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President Biden pardons his son Hunter Biden
- more_corn 2y agoThat’s a clear abuse of presidential power.
- riiii 2y agoYou ain't seen nothing yet.
- harambae 2y agoWell no one is impeaching him with 2 months left
- dredmorbius 2y agoI wouldn't put anything past the new Congress.
- archagon 2y ago[flagged]
- arresin 2y agoWhataboutism. This act is objectively wrong
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- salawat 2y agoTurning the tables: If what he is concerned about is whataboutism to you, then what you are worried about is also whataboutism to him. Both can be safely discarded from one another's consideration. ...That is, unless you're willing to admit neither of your concerns is "merely dismissable as whataboutism" in which case both warrant due attention! Isn't logic fun?
- Gud 2y agoNo, they are not equal, because the actual topic at hand is how a sitting president is using his powers to give favors to his family. There is no “what about”, it’s literally the topic!
- salawat 2y agoMore legitimate than the last Trump presidency that saw Trump granting pardons to convicted fraudsters like Michael Liberty; and while this escalation by Biden isn't right, given the circumstances and rhetoric of the President elect, I can't say I can't why Biden made the decision he did. Tit-for-tat. Exactly as predicted by game theory. Enjoy the consequences. I can only hope this serves as a generational lesson as to the danger and power of the highest Office of the Executive Branch, and maybe knocks some sense into people that no, it ain't just a popularity contest. Just because a President doesn't have the power of the purse, doesn't mean a man can't do massive damage in 4 years. Not anymore.
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- coriro 2y agoUnsurprising really. Just shows how the whole lot of them are corrupt.
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- John23832 2y agoWhile I do see this as an clear conflict of interest, I do think that this was the correct thing to do. There's no world that Hunter receives a far trial in the midst of the hyper-polarized political world we're in.
- bediger4000 2y agoTrump pardoned Joe Arpaio, Dinesh D'Souza, Bernie Kerik, Michael Flynn, Roger Stone and Paul Manafort. Given the lawfare that Republican courts have waged against Hunter, this seems like fair play, and very much in line with what Trump does.
- wunderland 2y agoWhat "lawfare"? How was Hunter unfairly targeted here?
- bediger4000 2y agoOh come on. If Trump gets to plead lawfare, then Hunter certainly is a victim of it. Just to be generous, I'll cite Hunter Biden's plea deal that almost went through, but got rejected at the final moment. That's lawfare, plain and simple, a consequence of Republicans trying to do a Benghazi on Biden.
- limit499karma 2y agoAnother reading would see this "lawfare" narrative as a device to fool the citizenry. Both sides know they will get pardoned but by having "lawfare" give the impression (to the impressionable and propagandized public) that we do not have in this nation a ruling class that protects its own and does as it pleases.
- Terr_ 2y ago> I’m trying to imagine how I would have reacted if, back when I was a supervisor at the Southern District of New York, another prosecutor had come to me with this pitch: > "We’ve got this case on a guy who had a gun almost five years ago. He was a drug addict at the time, and he lied about that when he filled out some forms to buy the gun. He had the gun for 11 days, nobody ever fired it or used it to do anything, and it wound up getting tossed in a trash can. The guy has had major drug issues and ugly familial problems, but no prior convictions. " > I would have had two immediate questions. First: What’s the crime? Second: Don’t we have better things to do? https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/why-hunter-bidens-prosecution-doesnt-make-sense.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/why-hunter-bidens-pr...
- c0balt 2y agoInteresting, from the perspective of a father wanting to protect his son, it is understandable. It is just difficult from the perspective of a president even if the reason may sound superficially correct.
- rvz 2y agoThen Joe Biden should have just said he would do so, instead of saying in front of the press and everyone else that he would not pardon his son. So is it fair to say that Biden repeatedly lied in front of everyone?
- dnissley 2y agoPrecisely. Would have been so much better if he had just sent a memo effectively saying: "He's my son, so I'm pardoning him, end of story. Sorry I lied about this, I genuinely regret it."
- rainworld 2y ago>I genuinely regret it. But he doesn’t regret anything. None of them ever do. Stop writing fan fiction, stop falling for the same lies and theater every 4/8 years and start facing the reality of how America is ruled.
- jmye 2y ago> is it fair to say that Biden …lied… Of course it is. So what?
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- rvz 2y ago> It literally does not matter. So it somehow "literally does not matter" for Biden to lie to the country just because Trump also lies? That really is not a good excuse to ignore whatever lies Biden says since he and the democrats should know better. What else has Biden been lying to us about then?
- riiii 2y agoThat's bad. I have to say though that I'm more bothered that the guy taking over has said he wants generals like Hitler had.
- AzzyHN 2y agoThat certainly doesn't look good.
- potato3732842 2y agoShame. I was hoping to see a legal showdown and the drugs section of the 4470 get tossed.
- ttyprintk 2y agoProsecutions based on it seem so rare that it’s only brought out against Bidens.
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- clipsy 2y agoI think you will find that a large majority of people supporting both parties vote based on factors like desired policies and the current state of the nation, rather than (pardon my phrasing) trumped up personal drama.
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- aaomidi 2y agoDude lied on a federal form when he bought a gun while using drugs. That law shouldn’t exist. However that exact law is why I can’t buy firearms. Not happy with this.
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- aguaviva 2y agoThe money laundering operation that is the Ukraine war Whatever shenanigans may have taken place -- this is just caricature. And a silly way of broadly describing the conflict. Even if it does make for a neat, emotionally invigorating soundbite.
- sillyfluke 2y ago>a silly way of broadly describing the conflict Admittedly, the comment you responded to is sparse on details but in addition to other goals--some of them noble--money laundering and other adjacent activities by those close to the center of power is often a side effect characteristic of these sorts of adventures. It's reasonable to posit that both noble actions and lots of neferious activities can co-exist. And since the commenter specifically mentions the plea deal in relation to Hunter's past dealings with Ukraine, it should be reasonable to assume he was referring to that aspect of the war. I tried reading the comment in good faith so I thought the commenter was alluding to Hunter's alleged entaglements with Ukraine, being on a board or advisor to some ukranian company or whatnot when he had no qualifications for being there. A reasonable devil's advocate position would suggest that the pardon would prevent Hunter from being forced to expose other incriminating details in exchange for leniency, if there was such a possibility.
- aguaviva 2y agoI just don't get these weird, obviously untenable characterizations that people like to toss around, as if they were pure and simple facts.
- archagon 2y agoIt doesn’t seem fair that an article can get unflagged while its comments can not. Half the discussion has been nuked for seemingly political reasons by the time the article is back on the front page, giving a warped perspective of what the userbase actually thinks about it. Frankly, this wasn’t that popular of a thread to begin with, so I’m not sure why dang decided to revive it.
- archagon 2y agoIt’s telling that Republicans mistake an act of love for corruption. Everything about the Hunter Biden prosecution was abnormally politicized[1], and Trump would have loved to squash him like a bug just to spite his father. [1] Seriously, before downvoting out of reflex, just read the fuckin’ thing and ask yourself if this sounds like justice being done: https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/rcna182437 https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/rcna182437
- lenkite 2y agoStop linking MSNBC and start linking the U.S. Department of Justice. Before calling an act of extreme nepotism an act of "love", I suggest just read the fuckin’ thing and ask yourself whether the pardon sounds like corruption in action. Remember, Hunter Biden himself pleaded guilty in federal court to ALL counts in a nine-count indictment, including three felony tax offenses and six misdemeanor tax offenses. There was NO plea agreement. https://www.justice.gov/sco-weiss/pr/robert-hunter-biden-convicted-three-felony-tax-offenses-and-six-misdemeanor-tax-offenses https://www.justice.gov/sco-weiss/pr/robert-hunter-biden-con... Biden threatened his father that he would SING like a Canary about Ukraine and all that talk about Justice and "Rule of Law" went out of the Window. If this was Trump, Jesus, the whole media would be BUZZING 24x7, issuing death threats for a whole month and screaming that it is the END of the world. Instead they are all nice and forgiving - making baby-diaper statements like: its a mild stain on Biden's reputation that doesn't negate his so many years of public service, blah-blah. Some even outright stating that he did the "right thing" and that he should issue preemptive pardons for everyone in his administration. How fast can he sign pardons before inauguration day ? (Maybe his handlers can hold his hand as they wipe his ass ?) These statements being made by the same media heads who feted Biden's “I abide by the jury decision. I will do that and I will not pardon him.” statement. Biden is SO GOOD. The scent of evil, rotting hypocrisy is sickening.
- aguaviva 2y agoBiden threatened his father that he would SING like a Canary about Ukraine The scent of just making up specific factual details because hey, why not? If it feels true, it is true.
- ithkuil 2y agoDoes the news about Smirnoff pleading guilty of lying about Burisma money change the feelings towards this pardon of anyone? I have mixed feelings myself. On one hand I understand that attacks on Hunter Biden are purely political and the fact that Trump won is putting biden's family at risk and thus forced Biden's hand. On the other hand if they lose the moral high ground by acting like Trump the long term damage to American democracy is going to be huge