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In retrospect it's baffling why Dems didn't hammer home this point more: Tariffs will increase prices.

by bryan0 2y ago

a_victorp 2y ago
Probably because they don't have much leverage in this area, with Biden continuing some of Trumps policies on tariffs.
- tw04 2y ago
  Targeted tariffs as part of a trade war is significantly different than the proposed universal tariffs to "eliminate taxes" that he's proposed. AKA: we figured out how to pass a consumption tax which disproportionately hurts poor people without calling it that because we know it's universally unpopular. When billionaires effective tax rate drops to what will probably be 1%, the wheels are going to REALLY fall off.
  - hirako2000 2y ago
    It isn't the poor that fund either political parties.
    - paulryanrogers 2y ago
      Not their campaigns, no. But the labor of the poor make the world go around. And their votes count just as much as a billionaires.
      - andsoitis 2y ago
        > And their votes count just as much as a billionaires. Billionaires fund, and in some cases directly craft, the narratives that shape the voter’s perception of the political landscape.
        paulryanrogers 2y ago
        Solid point, I just wanted to emphasize the potential power of those at the bottom. Sadly they also aren't educated as thoroughly and so become prey to be exploited.
        hirako2000 2y ago
        For this they would need to unite. Those who fund to influence are doing so, so that it never happens.
hirako2000 2y ago
Isn't it Biden that increased tariffs on certain imports from a certain country to 100%?
- seanmcdirmid 2y ago
  Just EVs, and how many Chinese EVs were we importing before the tariff increase? All I can think of are some Polestar models and the entry level model 3.
  - hirako2000 2y ago
    How many will not be imported due to tariffs, squeezing customers to buy them at double the price it would be, or go for an overpriced locally made EV. Musk admitting out of the 10 largest EV manufacturers, 9 are not in the U.S.
    - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
      I bought a German EV, so that wasn't Chinese made. BYD can always open factories in Mississippi, just like Japan did, which will probably happen eventually unless our relationship with China becomes really really bad.
elendee 2y ago
Suggesting tariffs was his way of saying "stuffs so messed up I will make radical change" to the angry working class. It also harks back to the early 20th century which he loves. The Dems didn't really have an inroad to that demographic. Suggesting federally granted home buying credits just sounded like another financial scheme from on high and missed the mark entirely imho; there was no bigger economic discussion happening there.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  No, tariffs are his way of saying "magic wand make economy good" to people who don't (but can and should) know better.
- marmadukester39 2y ago
  All of this assumes that policy suggestions from democrats can reach republicans. Because of filter bubbles this is simply no longer the case.
- foobarian 2y ago
  It is wild to me that GOP has become the working people's party somehow.
eschaton 2y ago
Because the entirety of the Trumpist response is “nuh-uh.” Watch the videos of people giving explanations of tariffs to attendees of Trump rallies. “That can’t be right, he wouldn’t be doing it then” is essentially all the deeper anyone will go. Almost none of the people who support him don’t think beyond their delusion that he has their interests in mind.
- YZF 2y ago
  You're saying 50% of the US are stupid and those same 50% or so are the Trump voters. Somehow that does not compute. During which presidency did prices go up more? During Trump's last "Tariff" presidency or during the supposed anti-Tariff Biden? "Watch videos of" is why we're banning TikTok. Just kidding. Or maybe not. I can find stupid people in any camp (well, in some more than others) and make a video about how clueless they are. It's super patronizing to just say your opponents are stupid and IMO one of the reasons why the democrats lost these elections (no shortage of other reasons). The delusions don't stop at any demographic or party unfortunately. We just live in a post truth, post civil discussion, polarized, society.
  - eschaton 2y ago
    I’m saying about 50% of the people who voted in the last three elections—not 50% of the population—are stupid, yes. And I think that’s borne out by the absolutely terrible and destructive policies articulated by the people they voted for. What’s so hard to understand about that?
  - paulryanrogers 2y ago
    The 50% voting for Trump aren't all stupid. Though many are indoctrinated, taught to embrace confirmation bias, the bandwagon effect, and to fear the other. IME they're a diverse group who all bought some just-so stories explaining why life was so much better 4yo. Rose tinted glasses and a repeated call to look to the past to some idealized time that never existed. All that reinforced by a lot of loud distractions to avoid the awkward fact that the pandemic was a disaster, the tax cuts ballooned the deficit more than Biden, benefited mostly the rich, insiders lining their pockets, racking up pardons, and foreign policy that was openly corrupt.
inthewoods 2y ago
I dunno - I heard about tariffs in every single Harris speech. I don't get ads because of my location, but they were clearly saying it.
- partiallypro 2y ago
  I think the issue is that people don't know what tariffs even are, call it a tax increase and it hits home more.

In retrospect it's baffling why Dems didn't hammer home this point more: Tariffs will increase prices.

by bryan0 2y ago

In retrospect it's baffling why Dems didn't hammer home this point more: Tariffs will increase prices.

a_victorp 2y ago

Probably because they don't have much leverage in this area, with Biden continuing some of Trumps policies on tariffs.

tw04 2y ago
Targeted tariffs as part of a trade war is significantly different than the proposed universal tariffs to "eliminate taxes" that he's proposed. AKA: we figured out how to pass a consumption tax which disproportionately hurts poor people without calling it that because we know it's universally unpopular. When billionaires effective tax rate drops to what will probably be 1%, the wheels are going to REALLY fall off.
- hirako2000 2y ago
  It isn't the poor that fund either political parties.
  - paulryanrogers 2y ago
    Not their campaigns, no. But the labor of the poor make the world go around. And their votes count just as much as a billionaires.
    - andsoitis 2y ago
      > And their votes count just as much as a billionaires. Billionaires fund, and in some cases directly craft, the narratives that shape the voter’s perception of the political landscape.
      - paulryanrogers 2y ago
        Solid point, I just wanted to emphasize the potential power of those at the bottom. Sadly they also aren't educated as thoroughly and so become prey to be exploited.
        hirako2000 2y ago
        For this they would need to unite. Those who fund to influence are doing so, so that it never happens.

hirako2000 2y ago

Isn't it Biden that increased tariffs on certain imports from a certain country to 100%?

seanmcdirmid 2y ago
Just EVs, and how many Chinese EVs were we importing before the tariff increase? All I can think of are some Polestar models and the entry level model 3.
- hirako2000 2y ago
  How many will not be imported due to tariffs, squeezing customers to buy them at double the price it would be, or go for an overpriced locally made EV. Musk admitting out of the 10 largest EV manufacturers, 9 are not in the U.S.
  - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
    I bought a German EV, so that wasn't Chinese made. BYD can always open factories in Mississippi, just like Japan did, which will probably happen eventually unless our relationship with China becomes really really bad.

elendee 2y ago

Suggesting tariffs was his way of saying "stuffs so messed up I will make radical change" to the angry working class. It also harks back to the early 20th century which he loves. The Dems didn't really have an inroad to that demographic. Suggesting federally granted home buying credits just sounded like another financial scheme from on high and missed the mark entirely imho; there was no bigger economic discussion happening there.

llamaimperative 2y ago
No, tariffs are his way of saying "magic wand make economy good" to people who don't (but can and should) know better.
marmadukester39 2y ago
All of this assumes that policy suggestions from democrats can reach republicans. Because of filter bubbles this is simply no longer the case.
foobarian 2y ago
It is wild to me that GOP has become the working people's party somehow.

eschaton 2y ago

Because the entirety of the Trumpist response is “nuh-uh.” Watch the videos of people giving explanations of tariffs to attendees of Trump rallies. “That can’t be right, he wouldn’t be doing it then” is essentially all the deeper anyone will go. Almost none of the people who support him don’t think beyond their delusion that he has their interests in mind.

YZF 2y ago
You're saying 50% of the US are stupid and those same 50% or so are the Trump voters. Somehow that does not compute. During which presidency did prices go up more? During Trump's last "Tariff" presidency or during the supposed anti-Tariff Biden? "Watch videos of" is why we're banning TikTok. Just kidding. Or maybe not. I can find stupid people in any camp (well, in some more than others) and make a video about how clueless they are. It's super patronizing to just say your opponents are stupid and IMO one of the reasons why the democrats lost these elections (no shortage of other reasons). The delusions don't stop at any demographic or party unfortunately. We just live in a post truth, post civil discussion, polarized, society.
- eschaton 2y ago
  I’m saying about 50% of the people who voted in the last three elections—not 50% of the population—are stupid, yes. And I think that’s borne out by the absolutely terrible and destructive policies articulated by the people they voted for. What’s so hard to understand about that?
- paulryanrogers 2y ago
  The 50% voting for Trump aren't all stupid. Though many are indoctrinated, taught to embrace confirmation bias, the bandwagon effect, and to fear the other. IME they're a diverse group who all bought some just-so stories explaining why life was so much better 4yo. Rose tinted glasses and a repeated call to look to the past to some idealized time that never existed. All that reinforced by a lot of loud distractions to avoid the awkward fact that the pandemic was a disaster, the tax cuts ballooned the deficit more than Biden, benefited mostly the rich, insiders lining their pockets, racking up pardons, and foreign policy that was openly corrupt.

inthewoods 2y ago

I dunno - I heard about tariffs in every single Harris speech. I don't get ads because of my location, but they were clearly saying it.

partiallypro 2y ago
I think the issue is that people don't know what tariffs even are, call it a tax increase and it hits home more.