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Surface Studio introduction from 2017, still looks amazing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-VvFlwsWic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-VvFlwsWic

karlgkk 2y ago
Having used one for about 18 months put me off the entire surface lineup. It sure was good looking though.
- StressedDev 2y ago
  What put you off?
  - angelgonzales 2y ago
    I used the Microsoft Surface as my daily driver for years, the finish rubbed off in the first few uses and looked terrible, the screen broke as well. They do look beautiful and it was pretty fast.
  - spiderfarmer 2y ago
    For me? Windows. How can people be productive on an OS that doesn’t allow you to focus.
    - gamblor956 2y ago
      Hundreds of millions of people manage to be productive on Windows.
      - sleepybrett 2y ago
        do they really, or is windows just what they use to launch excel? I don't know a single software developer that prefers windows anymore.
        thorncorona 2y ago
        Most of the software world is on Windows.
        philwelch 2y ago
        Maybe if you count game development. And, if you’re generous, development environments that run inside a Linux VM hosted by Windows (WSL counts).
        emptiestplace 2y ago
        It's really bad, though. Like ... objectively abysmal. No other popular platform is more dev-hostile. I think most folks are there because they lack choice or experience with alternatives.
        eitland 2y ago
        Mac user here, and I think Mac really isn't far away from being worst. Between only now finally getting tiling[1], menus filled with items I haven't seen anyone use, and since WSL came on Windows it is now the absolutely most clumsy mainstream thing to install a standard tool. Oh, and shortcuts. I still use it because it is silent, has a good display, just works when I open it, has a battery that actually last all day and because IT departments don't know how to lock it down. [1]: although I cannot use it because then I would have to re-enable "spaces pr screen" which
        emptiestplace 2y ago
        Hm. I spend most of my time in iTerm. MacOS is Unixy and cozy. WSL definitely is clumsy - actually, everything to do with containers in Windows is a pain in the ass to deal with. Run Windows in kvm, not the other way around. Have you tried Rectangle? It's not automatic, but I find it a reasonable compromise. Last I tried, Yabai et. al. were all pretty flaky compared to proper x11 twms.
        2y ago
    - cam_l 2y ago
      Easy, I just spend a few minutes every morning disabling all the new notifications, and the forced full page Microsoft ads, resetting all the settings that changed in an overnight update, write a quick powershell script to uninstall the new programs and features I never asked for, and then disable edge and omedrive again and I am ready for the day. Then I do it all again at lunch..
      - spiderfarmer 2y ago
        And after all this when you finally get to work continually dismiss every window / popup notification that is somehow allowed to steal the focus from the window you’re working in.
      - CoolCold 2y ago
        > resetting all the settings that changed in an overnight update how to track those? I'm on the way of applying 24H2 update right now and laptop's uptime is 28 days, I may have many such settings changed, if I follow your idea correctly
    - stevefan1999 2y ago
      I use Windows at home (with WSL), Hackintosh and by extension macOS at university, and Linux at my company (bare metal, not WSL) alternatively almost every day with Linux and Windows being the dominant one. In fact, Windows is my dev workstation, game battle station and media consumption all in one. And with WSL I can easily have the best of many worlds. So that why I'm the most productive on Windows. While it being a jack-of-all-trades may mean it is indeed a master of none, but it doesn't mean it is not capable of being productive. So, I'm very confused why you'd find Windows unproductive at all. And on the contrary, there is a lot of little bugs and stuffs in bare metal Linux that almost got me infuriated all the time and I tunnel visioned on fixing them...Bluetooth mysteriously doesn't work for one. Hyprland (and by extension Wayland) clipboard doesn't work with Vivaldi and VSCode under flakpak sandbox is another that I hate, plus RustDesk does not support Hyprland too...I use Fedora Silverblue btw, and distrobox let me a little bit off when I'm trying to setup podman when things didn't work as intended. While macOS...while it just works, well I don't appreciate the eye candy and people often claim to have the most productive on a Mac but to be honest I just don't see the appeal at all...but having every app "containerized" and using Zsh by default is nice tho
      - freeqaz 2y ago
        Is Hackintosh even usable these days after the transition to ARM? I've been wondering if that will kill it or if the new Windows on ARM machines from Qualcomm will revive the market. Just feels like too much special magic in Apple's hardware. But who knows?
        stevefan1999 2y ago
        If you don't want those "AI" features then Hackintosh is still pretty much alive until Sequoia Hackintosh is basically dead in ARM because they have custom ASIC and DSP chips and accelerators on package that does not present in Intel Macs. And emulating them is super inefficient at the moment.
    - CoolCold 2y ago
      Interesting, mind giving couple of examples? For myself I cannot say I have problems with focusing by using Windows OS - it's my daily driver over the years.
adolph 2y ago
Hard to believe Surface kicked off 16 short years ago https://youtu.be/Zxk_WywMTzc https://youtu.be/Zxk_WywMTzc
- seanmcdirmid 2y ago
  That surface was unrelated to the tablets and computers that reused the name afterwards. Still, that was an awesome tech at the time, multi touch and multi user, I made some great demos for it.
com2kid 2y ago
I remember how proud I felt to work at Microsoft when that video was unveiled. The company had made something so beautiful, and then done an amazing job showing it to the world. An amazing marketing video in every way that counts, except apparently in regards to sales!
- sleepybrett 2y ago
  then they ignored the line, had to make a special build of windows 11 to run on it... I have no idea why they keep doing this shit with hardware over and over.
- sbrother 2y ago
  I bought one! It was a breathtaking piece of hardware that I wanted so badly to be useful. Unfortunately my work can't be done in Windows and it wasn't powerful enough to virtualize everything (the slow HDD was the worst) and I ended up selling it. But wow, what a form factor and gorgeous screen.

karlgkk 2y ago

Having used one for about 18 months put me off the entire surface lineup. It sure was good looking though.

StressedDev 2y ago
What put you off?
- angelgonzales 2y ago
  I used the Microsoft Surface as my daily driver for years, the finish rubbed off in the first few uses and looked terrible, the screen broke as well. They do look beautiful and it was pretty fast.
- spiderfarmer 2y ago
  For me? Windows. How can people be productive on an OS that doesn’t allow you to focus.
  - gamblor956 2y ago
    Hundreds of millions of people manage to be productive on Windows.
    - sleepybrett 2y ago
      do they really, or is windows just what they use to launch excel? I don't know a single software developer that prefers windows anymore.
      - thorncorona 2y ago
        Most of the software world is on Windows.
        philwelch 2y ago
        Maybe if you count game development. And, if you’re generous, development environments that run inside a Linux VM hosted by Windows (WSL counts).
        emptiestplace 2y ago
        It's really bad, though. Like ... objectively abysmal. No other popular platform is more dev-hostile. I think most folks are there because they lack choice or experience with alternatives.
        eitland 2y ago
        Mac user here, and I think Mac really isn't far away from being worst. Between only now finally getting tiling[1], menus filled with items I haven't seen anyone use, and since WSL came on Windows it is now the absolutely most clumsy mainstream thing to install a standard tool. Oh, and shortcuts. I still use it because it is silent, has a good display, just works when I open it, has a battery that actually last all day and because IT departments don't know how to lock it down. [1]: although I cannot use it because then I would have to re-enable "spaces pr screen" which
        emptiestplace 2y ago
        Hm. I spend most of my time in iTerm. MacOS is Unixy and cozy. WSL definitely is clumsy - actually, everything to do with containers in Windows is a pain in the ass to deal with. Run Windows in kvm, not the other way around. Have you tried Rectangle? It's not automatic, but I find it a reasonable compromise. Last I tried, Yabai et. al. were all pretty flaky compared to proper x11 twms.
        2y ago
  - cam_l 2y ago
    Easy, I just spend a few minutes every morning disabling all the new notifications, and the forced full page Microsoft ads, resetting all the settings that changed in an overnight update, write a quick powershell script to uninstall the new programs and features I never asked for, and then disable edge and omedrive again and I am ready for the day. Then I do it all again at lunch..
    - spiderfarmer 2y ago
      And after all this when you finally get to work continually dismiss every window / popup notification that is somehow allowed to steal the focus from the window you’re working in.
    - CoolCold 2y ago
      > resetting all the settings that changed in an overnight update how to track those? I'm on the way of applying 24H2 update right now and laptop's uptime is 28 days, I may have many such settings changed, if I follow your idea correctly
  - stevefan1999 2y ago
    I use Windows at home (with WSL), Hackintosh and by extension macOS at university, and Linux at my company (bare metal, not WSL) alternatively almost every day with Linux and Windows being the dominant one. In fact, Windows is my dev workstation, game battle station and media consumption all in one. And with WSL I can easily have the best of many worlds. So that why I'm the most productive on Windows. While it being a jack-of-all-trades may mean it is indeed a master of none, but it doesn't mean it is not capable of being productive. So, I'm very confused why you'd find Windows unproductive at all. And on the contrary, there is a lot of little bugs and stuffs in bare metal Linux that almost got me infuriated all the time and I tunnel visioned on fixing them...Bluetooth mysteriously doesn't work for one. Hyprland (and by extension Wayland) clipboard doesn't work with Vivaldi and VSCode under flakpak sandbox is another that I hate, plus RustDesk does not support Hyprland too...I use Fedora Silverblue btw, and distrobox let me a little bit off when I'm trying to setup podman when things didn't work as intended. While macOS...while it just works, well I don't appreciate the eye candy and people often claim to have the most productive on a Mac but to be honest I just don't see the appeal at all...but having every app "containerized" and using Zsh by default is nice tho
    - freeqaz 2y ago
      Is Hackintosh even usable these days after the transition to ARM? I've been wondering if that will kill it or if the new Windows on ARM machines from Qualcomm will revive the market. Just feels like too much special magic in Apple's hardware. But who knows?
      - stevefan1999 2y ago
        If you don't want those "AI" features then Hackintosh is still pretty much alive until Sequoia Hackintosh is basically dead in ARM because they have custom ASIC and DSP chips and accelerators on package that does not present in Intel Macs. And emulating them is super inefficient at the moment.
  - CoolCold 2y ago
    Interesting, mind giving couple of examples? For myself I cannot say I have problems with focusing by using Windows OS - it's my daily driver over the years.

adolph 2y ago

Hard to believe Surface kicked off 16 short years ago https://youtu.be/Zxk_WywMTzc https://youtu.be/Zxk_WywMTzc

seanmcdirmid 2y ago
That surface was unrelated to the tablets and computers that reused the name afterwards. Still, that was an awesome tech at the time, multi touch and multi user, I made some great demos for it.

com2kid 2y ago

I remember how proud I felt to work at Microsoft when that video was unveiled. The company had made something so beautiful, and then done an amazing job showing it to the world. An amazing marketing video in every way that counts, except apparently in regards to sales!

sleepybrett 2y ago
then they ignored the line, had to make a special build of windows 11 to run on it... I have no idea why they keep doing this shit with hardware over and over.
sbrother 2y ago
I bought one! It was a breathtaking piece of hardware that I wanted so badly to be useful. Unfortunately my work can't be done in Windows and it wasn't powerful enough to virtualize everything (the slow HDD was the worst) and I ended up selling it. But wow, what a form factor and gorgeous screen.