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Whenever I see these news & FBI releases about Chinese state-sponsored hackers breaching systems in America, I wonder whether the same thing happens over there:
by churchill 2y ago
Whenever I see these news & FBI releases about Chinese state-sponsored hackers breaching systems in America, I wonder whether the same thing happens over there: American malware and hacker groups attacking & laying landmines in China's internet infrastructure, although the Chinese may not publicize these exploits because their system opts to maintain an air of invincibility.
- talldayo 2y agoChina has the Great Firewall segregating most international access from the country's network. Additionally, China (moreso than most) has a motivation to onshore as much of their software and hardware manufacturing to bolster their own industry. It's possible that isolated attacks could pop off now and again, but hacking to-and-from China is strictly state controlled.
- nitwit005 2y agoTheir censorship infrastructure isn't security. If anything, it's another thing to hack.
- WatchDog 2y agoIt does have some defensive benefit. Getting legitimate connectivity to work reliably across the Chinese border, is a big pain. Due to this, Chinese commercial internet infrastructure has very few dependencies on international services. Western infrastructure by comparison is very vulnerable to distribution of connectivity, attacks on deep sea cables can cause a lot of damage.
- petergs 2y agoIt certainly does happen. See for example under “Targets”: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailored_Access_Operations https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailored_Access_Operations
- tharkun__ 2y agoNow if that naming isn't intentional then I don't know what would be ... The Tao or Dao is the natural way of the universe, primarily as conceived in East Asian philosophy and religion. This seeing of life cannot be grasped as a concept. Rather, it is seen through actual living experience of one's everyday being. The concept is represented by the Chinese character 道, which has meanings including 'way', 'path', 'road', and sometimes 'doctrine' or 'principle'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao
- eru 2y agoYou say it like it's hard to get around the Great Firewall in either direction.
- beepbooptheory 2y agoI think its kind of hard to imagine its not totally complementary in this respect. Even just being rational, if we have no qualms spying on our European allies, it seems a safe bet to assume we would be doing that and much more to China too. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57302806 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57302806
- dralley 2y agoConsidering how deeply infiltrated German intelligence services were/are by Russia, it's hard to feel bad about spying on them. At least the Dutch are competent.
- coretx 2y agoBelgacom, Diginotar, Stuxnet Anything involving Fox-IT. Just to mention three cases involving black mailed ministers and involving corrupt intelligence public servants. The Dutch are not competent, they are corrupt as hell. Access to anything Dutch is for sale and on bulk discount.
- WiSaGaN 2y agoAt least you have CIA openly recruit spies on Twitter: https://x.com/CIA/status/1841468925378171381 https://x.com/CIA/status/1841468925378171381 I think only CIA and mossad have the confidence to do it this way.
- echelon 2y agoThat's wild. What's the situation like on the ground? I've read that the CCP sentences spies to death and that they catch a lot of them.
- NewJazz 2y agoYeah based on that video, it'd be easy to edit the onion address and send them to a honey pot...
- golergka 2y agoI don't doubt CCP has sentenced a lot of people to death for spying for US, but I wonder how many of these were actual spies and how many where there just to fill a quota and earn a promotion. Communist regimes are not famous for having respect for their citizens well-being, fair and just justice system, or checks and balances which limit government overreach, especially for intelligence agencies.
- TechDebtDevin 2y agoYes, the US famously has breached foreign infrastructure. In Confessions of an Economic Hitman[0], Josh Perkins discusses how he knows on good authority the US could shutdown the Japanese electrical grid with relative ease if needed, which an ally. Imagine what they do to perceived enemies. [0]: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2159.Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2159.Confessions_of_an_E... This book was on of my favorite books to site in extemporaneous speaking events.
- Aeolun 2y agoThe US could do a great many things to Japan with relative ease, given their (relatively) enormous military presence in the country.
- JumpCrisscross 2y agoConfessions is best read as historical fiction. It's brilliantly written. But the author has never been able to substantiate much [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man#Reception https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit...
- TechDebtDevin 2y agoTrue, but I would also deny most of those accusations even if true If I was the State Department. If I was the US state department. I personally know a McKensey Principal who's government work isn't that far off of what Perkins describes. and they love bragging about it too.
- PittleyDunkin 2y agoThe accusations also seem unsubstantiated and ideological in nature. Eg > Mallaby said that Perkins' conception of international finance is "largely a dream" and that his "basic contentions are flat wrong" because "the poor don't always lose" when developing countries borrow money. It's not exactly an uncommon take to center conceptions neocolonialism around the World Bank and the IMF. This just seems like a Steven Pinker blunt rotation picking on the work.
- cyp0633 2y agoAccording to Chinese state media, the US installed malware in systems in Chinese universities tied with military, e.g. Northwestern Polytechnical University
- throwaway290 2y agoAccording to Chinese state media, Chinese state media is never wrong
- cyp0633 2y agoBelieve it or not, it's up to you; the same goes with FBI
- 0dayz 2y agoThe FBI is not the same as a news agency however. So that point is null.
- cyp0633 2y agoBoth depend on whether you believe in the government actually. When we say "Chinese state media", we're really talking about a media controlled by the government, especially for those political topics
- 0dayz 2y agoThis would be true even with private actors, at the end of the day it's whoever has concrete evidence of something taking place. If the FBI is going to make the broad statement that China is hacking the USA, it'll have to back that statement up by evidence presented in court against individuals the FBI has investigated for hacking into US companies/government orgs.
- cyp0633 2y agoSeems that you just don't believe the other side has done some investigation and therefore did not search for it. I'm not saying that either incident is fake but you've just proved my point of view.
- chvid 2y agoIn the last episode of the risky business podcast they chatted about the "GoblinRAT" based on this Russian analysis/post-mortem: https://rt-solar.ru/solar-4rays/blog/4861/ https://rt-solar.ru/solar-4rays/blog/4861/ Likely an attack done by US intelligence. There has been quite a few of these with a lot of details released by Russian techies - this is just the latest one I know of.
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