gov/bird-flu/situation-summary/mammals.html
- winocm 2y ago
  I feel like general press calling it “bird flu” over “highly-pathogenic avian influenza” (as what it is called in literature) might be a big oversight…
bee_rider 2y ago
Did they edit it or something? The version I see has only one paragraph about cows. And it is only there to explain that it isn’t the version going around in cows (But I did have to use the archive link shared here—normally I don’t like those, but curiosity about a potential public health issue overrode my principles).
- tedunangst 2y ago
  The archive version seems to be missing several paragraphs like > But the virus is changing, said John Connor, an associate professor of microbiology at Boston University. “It is essentially going to the gym all the time and training to be better,” Connor said at a webinar on H5N1 this week hosted by hosted by Boston University’s Center on Emerging Infectious Diseases. “The virus is not just getting into birds, now it’s getting into cows. There’s evidence that it’s getting into other animals, cats, dogs, mink,” he said. “Now what we are seeing is that this is a virus that used to be only good at breaking and entering into bird cells and causing disease there and transmitting there, now its getting better at breaking and entering into a bunch of other cells.”
  - jacobgkau 2y ago

to11mtm 2y ago

Wait so the guy who had bleeding eyes wasn't severe? Edit: Read the article, this headline is semi-clickbait. Article indicates this is the first severe case related to a 'backyard' (i.e. smaller farm or self-farmer range of size) farm. Sooooo nothing that new aside from the bit that bird flu is still around TBH. It's not surprising in it's own way, we are somewhere in a migratory season so these things will move around a bit more. Not saying Bird flu doesn't concern me a lot, I'm just frustrated by the 'oh this isn't new except the person got it from their backyard coop rather than some more industrial-ish farm'. Edit to Edit: Ok, I guess this is the first 'technically' severe case. Not sure what the details are but at TBH I'm not a doctor so...

tptacek 2y ago
No. The "bleeding eyes" were just busted capillaries. It's a super common symptom you can get just from sneezing too hard†; it's happened to me --- the specific "bleeding" symptom that patient had --- a bunch of times. † I'm not saying that's what happened to him, just that it's not some freaky rare "crying blood" thing.
- CyberDildonics 2y ago
  No. It's not super common.
  - kasey_junk 2y ago
    I don’t know how to quantify “super common” but it’s considered “common” in the literature. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3702240/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3702240/
- chefandy 2y ago
  It’s surprisingly common. Additionally, it can develop as a secondary symptom when temporary neurological impairments induce self-exposure to YouTube comments sections.
  - 2y ago

api 2y ago

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aziaziazi 2y ago
Would we have used homeopathy and juice cleanse (edit: or just nothing) instead of antibiotics in industrial farms, we would have less meat but an easier weapons for ourselves against H5N1.
- Sabinus 2y ago
  Somehow I doubt RFK is going to reduce antibiotic use on farms.
- cmrdporcupine 2y ago
  How... does antibiotics have anything to do with H5N1?
  - aziaziazi 2y ago
    Absolutely nothing. I threw that out of rage but shouldn’t have.

dboreham 2y ago

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barbazoo 2y ago
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/10/us-coronavirus-response-donald-trump-health-policy https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/10/us-coronavir... > In seeking to respond to the pandemic, Trump has been widely condemned for not taking the pandemic seriously enough soon enough, spreading conspiracy theories, not encouraging mask wearing and undermining scientists and others seeking to combat the virus’s spread.
- BadHumans 2y ago
  I'm pretty sure the OP is being sarcastic.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  [inset “I told my people to slow down testing” video]
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Uw5ssYPc 2y ago

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deleted 2y ago

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2lazy2pwdmgr 2y ago

The real story is animal ag creates the conditions for selection for more virulent pandemic viruses (and antibiotic resistant bacteria through overuse of the chemically-identical antibiotics given to humans) and yet we don't take the actions necessary to prevent them.

chrisco255 2y ago
If it's a virus, then antibiotics have no effect.
- lokar 2y ago
  I don’t think the comment confused them. Two different and serious problems caused by the same conditions and practices.
  - fnordpiglet 2y ago
    In fact you could argue antibiotics allows much denser farms and proportionately more viral transmission and therefore more mutation.
fasa99 2y ago
Well we do take actions i.e. https://www.unmc.edu/healthsecurity/transmission/2024/07/10/nearly-1-8-million-chickens-will-be-culled-in-the-latest-bird-flu-outbreak-at-a-colorado-poultry-farm/ https://www.unmc.edu/healthsecurity/transmission/2024/07/10/... Literally killing millions of livestock to isolate the spread. Not to say there aren't better ways. Life finds a way. It's hard.
- 2lazy2pwdmgr 2y ago
  That's ineffective action to enable the industry to continue rather than ending it and doing something less dangerous that won't kill millions. Not all motion is progress :rocking horse photo here: - One of Meta's "motivational" posters

AdieuToLogic 2y ago

Here is the CDC statement: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2024/m1218-h5n1-flu.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2024/m1218-h5n1-flu.html

bangaloredud 2y ago

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uptecwa 2y ago

For those in California, our union, University Professional and Technical Employees (UPTE) has blown the whistle on the inadequate avian bird flu testing in the state. There is only one lab rated in the state of California at UC Davis that is responsible for timely testing of poultry and dairy. You can read the article at the following: https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-12-01/lab-workers-conducting-californias-avian-flu-testing-report-mismanagement-overwork-burnout-amid-outbreak-season https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-12-01/lab-worker... We had an informational picket at UC Davis last week, and you can find more details at our website at https://upte.org/news/upte-members-at-uc-davis-blow-the-whistle-on-dangerous-lab-conditions-in-the-facility-testing-dairy-and-poultry-for-bird-flu https://upte.org/news/upte-members-at-uc-davis-blow-the-whis... The University of California system has failed to keep the health and safety of our food supply in safe and working order, with lab testing sometimes waiting weeks for turn around, causing avian bird flu to spread and causing mass culling of chickens, and tainting diary, and increasing the likelihood of animal to human spread. UPTE members at CAHFS are raising concerns about severe understaffing and unsafe working conditions that jeopardize their critical role in testing for diseases like Highly Pathogenic Avian Influenza (H5N1). After five out of seven lab workers quit since January due to inadequate compensation and a lack of support, the timely and accurate monitoring of our nation's food supply is at risk, potentially leading to catastrophic outbreaks affecting poultry and human health. Your can support us by urging CAHFS management to address these issues and protect the health and safety of our communities. You can help by emailing the Dean of Veterinary Medicine, Dean Dr. Mark Stetter to support staffing and safety at CAHFS using the following link: https://upte.org/cahfs https://upte.org/cahfs

ToDougie 2y ago

First severe case equals state of emergency in California. https://www.gov.ca.gov/2024/12/18/governor-newsom-takes-proactive-action-to-strengthen-robust-state-response-to-bird-flu/ https://www.gov.ca.gov/2024/12/18/governor-newsom-takes-proa...

stahtops 2y ago
Yes, declaring a SoE opens up avenues for financial aid and allows the governor to direct state resources. This is probably because H5N1 was detected in dairy cows in Southern California.

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