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CNBC reports that the gunman used a silencer. Wtf?
by auntienomen 2y ago
CNBC reports that the gunman used a silencer. Wtf?
- mikeyouse 2y agoAnd had been waiting outside for him for at least 20 minutes... certainly targeted.
- alchemist1e9 2y agoAnd maybe silenced? seems like professional hit from details so far.
- busterarm 2y agoIt's still slightly impressive. The lobby of that hotel takes up half a city block and has many entrances and exits. There are lots of ways to get in that are not necessarily the front door. If I were approaching this professionally I'd be waiting near the check-in desk or elevators.
- cogman10 2y agoWe can't know that. There are plenty of avenues for a citizen to get a silencer, long range rifle, and places to train.
- busterarm 2y agoIt's at least a 5hr drive from NYC to get to anywhere remotely gun-friendly, like New Hampshire.
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- jredwards 2y agoI kinda doubt that. Suppressors aren't that hard to come by.
- sexyman48 2y agoYes, a professional's getaway vehicle is always bicycle.
- alchemist1e9 2y agoIt has a lot of signs of a professional hit the more details come out. The ebike was used to get into central park to somewhere without cameras and change clothing etc. The video is somewhat consistent with a how a professional might appear, calm with reload/jam, back to camera then flee down alley.
- eastbound 2y agoAre there scenarios where the police could fail to investigate, knowing the reputation of the shaddy insurance?
- onychomys 2y agoIf true crime podcasts have taught us anything, it's that police don't really need an excuse to do a shoddy investigation.
- OptionOfT 2y agoIn all seriousness: silencers are legally available in most states. It just takes a while for the paperwork to go through (8-10 months).
- kasey_junk 2y agoThough they are illegal in New York.
- busterarm 2y agoAs are the guns themselves.
- mikeyouse 2y agoNah, it's an onerous process but plenty of people have concealed carry permits in NYC.
- busterarm 2y agoCostly permit. Requires authorization by high-ranking NYPD. Only given out to people in certain jobs or with bribes. The only practice range is in Ridgeland. You're required to transport it in your own car, in the trunk, ammo separate from the gun, and only to and from the range. That puts it well beyond the reach of the vast majority of NYC residents.
- HDThoreaun 2y agoSupreme court got rid of may issue gun licenses. All gun permits in the US are now shall issue.
- mikeyouse 2y agoYep - most of people's impressions of NYC's gun laws/rights are really outdated..
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- toomuchtodo 2y agoOnly a handful of states require a permit to buy a firearm. A suppressor is equally easy to procure, and failing that, can be machined by anyone somewhat competent with a lathe. Won't link to it here, Youtube videos available with a quick web search. https://brilliantmaps.com/buy-gun-map/ https://brilliantmaps.com/buy-gun-map/
- busterarm 2y agoThat's basically propaganda and half-admits it on the site. There are almost no situations where you will not be buying your firearm from an FFL and you will have to fill out a background check form and have a waiting period. The only private sales that happen are among criminals and within families. Regular people aren't going to risk the kind of charges that stem from misuse after a private sale. Certainly nobody with a legitimate business and livelihood to protect.
- toomuchtodo 2y agoFlorida resident, have bought one without filling out any paperwork. Concealed carry license was paperwork though. I guess we're haggling over the background check? Sure, I concede I had to give them a page of info with a copy of my FL driver's license. https://www.fdle.state.fl.us/FPP/FAQs2.aspx https://www.fdle.state.fl.us/FPP/FAQs2.aspx ("Florida does not require a permit to purchase a firearm nor is there a permit that exempts any person from the background check requirement.")
- behringer 2y agoFilling out the background check is still an application to own a gun, eg a "permit application". Just because the government wants to pretend that it isn't a permit (for second amendment reasons) doesn't mean it's not a permit.
- bdangubic 2y agopermit would imply that it would be plausible for one person out of 8+ billion to be denied which you know… you can call it permit but I would call it piece of paper
- oceanplexian 2y agoIn the interest of brevity, they're not called silencers, they're called suppressors since they don't "silence" anything like in a Hollywood movie. Typically a suppressor will reduce the sound signature of a gunshot from something like 140dBA to 110dBA. Still enough to cause hearing damage and be heard a quarter mile away.
- criddell 2y agoThey are called silencers. It's the number one definition for the word in my dictionary.
- yyuugg 2y agoGun owners don't call them silencers. Movies call them silencers and non gun owners watch movies so that word has entered the lexicon. But it's extremely incorrect-- suppressors don't silence guns. Suppressed firearms are still loud.
- tstrimple 2y agoThis is nonsense. Even the companies that make them often call them silencers. And your information is wildly out of date on how quiet suppressed subsonic ammo can be. https://www.silencercentral.com/shop/silencers/rifle https://www.silencercentral.com/shop/silencers/rifle
- criddell 2y ago> Gun owners don't call them silencers. In the US where there are around 100 million gun owners, you can't say much about the group collectively other than they own at least one gun. Lots of gun owners (including me) call them silencers.
- jredwards 2y agoThe original use case was hearing protection. The modern tactical use case is that it makes it somewhat harder to tell where a shot came from. In almost no scenario does it actually make a gunshot quiet (maybe a subsonic .22).
- xyst 2y ago> The suspect is described as using a firearm with a silencer, the person said. https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/04/unitedhealth-cancels-investor-day-after-reports-of-executive-shot-in-manhattan.html https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/04/unitedhealth-cancels-investo... Crazy, if true. Perpetrator knew many people in the area. Had to reduce the chance of raising suspicion. Although “silencers” (suppressors is the better term) are not very silent as depicted in films and tv, but do suppress the muzzle flash and suppress generated sound. I guess in a crowded NYC, that’s just enough needed to escape the scene.
- mywittyname 2y agoSuppressors don't just reduce the sound, but they reduce muzzle flash pretty dramatically. So it would help prevent someone from seeing the flash and knowing where the shot came from
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