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Show HN: Feels Like Paper
"Feels Like Paper!" is a series of prototypes about augmenting physical paper through AI. Various ML models, LLMs and a mixed reality headset are used to infuse physical paper and ink with properties of the digital world without compromising on their physical traits.
- jitl 2y agoI love the lens effect at the bottom of the viewport and design of the site overall, really cool. Do you have a post about that effect - or is the best way to learn about it in the developer tools?
- MoroL 2y agoThank you. You can investigate progressive blur.
- muti 2y agoToo bad it makes the whole thing laggy enough that I didn't get past the first few paragraphs on my phone, and there's no obvious way to disable it
- jitl 2y agoAlas :( my phone is fine scrolling at 120hz with the effect (iPhone 15 pro max)
- r87 2y agoI’m the opposite end of spectrum. I really disliked the frosted glass look on images as they loaded and left the page before finishing reading due to how off-putting I found it to be.
- swores 2y agoIt didn't make me leave the page, but I agree that I too found the effects annoying and off putting.
- chronogram 2y agoI also left the page early. I enjoy reading, and wasn't able to do that as effectively on this website.
- oneeyedpigeon 2y agoAs another top-level comment pointed out, this is a bit of a dark-pattern to indicate paywalled content. In this case, I think it would be better without it.
- echoangle 2y agoThis site is lagging a bit, maybe turn down the blur effects on every single element
- hmottestad 2y agoIt’s actually fine on my phone. I’ve got the latest and greatest though.
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- WD-42 2y agoMaybe getting hugged to death? Every image is blurry (I'm assuming this is pre-load optimization thing).
- vunderba 2y agoFrom the article: Keichii Matsuda wrote a manifesto called "GODS". In it he describes an anaphor for augmented reality rooted in pagan animism. Unlike monotheistic Western approaches of interfacing artificial intelligence like ChatGPT or Siri, he advocates to leverage the possibility of augmented reality technologies to extend places and objects to populate the world with many different agents or "gods". Author should read Daemon by Daniel Suarez written in 2006 that explores the idea of persistent and potentially powerful AR entities that interact with humans. It also loosely plays with the idea of AR somatic gestures acting as a mystical conduit for "primitive incantations" that have a physical affect on the real world.
- MoroL 2y agoHey, thanks for the literature recommendations and pointer. Will definitely have a look at them.
- heisenzombie 2y agoA subject also tackled in the (oft HN recommended) https://qntm.org/ra https://qntm.org/ra
- thrtythreeforty 2y agoOthers have suggested Ra for those that find this concept compelling. Let me also recommend basically all of Karl Schroeder's work, which touches on machine intelligence in lots of ways. The steampunk Virga series has AIs which act on behalf of nature, Lady of Mazes has "votes" which are physical embodiments of political movements, and Ventus has sentient terraforming robots who no longer think as humans do.
- TeMPOraL 2y agoLords of Kobol, hear my prayer. I guess we're bound to switch between polytheism and monotheism as technology advances. Some could say, all of this has happened before.
- e12e 2y agoReminds me of the escaped AIs of Willam Gibson's sprawl triology, as in "Count Zero" (1987) - all though they only manifest in cyberspace - VR not AR: > (...) The man smiled at Bobby. "Count Zero," he said, "they tell us that’s your handle." > "That’s right," Bobby managed, though it came out as a kind of croak. > "We need to know about the Virgin, Count." The man waited. > Bobby blinked at him. > "Vyéj Mirak" — and the glasses went back on — ‘Our Lady, Virgin of Miracles. We know her’ — and he made a sign with his left hand— ‘as Ezili Freda." > Bobby became aware of the fact that his mouth was open, so he closed it. The three dark faces waited. Jackie and Rhea were gone, but he hadn’t seen them leave. A kind of panic took him then, and he glanced frantically around at the strange forest of stunted trees that surrounded them. The gro-light tubes slanted at every angle, in any direction, pink-purple jackstraws suspended in a green space of leaves. No walls You couldn’t see a wall at all. The couch and the battered table sat in a sort of clearing, with a floor of raw concrete. > "We know she came to you," the big man said, crossing his legs carefully. He adjusted a perfect trouser-crease, and a gold cufflink winked at Bobby. "We know, you understand?" > "Two-a-Day tells me it was your first run," the other man said. "That the truth?" > Bobby nodded. > "Then you are chosen of Legba," the man said, again removing the empty frames," to have met Vyéj Mirak." He smiled. > Bobby’s mouth was open again. > "Legba," the man said, "master of roads and pathways, the loa of communication . . ." > Two-a-Day ground his cigarette out on the scarred wood, and Bobby saw that his hand was shaking
- repeekad 2y agoThe blur effect on the bottom of the page makes me feel like I'm constantly about to be price walled, haha
- piyh 2y agoSame with the slow unblur of gigs.
- Parfait__ 2y agoThe blur effect is not good at all man. Just do a regular loading spinner or skeleton.
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- bberenberg 2y agoI really enjoy the "Mark & Comment" prototype. I want to read more on paper, but really don't like digitizing my notes. This flow seems much better for me. As AR devices improve, I expect this kind of low tech / high tech fusion will improve our experiences in novel ways.
- phildenhoff 2y agoYeah I’m very interested in this. I’d love to be able to easily create digital representations of handwritten notes, even if that requires me to markup specifically-formatted documents. I love reading paper (and eink) but I hate losing notes, and I don’t have a good process for importing those notes to my Logseq database.
- alex_smart 2y agoWhatever service you are using to host your website is not doing a very good job. Tiny <1kb assets are taking upto minutes to load.
- MoroL 2y agoSorry for that. I use Vercel.
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- bix6 2y agoI was a little confused at first but I really enjoyed this. Awesome work!
- MoroL 2y agoThank you.
- luismedel 2y agoIMHO, an interesting content a bit devalued by the presentation. Sometimes less is more (I know, nothing new)
- xnx 2y agoNeat. https://dynamicland.org/ https://dynamicland.org/ was the first thing I though of. Glad you referenced them on the page.
- hotfrost 2y agoOh man that website gives me a double nostalgia vibe. First, it reminds me a lot of the old iOS skeuomorphism iBooks app. Second, it reminds me of my first website I ever created using Adobe Dreamweaver's 'slicing' functionality, where you take an image and draw boxes on the image to make that box clickable as a link to a new page
- xnx 2y ago> where you take an image and draw boxes on the image to make that box clickable as a link to a new page Sounds like image maps: https://www.w3schools.com/html/html_images_imagemap.asp https://www.w3schools.com/html/html_images_imagemap.asp
- brcmthrowaway 2y agoTell me when there isn't a 1kg headset involved in any of this.
- gtothesquare 2y agoIt is much better enjoyed in a desktop. Love the butterfly!!! Kudos for experimenting not just with AI but with webdesign. The hover preview is really neat too. keep it up!
- heisenzombie 2y agoI love this, I'm a big fan of this approach to technology. The weakness in this approach, for me, is that these examples seem to be mediated through AR glasses, which kind of undoes the analog-ness of the whole thing a bit. For an (old!) example that doesn't use glasses, I'm reminded of https://www.topobox.co/ https://www.topobox.co/
- pimlottc 2y agoThin gray text on an off-white background is not very easy to read, especially on mobile
- LocalPCGuy 2y agoAnd not very accessible as well (fails color contrast standards, just over 3:1, 4.5:1 is minimum). I thought light grey text on a light background finally went out of style a few years back.
- RheingoldRiver 2y agoThat is a dead butterfly [0] being reanimated, not a live butterfly flying [0]: https://www.emilydamstra.com/please-enough-dead-butterflies/ https://www.emilydamstra.com/please-enough-dead-butterflies/
- herodotus 2y agoThanks for providing that link. What an amazing artist!
- MoroL 2y agoAgree 100%. Needs iteration. Thanks for the link.
- flopsamjetsam 2y agoUntil I clicked on the link, I thought you were just using a metaphor :)
- beepbooptheory 2y agoUgh one of those things I kinda hate to know now.
- tail_exchange 2y agoIt ruined pretty much all butterfly drawings for me. It's the kind of thing that is better not knowing lol
- stevage 2y agoI think it's overblown. It made me pay more attention to butterflies in the real world and what I see is when landed they often flap their wings intermittently. So I just think of the drawings with wings open as catching one of those moments.
- jerkstate 2y agoI agree with your sentiment, the human body is sometimes considered most beautiful with the limbs extended in dance, that does not mean it is always posed that way. I lay in the "corpse pose" every day, it does not mean I am dead.
- sram1337 2y agoThat butterfly is very distracting. So much so that I didn't read the article. I don't see a way to make it go away
- gsinclair 2y agoWhen I scrolled down on mobile, the butterfly was no longer visible.
- MoroL 2y agoHi everyone, my traffic today is high so my website might become slower soon, because it surpasses my budget for "Fast Data Transfer" from Vercel. I am sorry for any inconvenience.
- risenshinetech 2y agoSeemed like it would be interesting to read, but I slammed the back button once the butterfly (wtf), blur effect, and thin grey font on a white background overwhelmed me.
- FractalHQ 2y agoI liked the fun animation, but I agree that the text should be darker for readability / accessibility.
- pmontra 2y agoAgreed. The correct text color is the one of the titles. The paragraphs are too gray, they have not enough contrast. Place a sheet of paper from a book or a magazine side to side with that page and the text on the paper will be much easier to read 99.99% of the times. Is there any irony in that? Given the subject of the post, maybe not. It's a demonstration that hundreds of years of paper typography yield a better ergonomy than 30 years of the web.
- ryukoposting 2y agoDesign choices like these tend to negatively influence my opinion of whatever I'm about to read. That's a shame, too, because the demonstration that followed is a very rare use case for AR and AI that didn't make me roll my eyes.
- asgerhb 2y agoI slammed the reader-mode button, which unfortunately killed the videos. Not having looping/procedural animations in your articles is an accessibility feature. People with ADHD simply can't read blocks of text if there's visual noise flitting about everywhere.
- ksec 2y agoThis Deployment is paused by the owner. Your connection is working correctly. Vercel is working correctly.
- bmicraft 2y agoThat's interesting, I'm getting SSL_ERROR_NO_CYPHER_OVERLAP in Firefox. And ssllabs.com can't even test the site apparently. I wonder it those those are connected somehow.
- xelxebar 2y ago> The intricate user experience of physical paper is unmatched... So much this. Our hands have such a disproportionate concentration of nerves compared to the rest of our body, it's a shame current tech is soley focused on visual and audio interaction (with some very minor haptics). A piece of paper or book has texture, heft, temperature, and stiffness which our hands pick up on and interpret so effortlessly we don't even consciously notice most of the time. I want those information channels in my user experience. Leafing through paper and books has so many nice features: the weight distribution tells you about how far along you are; fingers can flip pages or between chapters with high fidelity and high feedback for tracking the context switch; earmarking or sticky notes encode metadata that's immediately available when needed and hidden otherwise, without having to navigate layers of organization; the mechanics of splaying out multiple pages on a table is effortless compared to manipulating desktop windows; we even subconsciously pick up on non-uniformities in physical layout, which helps with disambiguation---i.e. noise is information. Don't get me wrong, the interactivity of screens is wonderful, and e-ink dose bring one tiny nicety of paper to them, but I think we've barely even begun to tap into the possibilities of computer user interfaces. FWIW, very terse languages like APL have the very nice property that programming with pen and paper actually feels natural, and you actually see it happen organically during discussions amongst array programmers. I think our current programming paradigms may be more constrained by HCI limitations than we realize.
- MoroL 2y agoSorry everyone. My hosting was not prepared for the amount of traffic while I migrate you can find the explorations on Twitter as well. https://x.com/lukas_moro/status/1829487148078412019 https://x.com/lukas_moro/status/1829487148078412019 https://x.com/lukas_moro/status/1838207092471050645 https://x.com/lukas_moro/status/1838207092471050645 https://x.com/lukas_moro/status/1847299759603699906 https://x.com/lukas_moro/status/1847299759603699906
- leerob 2y ago(I work at Vercel) It seems like you possibly have a spend cap on, which would automatically pause your site when a certain amount of spend is hit. Vercel is working correctly in this case. If you are hosting a lot of video files, I would recommend using Vercel Blob (object storage). This is a better fit for larger volume assets like images or videos, versus "fast data transfer" as you mentioned in another comment for critical assets like stylesheets or scripts. Happy to help out if you have questions, email is lee at vercel dot com.
- voytec 2y agoIs ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH the effect of this cap? If so - that's a really weird approach at blocking a website. > openssl version OpenSSL 3.4.0 22 Oct 2024 (Library: OpenSSL 3.4.0 22 Oct 2024) > openssl s_client -connect www.lukasmoro.com:443 Connecting to 2a06:98c1:3120::b CONNECTED(00000005) 00E167F201000000:error:0A000410:SSL routines:ssl3_read_bytes:ssl/tls alert handshake failure:ssl/record/rec_layer_s3.c:908:SSL alert number 40
- leerob 2y agoNo, I am referencing the “deployment paused” page.
- xyzzy_plugh 2y agoThis is fine content for private communications with your customer but rubs me the wrong way posted here. It doesn't read to me that your customer is being negative about Vercel in any way, so to me it feels arrogant to come here and say "well actually you can't afford us." If you feel differently, and think it's acceptable to do so, why not instead say that on the error page? "Customer has exceeded their budget. Please add additional funds." If you don't think such messaging is appropriate, then I'm curious why you think doing it here would be? If you want to be truly helpful to your customer, you would consider raising or temporarily uncapping their traffic as a gesture of good will.
- kayvulpe 2y agoAnyone else getting ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH?
- system2 2y agoI did: This site can’t provide a secure connection www.lukasmoro.com uses an unsupported protocol. ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH It is a cloudflare site but the SSL is Google Trust Services (https://pki.goog/ https://pki.goog/). It is likely cloudflare SSL mode (full/strict/flexible) might be screwing up the site SSL. It usually happens to me when I launch a brand new site with freshly migrated DNS. I won't waste more time, also www version of the site points at somewhere else. Well...
- MoroL 2y agoThe project is currently available here. https://folio-2-0.pages.dev/paper https://folio-2-0.pages.dev/paper
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- MoroL 2y agoBack online again sorry for the down-time.
- hellweaver666 2y agoI'm sure this is very interesting but given that you decided to use light grey text on a white background the whole page was unreadable.
- nomilk 2y ago404 for me.
- hombre_fatal 2y agoI think the loading blur effect is cool and, if it weren't for the drama queens on HN, inoffensive.
- alt227 2y agoI really dont like the blur effect on the photos. Every time I scroll down the page I think my internet is broken!
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- keernan 2y agoThe beginnings of what I've been waiting for? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39306077 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39306077