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Final sentence is telling (among others): "Violence never solved anything" is a statement uttered by cowards and predators. Although I'm not sure what "pred
by ks2048 2y ago
Final sentence is telling (among others):
"Violence never solved anything" is a statement uttered by cowards and predators.
Although I'm not sure what "predators" means here. Don't predators use violence?
- relaxing 2y agoYes. They say it because they want to be the sole wielders of violence.
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- fshr 2y agoMy guess is he was referring to financial predators. Greed and lust rather than wrath.
- tines 2y agoNo, he's saying that predators tell their prey not to fight back.
- vouaobrasil 2y ago[flagged]
- tines 2y agoI don't think this is true. How many popular movies are war movies where the heroes are most certainly not pacifists? Even the movie starring a real-life pacifist (Hacksaw Ridge) is about how he, too, fit into the war machine.
- vouaobrasil 2y agoFirst, I meant pacifism is promoted as the only recourse for the general citizen, not for the government. Of course, war movies promote the acceptability of violence by the state. Two totally separate phenomena. The state promotes violence by the state, and being docile for the citizen.
- tines 2y agoOk, but the word pacifism means something specific. I agree with your statement about docility, I think many would call it "civility." Same thing that black people were accused of, being "uncivil," when they were rioting for civil rights.
- vouaobrasil 2y agoThat is true. It's an important definition distinction.
- munificent 2y ago> I meant pacifism is promoted as the only recourse for the general citizen What media are you consuming? Take a look at any list of top-grossing films of the past few decades and it's riddled with non-state lone wolf actors using violence to solve their problems. You're saying that John Wick, Creed, Spider-Man, The Fall Guy, Furiosa, Venom, etc. are teaching Americans to be pacifists?
- tines 2y agoThis misunderstanding was already solved in a sibling comment.
- vouaobrasil 2y agoOf course. Movies are an outlet to let off steam. We experience the violence in the theatre that is increasingly precisely because the pacified masses need a strong outlet to escape the lack of recourse for injustice in the real world.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> why pacifism is heavily promoted in mainstream media and society Yes, America's problem is it's just too peaceful, at home and abroad. Like, it's a neat hypothesis. The data just don't fit, certainly not for America. We have high rates of gun ownership and gun violence (as well as other violence, e.g. at bars and schoolyards) precisely because we like taking justice into our own hands.
- mewpmewp2 2y agoPresumably he means those in power who say it because they don't want anyone to challenge their power.
- sureglymop 2y agoDo note that he apparently quoted someone elses sentence there. A quote from the review before this paragraph: "A take I found online that I think is interesting:"
- dyauspitr 2y agoPredators try to dissuade use of violence in their victims while freely using it themselves.
- throwaway48476 2y agoThey are monopolists.
- dev1ycan 2y agoI see nothing wrong with this comment, what it's implying, predators want to be the only ones inflicting the damage and have its prey not defend itself.
- Waterluvian 2y agoI think Putin and his lackeys have exemplified this countless times in recent years. They perpetrate horrors but will cry foul when someone dares punch back.
- shoooooooooota 2y agoAlso see... that other war.
- anon291 2y agoHe's basically correct though. This statement has also sat terribly with me. Especially given how much we glorify documents like the constitution or declaration of independence. Like many absolute statements, this claim is just plain wrong. America (and many other countries) were started by revolutions. The revolutionaries had guns. Countries like India are unique for gaining freedom without violence. I mean just look at Syria. I don't have any feelings good or bad towards the rebels. But people have been trying to get rid of Assad for ages and it just took the right people with guns. One man's violence is another's righteous revolution. All political power is at the end of the barrel of a gun.
- aprilthird2021 2y ago> Countries like India are unique for gaining freedom without violence. There was a lot of violence leading up to and, sadly, after the independence of India. Gandhi was nonviolent, but many of the freedom fighters for India's independence were not.
- shipp02 2y agoAdditionally, the British couldn't hope to hold onto India without the support of the British Indian army which at that point seemed ready to revolt. The US's antiviral anti colonial stance also helped.
- anon291 2y agoSure. There's basically no examples of non-violent revolutions. India is the closest thing I can think up today.
- throwaway48476 2y agoWhat country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure. -Jefferson