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I actually pay 166 Euros a month for Claude Teams. Five seats. And I only use one. For myself. Why do I pay so much? Because the normal paid version (20 USD a m
by submeta 2y ago
I actually pay 166 Euros a month for Claude Teams. Five seats. And I only use one. For myself. Why do I pay so much? Because the normal paid version (20 USD a month) interrups the chats after a dozen questions and wants me to wait a few hours until I can use it again. But Teams plan gives me way more questions.
But why do I pay that much? Because Claude in combination with the Projects feature, where I can upload two dozen or more files, PDFs, text, and give it a context, and then ask questions in this specific context over a period of week or longer, come back to it and continue the inquiry, all of this gives me superpowers. Feels like a handful of researchers at my fingertips that I can brainstorm with, that I can ask to review the documents, come up with answers to my questions, all of this is unbelievably powerful.
I‘d be ok with 40 or 50 USD a month for one user, alas Claude won’t offer it. So I pay 166 Euros for five seats and use one. Because it saves me a ton of work.
- archerx 2y agoWhy not use the API? You can ask as many questions as you can pay for.
- js212 2y agoTry typingmind.com with the API
- carbine 2y agoI have ChatGPT ($20/month tier) and Claude and I absolutely see this use case. Claude is great but I love long threads where I can have it help me with a series of related problems over the course of a day. I'm rarely doing a one-shot. Hitting the limits is super frustrating. So I understand the unlimited use case and honestly am considering shelling out for the o1 unlimited tier, if o1 is useful enough. A theoretical app subscription for $200/month feels expensive. Having the equivalent a smart employee work beside me all day for $200/month feels like a deal.
- jakubtomanik 2y agoHave you tried LibreChat https://www.librechat.ai/ https://www.librechat.ai/ and just use it with your own API keys? You pay for what you use and can use and switch between all major model providers
- dbbk 2y agoAnd how often is it wrong?
- ryandvm 2y agoI bet you never get tired of being told LLMs are just statistical computational curiosities.
- ganzuul 2y agoThere are people like that. We don't know what's up with them.
- fragmede 2y agoIt's pretty easy to explain. You see, they're unable to produce a response that isn't in their training data. They're stochastic parrots.
- xpe 2y agoPlease clarify what you mean. On what basis do you say this? Unless I’m misunderstanding, I disagree. If you reply, I’ll bet I can convince you.
- sigh_again 2y agoUnless you have full access to the entirety of their training data, you can try to convince all you want, but you're just grasping at straws. LLMs are stochastic parrots incapable of thought or reasoning. Even their chains of thoughts are part of the training data.
- xpe 2y agoMost importantly, I'm happy to learn and/or be shown to be mistaken. Based on my study (not at the Ph.D. level but still quite intensive), I am confident the comment above is both wrong and poorly framed. Why? Seeing phrases "incapable of thought" and "stochastic parrots" are red flags to me. In my experience, people that study LLM systems are wary of using such brash phrases. They tend to move the conservation away from understanding towards combativeness and/or confusion. Being this direct might sound brusque and/or unpersuasive. My top concern at this point, not knowing you, is that you might not prioritize learning and careful discussion. If you want to continue discussing, here is what I suggest: First, are you familiar with the double-crux technique? If not, the CFAR page is a good start. Second, please share three papers (or high-quality writing from experts): one that supports your claim, one that opposes it, and one that attempts to synthesize. Third, perhaps we can find a better forum.
- e1g 2y agoUnironically, thank you for sharing this strategy. I get throttled a lot, and I'm happy to pay to remove those frustrating limits.
- arcastroe 2y agoSounds like you two could split the cost of the family plan-- ahem the team plan.
- hackernewds 2y agoand share private questions with each other
- bravetraveler 2y agoTraining with Transparency
- klntsky 2y agoAre the limits applied to the org or to each individual user?
- submeta 2y agoIndividual users
- CosmicShadow 2y agoYep, I have 2 accounts I use because I kept hitting limits. I was going to do the Teams to get the 5x window, but I got instantly banned when clicking the teams button on a new account, so I ended up sticking with 2 separate accounts. It's a bit of a pain, but I'm used to it. My other account has since been unbanned, but I haven't needed it lately as I finished most of my coding.
- mtlynch 2y agoKagi Ultimate (US$25/mo) includes unlimited use of all the Anthropic models. Full disclosure: I participated in Kagi's crowdfund, so I have some financial stake in the company, but I mainly participated because I'm an enthusiastic customer.
- baobabKoodaa 2y agoThanks for the tip! Now I'm a Kagi user too.
- antihero 2y agoHow would you rate Kagi Ultimate vs Arc search? IE is it scraping relevant websites live and summarising them? Or is it just access to ChatGPT and other models (with their old data). At some point I'm going to subscribe to Kagi again (once I have a job) so be interested to see how it rates.
- mtlynch 2y agoI've never tried Arc search, so I couldn't say. I think it's all the LLMs + some Kagi-specific intelligence on top because you can flip web search on and off for all the chats.
- __MatrixMan__ 2y agoI'm uninformed about this, it may just be superstition, but my feeling while using Kagi in this way is that after using it for a few hours it gets a bit more forgetful. I come back the next day and it's smart again, for while. It's as if there's some kind of soft throttling going on in the background. I'm an enthusiastic customer nonetheless, but it is curious.
- hellcow 2y agoI noticed this too! It's dramatic in the same chat. I'll come back the next day, and even though I still have the full convo history, and it's as if it completely forgot all my earlier instructions.
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- ipsum2 2y agoPay as you go using the anthropic API and an open source UI frontend like librechat would be a lot cheaper I suspect.
- handfuloflight 2y agoDepends on how much context he loads up into the chat. The web version is quite generous when compared to the API, from my estimations.
- esafak 2y agoYou.com (search engine and LLM aggregator) has a team plan for $25/month. https://you.com/plans https://you.com/plans
- archon810 2y agoHave you tried NotebookLM for something like this?
- arresin 2y agoIsn’t that Google’s garbage models only?
- ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 2y agoWhats garbage about it?
- arresin 2y ago1. Hallucinates more than any other model (Gemini flash/pro 1,1.5, 1121). 2. Useless with large context. Ignores, forgets, etc. 3. Terrible code and code understanding. Also this is me hoping it would be good and looking at it with rose tinted glasses because I could use cloud credits to run it and save money.
- ablation 2y agoNotebookLM is designed for a distinct use case compared to using Gemini's models in a general chat-style interface. It's specifically geared towards research and operates primarily as a RAG system for documents you upload. I’ve used it extensively to cross-reference and analyse academic papers, and the performance has been excellent so far. While this is just my personal experience (YMMV), it’s far more reliable and focused than Gemini when it comes to this specific use case. I've rarely experienced a hallucination with it. But perhaps that's the way I'm using it.
- wasabi991011 2y agoCan you detail how you use NotebookLM for academic papers? I've looked into it, but as usual with LLM I feel like I'm not getting much out of it due to lack of imagination when it comes to prompting.
- jjfoooo4 2y agoI haven’t implemented this yet, but I’m planning on doing a fallback to other Claude models when hitting API limits, IIUC they rate limit per model
- umeshunni 2y agoOut of curiosity, why don't you use NotebookLM for the same functionality?
- fragmede 2y agoDo you not have any friends to share that with? Or share a family cell phone plan or Netflix with?
- strunz 2y agoThey're probably lay an adult, so I would guess not.
- interludead 2y agoA great middle ground