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My understanding is that naturally occurring fructose found in whole fruits is accompanied by fiber, vitamins, and minerals, which help mitigate any negative ef
by fallinditch 2y ago
My understanding is that naturally occurring fructose found in whole fruits is accompanied by fiber, vitamins, and minerals, which help mitigate any negative effects of fructose when consumed as part of a balanced diet.
However, it sounds like we should maybe be avoiding excessive amounts of certain fruit. See: A Definitive Guide to Fructose Content in Fruit [1]
There was a recent episode from Diary of a CEO with a cancer expert. He seems to have some really sound advice. One particular take away for me was his finding that when the body enters a ketogenic state due to fasting the body produces defences that eat up cancer cells [2]
[1] https://iquitsugar.com/blogs/articles/a-definitive-guide-to-fructose-content-in-fruit https://iquitsugar.com/blogs/articles/a-definitive-guide-to-...
[2] https://youtu.be/VaVC3PAWqLk?feature=shared https://youtu.be/VaVC3PAWqLk?feature=shared
- ChumpGPT 2y agoFruit has changed dramatically over the last Century. I imagine there was a time when it was much smaller, less sweet, and only available seasonally. In this new world, we have 24/7/365 access to as much and whatever we want. There are Cherries along with every type of fruit you could want at Costco today and it's December.
- Noumenon72 2y agoCherries out of season are wrinkly and weird tasting, unless Costco has solved that. Cherries and pomegranates are my two most "seasonal" fruits, in contrast to the always-available ones. I feel like mangoes and cantaloupes have seasons too, I just don't know how to detect them since they keep selling them even when they're not good.
- Nasrudith 2y agoExcept the fruit in the past was often available out of season but as pickling or preserves, via either excesses of salt or sugar. For several centuries. Let alone the parts of the world that don't really have four seasons, instead having only two, wet and dry seasons. The point being I'm not sure how much relatively recent norms will actually be able to tell us about health.
- lambdaba 2y agoI doubt modern fruit, optimized for sweetness, has a very favorable vitamin-mineral/fructose ratio.
- url00 2y agoNot sure why you are being downvoted, this is a good point to bring up.
- Vitamin_Sushi 2y agoI didn't downvote, but I can imagine that most people weren't aware of that claim. I'm skeptical of it as well since I'm not aware of any research that shows fructose in fruit increasing over time.
- swatcoder 2y agoCommercial incentives are to engineer varietals for contemporary aesthetics (sweet, unbitter, colorful, unblemished, large) and crop turnover (rapid growth, tolerance for depleted soil), nutrition has been way down on the priority list for nearly a century now. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/soil-depletion-and-nutrition-loss/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/soil-depletion-an... If you don't believe food is sweeter and less nutritious, you're firing a shot at many-billion-dollar industries that have been earnestly been trying to optimize the above for all that time. It's not a pleasant thing to believe, but its hard to refute. IIRC, You should be able to do your own deep dives here: https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/food-search?type=SR%20Legacy&query= https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/food-search?type=SR%20Legacy&query=
- magicalist 2y ago> It's not a pleasant thing to believe, but its hard to refute. Refute what? There still hasn't been any evidence provided for this claim.
- Attummm 2y agoTo add to your point. The food industry, like any other industry, focuses on numbers. Consumer spending favors new varieties of fruit with sweeter taste (e.g., increased glucose/fructose content). This process has led to our current comical situation where fruit, which is perceived as natural, has become unfit for consumption by animals. >Fruits have gotten too sweet for some animals and zookeepers have had to find alternative foods. https://weather.com/news/news/2018-10-03-fruit-so-sweet-zoo-stopped-feeding-them-to-animals https://weather.com/news/news/2018-10-03-fruit-so-sweet-zoo-...
- 0cf8612b2e1e 2y agoIs there a lower prevalence of cancer in cultures that fast?
- wigster 2y agoor in Inuit people who i imagine don't get much fresh fruit except a few berries?
- lambdaba 2y agoeverywhere, cancer & chronic disease rates go up as diets get westernized
- lm28469 2y agoYep, that's because most cancers are lifestyle related, remove alcohol, tobacco and bad diets/obesity and you remove 75% of cancers. https://www.oatext.com/which-environment-makes-cancer.php https://www.oatext.com/which-environment-makes-cancer.php
- lambdaba 2y agoObviously yes, so is most chronic disease, but bring up people being healed by lifestyle & diet intervention and prepare for relentless attacks from both doctors and laypeople.
- cortic 2y agoIsn't that just selection bias, as diets get westernized so does medical care and so we detect more diseases..
- lambdaba 2y agothis is even counter to mainstream medical opinion
- unsupp0rted 2y ago
- altairprime 2y agoIt would still be net beneficial for anyone consuming industrial fructose to switch to fresh fruit of any kind. However, yes, if you’ve already withdrawn added fructose in processed foods and drinks from your diet, you could certainly optimize further on which kinds of fresh fruit you consume. It won’t make any difference if you still drink fructose soda, though.
- arcticbull 2y agoWell, any sugary drink. HFCS is 42-55% fructose whereas table sugar (sucrose) is ... 50-50 glucose to fructose. You will still get roughly the same total exposure to fructose (maybe even more) by switching to table sugar. The only difference is that sucrose has to be broken down into glucose and fructose by sucrase, so the exposure is somewhat smoother instead of hitting you all at once, although humans have more than enough sucrase to make it a pretty quick process.
- altairprime 2y ago(Yes; but, the post is about fructose.)
- arcticbull 2y agoI guess my point was that table sugar breaks down into fructose.
- throw646577 2y agoGoing to go out on a limb here and say you probably shouldn't get any scientific advice about nutrition -- or really any scientific advice at all -- from anyone on Diary Of A CEO.
- lambdaba 2y agowhat a dumb remark, what does it matter who the host is
- thot_experiment 2y agoIt absolutely does matter?? If you're trying to do reference class forecasting and your class is "a person who is not a CEO" and then you're forecasting based on anecdata of "people who are a CEO" you're not going to get good predictions.
- airstrike 2y agopeople on the show aren't strictly "CEOs" in the truest sense of that word. just to pick an obvious counterexample, Robert Greene is an author, not a CEO, and he was a guest
- throw646577 2y agoThe host in this case is a significant investor in Huel who seemingly fails to mention his relationship to it when bigging it up. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0rwz5xkrg8o https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0rwz5xkrg8o To me it casts any discussion of nutrition on his podcast in a somewhat different, less than neutral light.
- lambdaba 2y agoOkay, but the parent was implying that would discredit the interviewee. One thing I've observed with people that have an important message to disseminate is they are not fussy about what the medium is
- culopatin 2y agoThat list of fructose levels is pretty useless when the units of measurement change per fruit. 1 cup vs 1 guava or 1 banana?
- doodlebugging 2y agoAt least they didn't use standard layman units like a fractional volume of an Olympic sized swimming pool.
- eikenberry 2y agoI thought levels of fructose weren't as important as other qualities, like fiber content. For example, Dates are often referenced as a good fruit option due to the high fiber content but that guide doesn't mention fiber at all and has dates in the high fructose category. This seems like standard operating procedure in anything dietary where it is more about a specific aspect of the food and less about communicating well rounded advice.
- lm28469 2y ago> I thought levels of fructose weren't as important as other qualities, like fiber content. > Dates are often referenced as a good fruit option fyi, 100gr of dried dates it like 3 to 4 times the average amount of sugar recommended per day. Just 2 medjool dates and you hit your daily sugar recommendation. At the end of the day your body will have to process the stuff you ingest, if it comes with fibers the digestion will be slower, but if you eat too much of X Y Z day after day it's just a matter of time before your body gives up
- papa_bear 2y agoI believe you'll meet the "Added or Free sugar" recommendation with 2 medjool dates, but AFAIK, the guideline isn't as strict on naturally occurring sugars, if there is any guideline at all aside from general carb consumption. Dates also have a surprisingly low glycemic index for how sweet they are.
- EPWN3D 2y agoDried fruits have the same amount of sugar as fresh, but all the fiber is removed so you absorb all of that sugar. When discussing the nutritional value of fruits and why sugar from fruits isn't "bad" for you, it should be assumed you're discussing fresh and not dried fruit.
- l5870uoo9y 2y agoMonkeys at a UK were put off “human” bananas and developed diabetes[1]. Fruit is healthy desert not - like vegetables - main course. [1]: https://edition.cnn.com/2014/01/15/world/europe/uk-zoo-monkeys-bananas/index.html?no-st=9999999999 https://edition.cnn.com/2014/01/15/world/europe/uk-zoo-monke...
- arcticbull 2y agoFruits are very low density thanks to all that water and undigestible fibre. You would get hella bored eating enough fruit to make it problematic. There's 9g of sugar in an orange, and a can of coke has 39g. You'd have to eat a pound or so of oranges to equal a single can of coke. The issue isn't the fruit.
- georgecmu 2y ago> One particular take away for me was his finding that when the body enters a ketogenic state due to fasting the body produces defences that eat up cancer cells As with everything, mileage will vary. Pro: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6375425/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6375425/ Contra: https://www.cancer.columbia.edu/news/study-finds-keto-diet-could-contribute-cancer-metastasis https://www.cancer.columbia.edu/news/study-finds-keto-diet-c... “We did indeed see that the ketogenic diet suppressed tumor growth — but we also saw, surprisingly, that it promoted tumor metastasis,” says Gu. “That was really a shock to us.”
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- fallinditch 2y agoI think there's a misunderstanding here, my fault for not being clearer. I think I should have used the phrase 'when the body enters a state of ketosis' i.e. the state you get to when fasting when your body starts burning core fat. I believe the word ketogenic refers to the type of meat heavy diet. Thanks for those links, the fact that eating a lot of meat can promote tumor metastasis does not surprise me.
- sophacles 2y agoThere are plenty of vegetarian ketogenic diets. A ketogenic diet is one that contains very few, or no carbohydrates to maintain the ketosis - just high in fats and medium in proteins. Meat is a convenient form of food with those properties, so often people maintaining such a diet eat a lot of meat.
- arcticbull 2y agoKetosis occurs when your body switches from consuming glucose as its primary fuel source to consuming ketones which are generated from the breakdown of fatty acids, either from the diet or endogenous. Almost all body tissue can run on ketones instead of on glucose, except for certain important tissues like red blood cells, 30% of the brain, retina, some kidney tissue, etc. For the rest, your body synthesizes the glucose it needs via gluconeogenesis from some protein substrates and from glycerol backbodes from triglycerides. These inputs can be either from the diet or from your fat stores. Fasting for a few days causes your body to enter authophagy through the inhibition of mTOR in addition to ketosis, so that could account for some of the difference.
- bloqs 2y agoDiary of a CEO should not have the proxy-BBC approval Steven enjoys. He regularly has quacks and misinformation pedallers on there shamelessly, and his willingness to fall under their spell demostrates concerning levels of naivete or (worse) willing negligence for engagements sake.
- CommanderData 2y agoI have the same problem listening to the host. Eager to peddle nonsense blindly has put me off watching his podcasts entirely, and a lack of critique. But sadly it's true of many YouTube podcasts today.
- throw646577 2y agoGood news: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gpz163vg2o https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gpz163vg2o
- slowmovintarget 2y agoThe rankings are a little off... I mean, you don't eat one prune, or one apricot. You tend to have a few, and that would put them right up next to, say, an apple, in the "medium" ranks. That's the same as that "Serving Size" trick on nutrition information guides where the "serving size" is 5 potato chips instead of the entire bag.
- amanaplanacanal 2y agoA reminder: table sugar and high fructose corn syrup are both about 50% fructose.
- venkat223 2y agoThe recent shoes to me that the precursor for cancer is diabetes and inflammatory biotoxins