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Where will you go that will be a 50k-100k bump over google comp?

shadowgovt 2y ago
Lots of places, for two reasons 1) companies usually hire ex-Googlers up-level because they're perceived as being more valuable (Google titles tend to under-represent engineer capabilities; an L4 Googler is an SSE elsewhere). 2) Google was one of the FAANGs that fixed wages via unofficial non-competes. Their compensation ladders still reflect that.
- sickblastoise 2y ago
  Dealing with some ex googlers at my current (non tech company) now, Jesus Christ they are culture killers at regular companies.
  - mtnGoat 2y ago
    I know at my last job I closed any resumes that had Google on them. They generally didn’t do well at startups in my opinion, the scope and responsibilities are too broad and there is no where to hide. And the ones I did hire tended to want to make everything look the way it did at Google.
    - cdrini 2y ago
      That seems a little much; Google has had such a huge number of software employees, that it seems unwise to draw assumptions about everyone based on what I imagine has been a much smaller sample size than the total that you've personally worked with.
  - goalonetwo 2y ago
    exactly this. Working with a couple ex-google and ex-facebook. Without failing every meeting we hear at least once "At Google/Facebook we used to ..." for something that is completely not applicable here.
    - arghnoname 2y ago
      I work at one of the big companies and some people do that even here. People just talk about their experience or other systems that they know. It always feels conservative to me, as often it's said to suggest emulating what some other group or company did to solve an often superficially similar problem, but with entirely different constraints. I think some people with certain kinds of thought patterns just pattern match and try to apply past experience a bit too broadly.
shitlord 2y ago
Google doesn't exactly pay top of market.
- throwaway_5753 2y ago
  who does these days?
  - throwaway215234 2y ago
    Lots of high-paying companies, if you work on hard engineering problems. Probably not many for CRUD or frontend.
    - izacus 2y ago
      Let's hear some examples :)
      - throwaway215234 2y ago
        HFT (evergreen), kernel hacker, machine learning engineer, AI compiler engineer, GPU engineer are the top of the crop currently.
asdfman123 2y ago
Google would be a $50-100k bump over Google if they promoted me to the level commensurate with my experience
throwaway215234 2y ago
Google comp is known to be low. Top candidates with in-demand skills can easily ask for 2x TC of google and get a stream of offers pouring in.
- laweijfmvo 2y ago
  ask where?
  - throwaway215234 2y ago
    If you indicate that you're available, and you have a attractive public profile, top headhunters will contact you.
runeblaze 2y ago
Smaller companies need to outbid Google for talent, especially if they carry less stability. I imagine there are quite many who went like: leaves Google for great cash package at smaller company/start up -> smaller company goes belly up -> go back to FAANG

Lots of places, for two reasons 1) companies usually hire ex-Googlers up-level because they're perceived as being more valuable (Google titles tend to under-represent engineer capabilities; an L4 Googler is an SSE elsewhere). 2) Google was one of the FAANGs that fixed wages via unofficial non-competes. Their compensation ladders still reflect that.

sickblastoise 2y ago
Dealing with some ex googlers at my current (non tech company) now, Jesus Christ they are culture killers at regular companies.
- mtnGoat 2y ago
  I know at my last job I closed any resumes that had Google on them. They generally didn’t do well at startups in my opinion, the scope and responsibilities are too broad and there is no where to hide. And the ones I did hire tended to want to make everything look the way it did at Google.
  - cdrini 2y ago
    That seems a little much; Google has had such a huge number of software employees, that it seems unwise to draw assumptions about everyone based on what I imagine has been a much smaller sample size than the total that you've personally worked with.
- goalonetwo 2y ago
  exactly this. Working with a couple ex-google and ex-facebook. Without failing every meeting we hear at least once "At Google/Facebook we used to ..." for something that is completely not applicable here.
  - arghnoname 2y ago
    I work at one of the big companies and some people do that even here. People just talk about their experience or other systems that they know. It always feels conservative to me, as often it's said to suggest emulating what some other group or company did to solve an often superficially similar problem, but with entirely different constraints. I think some people with certain kinds of thought patterns just pattern match and try to apply past experience a bit too broadly.

shitlord 2y ago

Google doesn't exactly pay top of market.

throwaway_5753 2y ago
who does these days?
- throwaway215234 2y ago
  Lots of high-paying companies, if you work on hard engineering problems. Probably not many for CRUD or frontend.
  - izacus 2y ago
    Let's hear some examples :)
    - throwaway215234 2y ago
      HFT (evergreen), kernel hacker, machine learning engineer, AI compiler engineer, GPU engineer are the top of the crop currently.

asdfman123 2y ago

Google would be a $50-100k bump over Google if they promoted me to the level commensurate with my experience

throwaway215234 2y ago

Google comp is known to be low. Top candidates with in-demand skills can easily ask for 2x TC of google and get a stream of offers pouring in.

laweijfmvo 2y ago
ask where?
- throwaway215234 2y ago
  If you indicate that you're available, and you have a attractive public profile, top headhunters will contact you.

runeblaze 2y ago

Smaller companies need to outbid Google for talent, especially if they carry less stability. I imagine there are quite many who went like: leaves Google for great cash package at smaller company/start up -> smaller company goes belly up -> go back to FAANG