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Where Glaciers Melt, the Rivers Run Red
- isoprophlex 2y agohttps://archive.is/QO7jd https://archive.is/QO7jd An aside: Why bother submitting paywalled articles? Why bother upvoting paywalled articles? > 95% of readers probably don't have access. Not being facetious, I genuinely want to know. Do people upvote without reading? Will almost everyone take the effort to throw the link into a paywall buster? Do many HN readers subscribe to paywalled sources?
- matsemann 2y agoFWIW it wasn't pay walled here. I just had to press "Show full article" and could read on. Perhaps it's based on geo location (I'm not their market) or how much one's read them lately?
- asimpletune 2y agoI was prompted to create a free account to keep reading.
- isoprophlex 2y agoOh right, that actually makes a lot of sense, thanks..!
- joak 2y agoIf you google "Where Glaciers Melt, the Rivers Run Red" the first hit is the nyt article, if you click on this link you'll find the article non-paywalled! Edit: if it doesn't work try again in a private/incognito tab to make sure it's all fresh cookies So depending on the http-origin header the article is paywalled or not. This is a trick I always use, it works for many newspapers.
- nosianu 2y agoNope, I still get the paywall. I noticed this for some time, the trick to go "Incognito" does not work any more for some sites. It's not a big deal, I can use the archive link or just not read it, all those articles are merely of the "mildly interesting" category anyway. Not to mention that they are 90+% fluff and the core message could usually be summarized with a few sentences. I am curious though, given that this is HN, does anyone know how they are doing that paywall tracking these days? It is not just NYT where the fresh incognito window no longer works to get around the restriction. Washington Post too, for example, at least for me.
- thom 2y ago99% of the time the top comment is an archive link.
- bell-cot 2y agoFor me (NYT non-subscriber, US, blocking most js), only the first 4 paragraphs are visible. That's fairly common for web sites to do (# of visible paragraphs varies, obviously). And usually shows enough to convince me that the article is worth no more of my time.
- oniony 2y agoI share your annoyance. I've convinced that the sites themselves are doing this to attract subscribers. Every time anyone complains you get the backlash of "if you want good journalism you have to pay for it", yet few can afford to subscribe to more than one or two publications and yet we have to suffer paywalled links from all of them. For me, the one UK publication I pay for is enough (and that one is, ironically, not even paywalled).
- echelon 2y agoIt's a distribution and friction problem. We solved it for music. We need the same for journalism. Microtransactions never took off, so that leaves one option: journalism companies need to stop having their own websites and instead publish to an aggregator (or aggregators) that handle payment and monetization. Spotify or Netflix for news. But perhaps that would turn them into an even lower margin business with no ownership of their own audience relationship. Doesn't seem like a fun business to be in. Nevertheless, it's still a distribution and friction problem.
- pluc 2y agoThe model does not work. Nobody wants to subscribe to read one article in a blue moon, so we "pirate" it using archival sites. Piracy gave us DRM and streaming, archival will give us something new eventually, when they realize it doesn't work.
- crooked-v 2y agoApple News+ is kind of that, but has the basic issue that paid articles are still stuffed with ads, which makes it pretty pointless.
- jjmarr 2y agoThat already happened, except Reddit, Facebook, and Hacker News don't pay for the content they aggregate. People dodge paywalls in the comments, and many don't even bother to read the story. What would a paid solution offer over that? My cool idea would be an aggregator that charges people a subscription fee to participate and read stories. $100/month and extremely heavy (paid) moderation that forces people to engage with the articles. The price point helps get rid of anyone who is unwilling to participate constructively. Revenue-sharing for commenters as well. Make it the place where real discussions happen. People are social creatures and want to join exclusive clubs.
- dredmorbius 2y agoRe aside: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10178989>
- latexr 2y ago> Why bother submitting paywalled articles? They are explicitly permitted, as long as there are workarounds. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#:~:text=Are%20paywalls%20ok%3F https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#:~:text=Are%20payw... Though I wish submitters would provide the workaround (or gift link) too when submitting (I try to do so). It’s often someone else who does it. Though in fairness I guess someone may forget something is paywalled when they’re paying for it and have access.
- marcosdumay 2y agoIf people just marked the title with a (paywall) it would already be an improvement.
- latexr 2y agoSounds like that should be done automatically, like HN auto adds [pdf] or [video] for certain URLs. You can suggest [paywall] by emailing hn@ycombinator.com.
- anjanb 2y agoI subscribe to 4-5 paywalled sources. Rest, I rely on others to give me the archive links.
- ctippett 2y agoSave yourself the angst and give this userscript[1] a go. It adds some nice quality of life improvements for posts that link to paywalled articles. [1] https://github.com/MostlyEmre/hn-anti-paywall https://github.com/MostlyEmre/hn-anti-paywall
- matsemann 2y agoJust before visiting HN I read a news article about our glaciers in Norway also melting. One glacier has moved back 83 meters in a year, and the last ten years it's moved back 483 meters. A glacier that normally melts a meter in thickness each year and gains it back during winter, has melted 4 meters. We've lost 20 glaciers here the last decade. It's scary. https://www.nrk.no/klima/breforsker-sjokkert-over-hvor-mye-isbreer-har-smeltet-i-ar-1.17142107 https://www.nrk.no/klima/breforsker-sjokkert-over-hvor-mye-i...
- baq 2y agoThe election cycle, at least in a small part a function of a human’s expected life span btw, is way too short for governments to be incentivized to do anything about it. It’s going to be a wild ride for our grandchildren.
- adrianN 2y agoIt’s going to be a wild ride for anyone under fifty.
- shiroiushi 2y agoThis makes me wonder if society would be improved by radical life-extension therapies or technologies. Detractors generally say it would result in stagnation, but at least people would have a very good incentive to think long-term if they knew they had a good chance of still being alive in 200 or 1000 years and having to deal with the long-term effects of current policy.
- InDubioProRubio 2y agoI think it would also allow "careers" to detach from mistakes like papers published on the wrong side of a paradigm as "junior" mistakes.
- pjc50 2y agoThat incentivizes not so much long-term thinking as the politics of the permanent stagnation bunker. You'd get a caste of mortal disposable workers who live in the flood plains, working for a tiny group of immortals who have locked down the top positions and made themselves effective rulers for life. Think Japanese stagflation but for centuries. Reiwa era 200.
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- aodj 2y agoAvailable without paywall https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/where-glaciers-melt-rivers-run-red https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/where-glaciers-melt-river...
- ashoeafoot 2y agoSo upriver ph guard station with lime? and methan flaming of drones?
- advael 2y agoSure seems like we ought to be more aggressive about this whole anthropogenic climate collapse problem Like maybe problems like vast swaths of the world becoming both less livable and less arable all at once is somewhat to blame for all the refugee crises? Not to be "political" or whatever
- KeplerBoy 2y agoJust wait for the refugee crises yet to come. We have seen nothing so far.
- cute_boi 2y agoThis is a human problem, nobody bothers until they face the issue.
- entropi 2y agoMy expectation would be that unfortunately after a certain point it would stop being a refugee crisis and start being a border enforcement crisis. I personally expect things to get quite ugly once the temp difference hits a more significant value.
- KeplerBoy 2y agoYes, it sure seems it could go that way.