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Every Hands-Free Driving System Available in 2024

8 points by luu 2y ago

freefaler 2y ago
Also openpilot is not mentioned: https://github.com/commaai/openpilot https://github.com/commaai/openpilot
- ncr100 2y ago
  Weird how Car and Driver omitted the open source system.
C0d3G4rd 2y ago
The anti Tesla rhetoric of car & driver has turned me off this publication. They are not being intellectually honest. Anyone who has driven these cars knows that “hands free”, “self driving”, or whatever you want to call it is not able to compete with Tesla. Regardless of what you think of Elon this is dishonest. What a shame.
- tw04 2y ago
  That’s simply not true. There are three spots on my way to work that both autopilot and fsd freak out and start braking for no reason. Ford blue cruise handles the spots without issue. Maybe Tesla is ahead in Silicon Valley, they aren’t anywhere else in my experience. On paper does FSD “do more”? Sure, but that’s because other manufacturers aren’t willing to risk killing their customers and hoping their usage policy will protect them.
- atonse 2y ago
  I thought their description of Tesla was also strange. So are they claiming that all the other (at least SAE 2) systems don’t ask you to wiggle the steering or pay attention every 30 seconds? Very strange mincing of words and doesn’t smell right to me.
- breadwinner 2y ago
  > Regardless of what you think of Elon this is dishonest It is Elon that is dishonest. He has been selling "Full Self Driving" for how many years now?
cadamsau 2y ago
Bit of a shame to see almost all manufacturers do subscriptions. Hope it’s a fad.
- rcdemski 2y ago
  I’m not sure where I land on this yet. If the feature is 100% local to the car I’d like a one time purchase. If the feature relies on other services, such as manufacturers mapping roads, then I can support some subscription for ongoing maintenance.
  - cadamsau 2y ago
    I get it, the alternative is something akin to a pyramid scheme - updates have to be funded by future sales. That works for me if I’m already a customer - but the company has to keep selling to keep funding their services. However taken to the extreme it risks the company implementing some kind of planned obsolescence to provide that funding. And it doesn’t incentivize efficiency (making the service simply cost less to provide over time) any better than a subscription model. Not sure which is less evil in the long term. Maybe by wanting no subscription I’m just being selfish.

8 points by luu 2y ago

freefaler 2y ago

Also openpilot is not mentioned: https://github.com/commaai/openpilot https://github.com/commaai/openpilot

ncr100 2y ago
Weird how Car and Driver omitted the open source system.

C0d3G4rd 2y ago

The anti Tesla rhetoric of car & driver has turned me off this publication. They are not being intellectually honest. Anyone who has driven these cars knows that “hands free”, “self driving”, or whatever you want to call it is not able to compete with Tesla. Regardless of what you think of Elon this is dishonest. What a shame.

tw04 2y ago
That’s simply not true. There are three spots on my way to work that both autopilot and fsd freak out and start braking for no reason. Ford blue cruise handles the spots without issue. Maybe Tesla is ahead in Silicon Valley, they aren’t anywhere else in my experience. On paper does FSD “do more”? Sure, but that’s because other manufacturers aren’t willing to risk killing their customers and hoping their usage policy will protect them.
atonse 2y ago
I thought their description of Tesla was also strange. So are they claiming that all the other (at least SAE 2) systems don’t ask you to wiggle the steering or pay attention every 30 seconds? Very strange mincing of words and doesn’t smell right to me.
breadwinner 2y ago
> Regardless of what you think of Elon this is dishonest It is Elon that is dishonest. He has been selling "Full Self Driving" for how many years now?

cadamsau 2y ago

Bit of a shame to see almost all manufacturers do subscriptions. Hope it’s a fad.

rcdemski 2y ago
I’m not sure where I land on this yet. If the feature is 100% local to the car I’d like a one time purchase. If the feature relies on other services, such as manufacturers mapping roads, then I can support some subscription for ongoing maintenance.
- cadamsau 2y ago
  I get it, the alternative is something akin to a pyramid scheme - updates have to be funded by future sales. That works for me if I’m already a customer - but the company has to keep selling to keep funding their services. However taken to the extreme it risks the company implementing some kind of planned obsolescence to provide that funding. And it doesn’t incentivize efficiency (making the service simply cost less to provide over time) any better than a subscription model. Not sure which is less evil in the long term. Maybe by wanting no subscription I’m just being selfish.