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- redeux 2y agoIf you look at who is claiming espionage, I don’t think it’s intended to be a plausible explanation - just an excuse to further agitate.
- dgfitz 2y ago[flagged]
- LeafItAlone 2y agoThe Guardian is publication reporting the information. If you click the link at the top, open the website, and read the article, you will see who is quoted as making the claims.
- dgfitz 2y ago[flagged]
- trimethylpurine 2y agoThe quotes seem to indicate that they don't care about drones. The context surrounding the quotes is all The Guardian's. He emphasized there was “no known threat to the public at this time”. Etc... Then quotes of one word end quote two words not quoted, then a few more quoted words. Or a sentence that's clearly drawn without context. Typical modern reporting. The people being quoted don't have the time to care if they were lied about. So, yes, if you click the link, you'll see who is quoted making the claims, but there is no reason to think that they actually made those claims. Only that those people don't care enough to stop their workday and refute every piece of media trash with their name in it that probably didn't even make it to their desk.
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- nixosbestos 2y agoOh, here, I'll make you feel better. Go check sub of the alien/ufo subreddits. Literally you'll see comments that amount to "my life sucks and is boring, this would be exciting even if bad". It's uh, a bit maddening and a bit sad.
- zombiwoof 2y ago[flagged]
- cpursley 2y agoSo… a bit over half of all American voters?
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- krapp 2y agoNo. Only about 64% of all American voters participated in the election - the rest stayed home. Of those, Trump actually got just under half of the popular vote, albeit by an extremely slim margin of about 48%.
- NavinF 2y agoI'm having a hard time imagining how you'd accurately measure who a non-voter would have voted for. Like how would you verify if someone is even eligible to vote? Lots of Americans (Eg green card holders, kids, felons) can't vote. Also 2% is way smaller than the Lizardman’s Constant: https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/12/noisy-poll-results-and-reptilian-muslim-climatologists-from-mars/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/12/noisy-poll-results-and... It seems pointless pedantry.
- krapp 2y agoIt isn't pointless pedantry. The claim was that "a bit over half of all American voters" voted for Trump. This is simply factually untrue, as nowhere near all American voters even voted. >I'm having a hard time imagining how you'd accurately measure who a non-voter would have voted for. No claims are being made about the hypothetical votes by non-voters, so whether and how that metric can be measured isn't relevant to the claim being made, which is about people who actually voted. This is measured through a count of the actual votes tallied by state. >Like how would you verify if someone is even eligible to vote? Every state has their own methods to determine voting eligibility. This isn't relevant to the claim being made, as the set of "all American voters" is presumed to be equal to the set of "all eligible American voters." >Lots of Americans (Eg green card holders, kids, felons) can't vote. Individuals who cannot vote are also not relevant to the claim made, which is about the set of people who actually did vote, and what fraction of the entire electorate they represented.
- zombiwoof 2y ago[flagged]
- kfrzcode 2y agoWhich models? What are the specific dimensions? I assume if you're confident they're widespread, commercially available, you know what kind of aircraft we're dealing with. I'd hope you can help me demystify further what's going on in the controlled airspace near military installations.
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- JumpCrisscross 2y agoI’ll admit that were I seeing such stories in my area, I’d be hard pressed not to hang some bit of a Halloween costume on a drone and send it around the neighbourhood.
- wsintra2022 2y agoThere was also a lot of drone sightings reported last week in Britain of similar fear, drones near a US military base somewhere in UK, think it was also in the Guardian.
- georgeburdell 2y agoNot commenting on NJ specifically, but there have been drone sightings near sensitive military sites recently, as reported by the military
- mcphage 2y ago> there have been drone sightings near sensitive military sites recently How near is "near"? There's an awful lot of sensitive military sites in the US.
- op00to 2y agoNew Jersey is essentially one big sensitive site. Between Picatinny Arsenal, Joint Base McGuire-Dix, NWS Earle, and all the other smaller sites, you’re about 15 miles away from any one site and if you’re near civilization you’re much closer. Add in other sensitive sites like power stations and reservoirs, and the entire state is “sensitive”. This smacks hard of manipulation and agitation. 99% of the sitings shared with me have been airplanes.
- roflyear 2y agoLots of what is shared is airplanes, but there have been official sources confirming drone sightings too. I haven't seen a drone yet myself tho.
- PaulDavisThe1st 2y agoSo why do most of the UFOS ... sorry UAP's ... come to New Mexico?
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- lazide 2y agoLots of swamp gas, very few independent observers.
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- _DeadFred_ 2y agoI mean there were 12 drones following a Coast Guard lifeboat. Doubt the Coastguard crew mass hysteria'd themselves into thinking 12 nearby 737s were following their boat (unless they just raided some Colombian drug submarine prior to coming into port). https://apnews.com/article/fbi-drones-new-jersey-a978470fa3bb07ed3e98c5b7c18f0abb https://apnews.com/article/fbi-drones-new-jersey-a978470fa3b... And the official government response is super odd. Police were following a drone (that is totally safe we are told) then called the helicopter back because he felt unsafe. But the drones are safe (except if you are a police helicopter?). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yxDXqU9OQQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yxDXqU9OQQ Lots of strange behavior. EDIT: Downvotes for posting an APNews article and an elected New Jersey Assemblyman that just came out of the government briefing, really?
- ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 2y ago> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yxDXqU9OQQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yxDXqU9OQQ Isn't this just the standard politician response? I am angry, this is ridiculous, so on. It might be more useful to actually listen to the hearing.
- _DeadFred_ 2y ago'We don't know what these drones are, where they come from, so we followed one, then we... just stopped following it'. That's not the normal Police/Sheriff response, no. There are multiple New Jersey state government officials that attended this government hearing retelling that the Police/Sheriff said a Police helicopter did just stop following the unknown drone because 'the Police/Sheriff felt unsafe'.
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- ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 2y ago> There are multiple New Jersey state government officials that attended this government hearing retelling that the Police/Sheriff said a Police helicopter did just stop following the unknown drone because 'the Police/Sheriff felt unsafe'. I can't find that? Care to share?
- whimsicalism 2y agoI think social media is really having a detrimental impact on these sort of mass panics.
- imadierich 2y ago[dead]
- cyx65 2y agoVernor Vinge called it Belief Circles. And in Rainbows End he tells a story of how to get them to stampede in one direction or another to suit anyones agenda. But on the flip side, once you create a herd of domesticated animals (side note: always useful to deeply understand how the process of animal domestication works), Stampedes can start from just one individual getting scared by their own shadow. To keep things from going out of control, the herd manager is then programmed (or "learns"), to get the herd to run in circles. They eventually get tired. And the story ends happily ever after.
- bamboozled 2y agoyou mean...it's not "the radical left"?
- jerlam 2y agoTraditional media is also involved, I've overheard Fox News hosts definitively state we're under invasion, blame Biden for it, and explain why Trump will fix it.
- palmfacehn 2y agoMost of the coverage I saw online was from local affiliate stations. A deliberate attempt to alarm the public seems more likely than many of the theories offered.
- hindsightbias 2y agoAnybody with a DJI can fly over NJ with impunity right now. Xmas night is going to be dronapalooza.
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- bongodongobob 2y agoYeah the avg person in the US is in a state of complete terror because grades better than C's in high school make you an uncool nerd. Imagine thinking everything is made of magic and people who try to explain basic science are trying to lie to you with confusing gotcha arguments. We are absolutely cooked.
- roflyear 2y agoThey aren't small drones - they seem to be really large, like 4-10 feet wide. It's hard to tell but they definitely are not small.
- cuuupid 2y agoAt times like this it's helpful to use a simple, three point framework: [1] What do we know? [2] What is noise? [3] What is the boring explanation? For [1], we know there are likely _some_ drones. We know drones are a very hot topic for defense at the moment and that countries are heavily investing in this area. We know that these systems need very heavy testing for coordination, surveillance, etc. and we know that other countries have conducted these in urban areas. We also know that these drones have been seen often nearby military installations. We know that our government is claiming to have no idea what these are, but has declared them safe and does not intend to take them out. We know that Ukraine (backed by the US) has used drones pretty successfully against Russia. We know that Israel has used drones successfully against targets across the region. We also know that the US is deploying pretty heavily in PACOM, and we can see that there are a wide array of large value contracts regarding drones being handed out to defense contractors. For [2], there is SO much noise. A congressman immediately blaming Iran (a country an entire ocean away that is incurring heavy regional losses). The news and mass hysteria online that it's aliens. People confusing helicopters and planes for drones, but with just enough actual drone footage in the mix to false flag. Pretty much everyone looking at the skies which will greatly increase incidence. Just enough counter culture online that these are kids drones, regular planes, helicopters. Lots of varying narratives coming from different branches of military and law enforcement. That's all very interesting, but if you subtract [2] from [1] you get a very boring explanation, [3] that these are likely our own drones being tested. I've seen this boring explanation get dismissed as technically the US has testing sites, but these are typically for bombs, and drones are best utilized in populated areas or for surveillance (both of which are hard to test in the desert). I also see dismissals of this as "the military would have said something by now," but they have: they've declared these "safe." If they were testing out new functionality on cutting edge tech they wouldn't admit to it, no matter how many likes a tweet gets or how many videos get posted online. There is also no way a state government, governor, or law enforcement would know about this (yeah, even the FBI) because drone programs in the US are coordinated by intelligence agencies that are very secretive and don't like to share information among themselves.
- quantadev 2y ago> An entire ocean away. Ever heard of submarines and ships. the Congressman said he heard from a good source there was an Iranian "mothership" on the East Coast. I guess you claim he's being lied to, or making it all up?
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- gaoryrt 2y agoI think there's a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_first_use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_first_use
- PaulDavisThe1st 2y agoCongratulations, I almost never downvote anything on HN. You managed!
- jaapbadlands 2y agoGood lord, take a walk outside man.
- quantadev 2y agoIt was Biden HIMSELF who originally said giving Long Rang Missiles, Tanks, and American Fighter Jets to Ukraine would start WWIII. lol. So your quip carries very little weight.
- keepamovin 2y agoWhat 'commercially available' aircraft can operate for at least 6 - 7 hours, sized up to 6 feet, not always detectable by FLIR, evade detection by helicopters, don't always use lights, have a range of at least 15 miles, are not obeying FAA line of sight regulations for night flights (all per the statewide briefing provided to NJ legislators yesterday: https://x.com/DawnFantasia_NJ/status/1866896860578717994 https://x.com/DawnFantasia_NJ/status/1866896860578717994) , and are assessed by the Pentagon yesterday (https://www.youtube.com/live/gSIKXMt4qHk?si=HafZLJzX8lUqQvrd&t=311 https://www.youtube.com/live/gSIKXMt4qHk?si=HafZLJzX8lUqQvrd...) to not originate in the US or any other nation? What extra-terrestrial amazon.com or Weyland-Yutani intergalactic commerce do you have access to haha? :) Also, videos of the 'drones' show them hovering for long periods, so they're not conventional fixed wing craft. I think local officials should put together some investigative task forces using local scientists, engineers and commercial providers that have access to good electronic intelligence surveillance capabilities and get more data so we can see more and know more about this.
- Vegenoid 2y ago> are assessed by the Pentagon yesterday to not originate in the US or any other nation To be clear, they stated that “these are not US military drones”, and that they have no evidence that they are from a foreign entity or adversary, which is very different from what I interpreted you as saying.
- keepamovin 2y agoYou interpreted me as saying?
- Vegenoid 2y agoI interpreted your statement as “the Pentagon has assessed the drones and determined that they did not originate in the US or any other nation”.
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- pcdoodle 2y agoIsn't it illegal to have unannounced drones flying about? They're not trackable any public platform. Screw that.
- davidw 2y agoA decent percentage of the population thinks that the president of the US can control the weather. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/government-not-controlling-the-weather/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/government-not-controlling-the-... The fact of the matter is that a lot of people have rotten, worm-riddled cabbage for brains.
- throw10920 2y agoWhere in that article does it state the percentage of people that believe that?
- vasco 2y agoOf course the government can control the weather, what are you on about: > In the United States, cloud seeding is used to increase precipitation in areas experiencing drought, to reduce the size of hailstones that form in thunderstorms, and to reduce the amount of fog in and around airports. In the summer of 1948, the usually humid city of Alexandria, Louisiana, under Mayor Carl B. Close, seeded a cloud with dry ice at the municipal airport during a drought; quickly 0.85 inches (22 mm) of rain fell.[77] > Major ski resorts occasionally use cloud seeding to induce snowfall. Eleven western states and one Canadian province (Alberta) had ongoing weather modification operational programs in 2012.[78] In 2006, an $8.8 million project began in Wyoming to examine cloud seeding's effects on snowfall over Wyoming's Medicine Bow, Sierra Madre, and Wind River mountain ranges.[79] > In Oregon, Portland General Electric used Hood River seeding to produce snow for hydro power in 1974-1975. The results were substantial, but caused an undue burden on the locals, who experienced overpowering rainfall, causing street collapses and mudslides. PGE discontinued its seeding practices the next year.[80] > In 1978, the U.S. signed the Environmental Modification Convention, which bans the use of weather modification for hostile purposes.[81] > As of 2022, seven agencies in California are conducting cloud seeding operations using silver iodide, including the Sacramento Municipal Utility District, which began employing the technique in 1969 to increase the water supply to its hydroelectric power plants, and reported that it results in "an average of 3 to 10% increase in [Sierra Nevada] snowpack".[82] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding#:~:text=In%20the%20United%20States% https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding#:~:text=In%20t...