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I'd like to but how do you overcome the slight powerless feeling? Like when those guys surrounded a vehicle and made it to stop with people helplessly inside. Y

I'd like to but how do you overcome the slight powerless feeling? Like when those guys surrounded a vehicle and made it to stop with people helplessly inside. You're kind of stuck.

lesuorac 2y ago
Same as when you're in an uber?
- Frederation 2y ago
  You have control in that instance. Apples and oranges.
  - fragmede 2y ago
    What control over the human Uber/Lyft driver, whom you've never met before, do you have?
    - barbazoo 2y ago
      Self preservation.
      - Dylan16807 2y ago
        You control someone else's self preservation? That doesn't make sense to me unless you're suggesting the passenger also threaten the driver. Did you answer the question they actually asked?
    - Sohcahtoa82 2y ago
      Ostensibly, the Uber/Lyft driver is also feeling threatened and will gun the throttle in an attempt to escape the situation, even if an attacker is directly in front.
      - fragmede 2y ago
        Sure, but that wasn't the question.
- kaycebasques 2y ago
  Or an airplane.
  - rglullis 2y ago
    On an airplane, the pilot has skin in the game. If he screws up, he will pay with his own life. What happens to the developers/manufacturers of a driverless car that kills a passenger or a pedestrian?
    - kaycebasques 2y ago
      I thought we were talking about the feeling of powerlessness? Still seems like an apples-to-apples comparison in that regard. > how do you overcome the slight powerless feeling
      - rglullis 2y ago
        I don't have any "feeling of powerlessness" when I am on a plane, or a taxi, or a bus or train or a boat, because I believe that whoever is conducting those vehicles have interests aligned with mine: to get safely and uneventfully to the end of the journey. There is no such alignment on a driverless car, plane or boat. No engineer or executive will get punished in case the car gets double parked, let alone if it runs over a pedestrian crossing the street.
- jerlam 2y ago
  In the event of an emergency, the Uber driver is also a human who would take action (possibly extreme or illegal) to get out of a life-threatening situation. The self-driving car will not.
minwcnt5 2y ago
You can open the door and get out if it's stopped. You can press the "pull over" button to have it pull over as soon as it can safely do so. You can call rider support or 911 while the doors remain locked to the outside. I agree that it's a slightly more vulnerable feeling than driving myself, but I still feel far less vulnerable than taking public transit or walking. And when you factor in risk of a crash, it's also safer than Uber or driving myself. I don't think Waymos will often be targeted by criminals for anything besides vandalism, with 20+ cameras and potential remote monitors the risk:reward ratio is much worse than other options.
- rglullis 2y ago
  > I still feel far less vulnerable than taking public transit or walking. This sounds incredibly dystopian. What hellhole do you live? What are the dangers you have from taking public transit?
  - underseacables 2y ago
    Well, New York City, but that is more of an edge case. Most public transit in America is safe .... I think.
  - fragmede 2y ago
    The other people on public transport, not the least of which from them is second hand smoke from either fentanyl or meth, not sure which, nor do I care to learn. I still ride the bus/trolley/tram/subway, especially when the streets are busy, but late at night I'll opt for a Waymo, depending on the circumstance.
    - rglullis 2y ago
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      - spankalee 2y ago
        I guess this old gem doesn't just apply to Twitter: > Twitter is the only place where well articulated sentences get misinterpreted. > > You can say “I like pancakes” and somebody will say “So you hate waffles?” > > No bitch, that’s a whole new sentence wtf is you talkin bout
dpe82 2y ago
You get over it very quickly. The first ride or two is a bit weird and then you just settle into enjoying it.
mattnewton 2y ago
The real difference is that those guys felt emboldened to act that way with nobody at the wheel. They might not have trusted an uber driver to not drive into them, and there is a social element where some people apparently don’t think about how they are acting on video, they think nobody is around. I expect this to go away over time as people realize driverless =\= witnessless You can quickly call for human assistance on one of the big support buttons.
heelix 2y ago
I did my first ride when I was at a conference in SFO earlier this month. Part of it was it 'shows' you what it sees, which was a bit better on what I could track as a human with my head on a swivel. The car never went beyond residential speeds and it was very much felt like a fast car trying to be cautious. It was less terrifying then teaching my kid to drive. We very much felt like we were on a tourist ride - and the taxis that drove past us often had folks trying to get video/pictures of us passengers in a car without the driver. Watching a couple hundred of them try to get out of a parking lot was comical.
barbazoo 2y ago
> Like when those guys surrounded a vehicle and made it to stop with people helplessly inside. Is that a common thing? I wouldn't be surprised honestly. I heard of the traffic cone thing but not this.
singleshot_ 2y ago
You get out and use reasonable force to break free of their false imprisonment, the same way you would if you were in your own car and you were falsely imprisoned. I hope very strenuously that the implication is not that you would run over people who are blocking you if you were in control of the car.
- rangestransform 2y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Reginald_Denny https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Reginald_Denny I would rather take many lives than be subjected to this sort of injury
  - singleshot_ 2y ago
    Unfortunately the Bush Doctrine is not valid in traffic. I believe you will find significant challenges if you try to justify murder this way.
    - rangestransform 2y ago
      The government expecting me to resign myself and roll over in this situation is the real problem
      - singleshot_ 2y ago
        Society expects you to roll over. The government has the power to imprison you if you refuse.
- DiggyJohnson 2y ago
  I would strongly consider it, for sure. If I was stopped by obvious muggers in a dangerous place, alone, then definitely. I wouldn't aim for them, and I would certainly hope they jump out of the way. But quite literally you can expect to get hurt if you play in traffic.
DiggyJohnson 2y ago
Do you ever fly?

I'd like to but how do you overcome the slight powerless feeling? Like when those guys surrounded a vehicle and made it to stop with people helplessly inside. You're kind of stuck.

lesuorac 2y ago

Same as when you're in an uber?

Frederation 2y ago
You have control in that instance. Apples and oranges.
- fragmede 2y ago
  What control over the human Uber/Lyft driver, whom you've never met before, do you have?
  - barbazoo 2y ago
    Self preservation.
    - Dylan16807 2y ago
      You control someone else's self preservation? That doesn't make sense to me unless you're suggesting the passenger also threaten the driver. Did you answer the question they actually asked?
  - Sohcahtoa82 2y ago
    Ostensibly, the Uber/Lyft driver is also feeling threatened and will gun the throttle in an attempt to escape the situation, even if an attacker is directly in front.
    - fragmede 2y ago
      Sure, but that wasn't the question.
kaycebasques 2y ago
Or an airplane.
- rglullis 2y ago
  On an airplane, the pilot has skin in the game. If he screws up, he will pay with his own life. What happens to the developers/manufacturers of a driverless car that kills a passenger or a pedestrian?
  - kaycebasques 2y ago
    I thought we were talking about the feeling of powerlessness? Still seems like an apples-to-apples comparison in that regard. > how do you overcome the slight powerless feeling
    - rglullis 2y ago
      I don't have any "feeling of powerlessness" when I am on a plane, or a taxi, or a bus or train or a boat, because I believe that whoever is conducting those vehicles have interests aligned with mine: to get safely and uneventfully to the end of the journey. There is no such alignment on a driverless car, plane or boat. No engineer or executive will get punished in case the car gets double parked, let alone if it runs over a pedestrian crossing the street.
jerlam 2y ago
In the event of an emergency, the Uber driver is also a human who would take action (possibly extreme or illegal) to get out of a life-threatening situation. The self-driving car will not.

minwcnt5 2y ago

You can open the door and get out if it's stopped. You can press the "pull over" button to have it pull over as soon as it can safely do so. You can call rider support or 911 while the doors remain locked to the outside. I agree that it's a slightly more vulnerable feeling than driving myself, but I still feel far less vulnerable than taking public transit or walking. And when you factor in risk of a crash, it's also safer than Uber or driving myself. I don't think Waymos will often be targeted by criminals for anything besides vandalism, with 20+ cameras and potential remote monitors the risk:reward ratio is much worse than other options.

rglullis 2y ago
> I still feel far less vulnerable than taking public transit or walking. This sounds incredibly dystopian. What hellhole do you live? What are the dangers you have from taking public transit?
- underseacables 2y ago
  Well, New York City, but that is more of an edge case. Most public transit in America is safe .... I think.
- fragmede 2y ago
  The other people on public transport, not the least of which from them is second hand smoke from either fentanyl or meth, not sure which, nor do I care to learn. I still ride the bus/trolley/tram/subway, especially when the streets are busy, but late at night I'll opt for a Waymo, depending on the circumstance.
  - rglullis 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - spankalee 2y ago
      I guess this old gem doesn't just apply to Twitter: > Twitter is the only place where well articulated sentences get misinterpreted. > > You can say “I like pancakes” and somebody will say “So you hate waffles?” > > No bitch, that’s a whole new sentence wtf is you talkin bout

dpe82 2y ago

You get over it very quickly. The first ride or two is a bit weird and then you just settle into enjoying it.

mattnewton 2y ago

The real difference is that those guys felt emboldened to act that way with nobody at the wheel. They might not have trusted an uber driver to not drive into them, and there is a social element where some people apparently don’t think about how they are acting on video, they think nobody is around. I expect this to go away over time as people realize driverless =\= witnessless You can quickly call for human assistance on one of the big support buttons.

heelix 2y ago

I did my first ride when I was at a conference in SFO earlier this month. Part of it was it 'shows' you what it sees, which was a bit better on what I could track as a human with my head on a swivel. The car never went beyond residential speeds and it was very much felt like a fast car trying to be cautious. It was less terrifying then teaching my kid to drive. We very much felt like we were on a tourist ride - and the taxis that drove past us often had folks trying to get video/pictures of us passengers in a car without the driver. Watching a couple hundred of them try to get out of a parking lot was comical.

barbazoo 2y ago

> Like when those guys surrounded a vehicle and made it to stop with people helplessly inside. Is that a common thing? I wouldn't be surprised honestly. I heard of the traffic cone thing but not this.

singleshot_ 2y ago

You get out and use reasonable force to break free of their false imprisonment, the same way you would if you were in your own car and you were falsely imprisoned. I hope very strenuously that the implication is not that you would run over people who are blocking you if you were in control of the car.

rangestransform 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Reginald_Denny https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Reginald_Denny I would rather take many lives than be subjected to this sort of injury
- singleshot_ 2y ago
  Unfortunately the Bush Doctrine is not valid in traffic. I believe you will find significant challenges if you try to justify murder this way.
  - rangestransform 2y ago
    The government expecting me to resign myself and roll over in this situation is the real problem
    - singleshot_ 2y ago
      Society expects you to roll over. The government has the power to imprison you if you refuse.
DiggyJohnson 2y ago
I would strongly consider it, for sure. If I was stopped by obvious muggers in a dangerous place, alone, then definitely. I wouldn't aim for them, and I would certainly hope they jump out of the way. But quite literally you can expect to get hurt if you play in traffic.

DiggyJohnson 2y ago

Do you ever fly?