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TSMC will stop making 7 nm chips for Chinese customers
- ChumpGPT 2y ago[flagged]
- daft_pink 2y agoJust curious are we not going to be able to take our iPhone or Laptops into China when we visit? Wondering when we are going to hit the point where our basic every day devices face export controls.
- fwip 2y agoSeems very unlikely. Manufacturing millions of chips for a country is a totally different scale.
- high_na_euv 2y ago>Wondering when we are going to hit the point where our basic every day devices face export controls. Probably never
- CamperBob2 2y agoNothing is off the table now.
- nabla9 2y agoNo, unless turning consumer products into data center use becomes relevant at large scale. There was a time when companies and research labs bought Sony PS2 (and the PS3) to build supercomputer clusters. Japan placed export controls on the PS2 because they had militarily-useful computing power. According to DIA report 4,000 PS2 units had been purchased in the United States and shipped to Iraq in just 2-3 months during 2000.
- nindalf 2y agoWere the PS2s shipped to Iraq for computing or just for soldiers to play during their down time? I feel like the latter is far more likely, especially since we know that soldiers had access to game consoles for recreation. I can't imagine what general purpose software they'd have wanted to run on a PlayStation 2 from 2000 that they couldn't run on a general purpose laptop in 2004.
- BostonEnginerd 2y agoDo you mean US soldiers? We didn’t have a presence in Iraq in 2000, the invasion occurred in 2003.
- lomase 2y agoThe PS2 release price was $299 USD. Consoles used to be cheap.
- malfist 2y agoYou're being down voted, but it's the truth. PS2 were sold so much below cost it wasn't uncommon to see hobbiests and institutions building beowulf clusters with them. But these days, consoles aren't sold below cost, and gigabit network isn't fast enough to make cluster computing make sense
- lomase 2y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29651383 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29651383 A 64 bit MIPS processor that can run linux + networking for 299$. I know is not exactly the same but how much was a SGI workstation 20k? 40k? 80k?
- kevindqc 2y agoThat's $450 in 2020 dollars. The PS5 launched at $399 in 2020 (digital version)
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- PittleyDunkin 2y agoIf anyone does this it's all going to be for theater. What a ludicrous concept.
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- chasil 2y agoThe article says: "no longer manufacture AI chips at advanced process nodes of 7 nanometers or smaller." This was triggered when Huawei produced some kind of device with TSMC wafers of this class. Maybe standard ARM cores are still approved for export to the mainland.
- whatshisface 2y agoAccording to the economic theory behind tarrifs this strengthens them. Funny how we are trying to do the same thing to ourselves.
- ghufran_syed 2y agoso in the event of effective sanctions on a country, where the tariff is effectively infinite making the amount supplied go to zero… this should be even better for the country affected?
- bilbo0s 2y agoTariffs are always good for someone. Just not most people. Is it good for anyone who wants to manufacture chips in China. Obviously, yes it is good for them. But it is not good, in the short term, for people who want to buy chips in China. But it might be bad for everyone in China, because someone above implied that they actually don't have the knowledge to make these chips. Not sure how true that is? But assuming it is true, that would hurt everyone in China.
- stonesthrowaway 2y ago> so in the event of effective sanctions on a country That's the point. You can't effectively sanction china. > where the tariff is effectively infinite making the amount supplied go to zero There is a difference between a complete blockade and targeted sanctions. > this should be even better for the country affected? One causes a complete collapse of an economy (north korea) while the latter helps a nation build up a sector of an industry (china). China is the top trading partner of most countries around the world. Even with these sanctions. Go figure. It would be like if china banned exports of 'rare earth minerals' to the US. It would only make the US stronger because we'd just invest in mining rare earth minerals.
- dmix 2y agoTariffs always benefits someone, just not the majority of people in most cases.
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- js8 2y agoThat's a really dangerous move that can entice China to invade Taiwan. Let's hope it doesn't happen.
- jhdias 2y agoIf China sees Russia take part or all of Ukraine, why wouldn't they?
- js8 2y agoBecause war is economically expensive, they subscribe to certain philosophy and would prefer continue trading with Taiwan rather than turning it to rubble. That being said, even if they would. Under that assumption, I find the idea to further provoke them to doing that morally repulsive. It's an egomaniacal move that disregards Taiwanese people.
- lawn 2y agoThe calculation is a bit different for a dictator though. They won't be affected personally (unless the country rebels against them) so they can be fine to tank the economy if it gets them closer to some other goal (such as megalomaniac world domination).
- RivieraKid 2y agoThey have implied that annexing Taiwan is a key priority and that they are willing to use force if it turns out to be necessary. "Provoke" means doing something with the intention to trigger an emotional or other reaction. That's not what Taiwan is doing.
- itishappy 2y agoProvoke often just means just inciting a reaction. Intent is not included in all defections. If China reacts to this, then China has been provoked.
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- trmarket123 2y agoTSMC certainly "stole" the European chip industry. They had an IP transfer agreement with Philips. Philips at that time also sold off its crown jewels like ASML and ASMI. This was the time when CEOs bragged about restructuring companies with inane statements like "the company should look like a board of asparagus, not like a board of spaghetti". Journalists thought it was brilliant at the time (enjoy your dinner!). China and Taiwan benefited from this reckless outsourcing. I'm actually in favor of stopping any European or U.S. high tech exports and further outsourcing. But it should be on an economic level, not on the silly warmongering level.
- chasil 2y agoRCA also gave their crown jewels of semiconductor technology to what became MediaTek as RCA distracted itself with non-core acquisitions (transforming itself into "rugs, chickens, and automobiles," leading to their decline). https://taiwaninsight.org/2024/05/10/a-short-history-of-semiconductor-technology-in-taiwan-during-the-1970s-and-the-1980s/ https://taiwaninsight.org/2024/05/10/a-short-history-of-semi... Edit: I'm typing this on a Kindle that uses a MediaTek CPU (I don't know if UMC fabbed it).
- jauntywundrkind 2y agoBuying Ralink was also a hella good move. Founded in Cupertino California in 2001, made pretty solid wifi chipsets, sold to MediaTek 2011. https://corp.mediatek.com/news-events/press-releases/mediatek-inc-and-ralink-technology-corporation-merger-at-share-swap-ratio-of-1-3-15 https://corp.mediatek.com/news-events/press-releases/mediate... The scope of mergers & acquisitions in semiconductors is mind boggling & terrifying. It feels like there's so much less diversity, that there's a frailty of entirely Too Big To Fail players left.
- ilaksh 2y agoWho will be Trump's top military advisor, what is their plan for Taiwan, and will Elon Musk contradict whatever that is?
- presentation 2y agoProbably whatever is in China’s favor since Elon Musk needs China to like him for the sake of Tesla
- chinathrow 2y agoHe should simply not be so close to the president.
- betimsl 2y agoBallsy move.