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I don't get what you're trying to prove with Obama's quote. Is pointing out the existence of a sexist bias the same as taking an anti-men stance? Is being anti-

I don't get what you're trying to prove with Obama's quote. Is pointing out the existence of a sexist bias the same as taking an anti-men stance? Is being anti-racist the same as being anti-white? If some believe those things then right-wing propaganda really has succeded into making their brains impervious to logic, and I'm afraid nothing the democrats can say will undo that.

tekknik 2y ago
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- seanmcdirmid 2y ago
  That is totally the pot calling the kettle. When Trump is being a bully (which he does often) you say "grow a thicker skin, you fragile flower!" When people criticize Trump you say "you are being hatful bullies!" It is just ridiculous that you guys can dish it out but can't take it. Grow up.
  - tekknik 2y ago
    Yet your rhetoric has caused two attempts at a presidents life, and likely more will come. sorry you’re wrong.
    - sofixa 2y ago
      Former president. If he were president when people tried to kill him, he wouldn't be eligible to run again. Also, it was disgruntled right-wingers who tried to kill him, so it's more likely it was his own hateful rhetoric and his own actions (like pedophilia) that motivated the would be assassins.
      - tekknik 2y ago
        Not former. The next president. And they most definitely tried to kill him. Keep denying it, we’re all watching. It will certainly help your cause right?
- sofixa 2y ago
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        dang 2y ago
        You also broke the site guidelines badly and repeatedly in this thread, ignoring the admonition at the top. That's seriously not cool. We have to ban accounts that do this, so please don't do it again. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
  - dang 2y ago
    You can't post like this here, regardless of how wrong others are or you feel they are. We ban accounts that do it, so please don't do it again. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it. You broke them badly and repeatedly in this thread, ignoring the admonition at the top. Not cool.
    - sofixa 2y ago
      Yeah, sorry, I got extremely irritated that people would cite unsubstantiated feelings as proof of what someone else did.
- thrance 2y ago
  Yes, sorry, I in fact require you to provide me some evidence before I believe your insane take of "the left is demonizing men". As a cisgender heterosexual white man myself, I can't recall any piece of legislation, passed or proposed, that would discriminate against me based on those adjectives. I have never felt any kind of animosity toward myself coming from democrats. If you really want examples of hate, go listen to literally any talk from Trump and cie. on gays, lesbians, muslims, blacks, puerto ricans, transgender people, jews, single women, atheists, political opponents... So, I don't require absolute evidence, just any evidence that the democrats have an anti-men agenda. Like the Republicans have an overt anti-lgbt agenda, through laws like "don't say gay", bans on same-sex marriages, redefining sex (a scientific term) in the law...
  - Jcampuzano2 2y ago
    The video linked at the top of this thread is the evidence you asked for, have you even watched it? It doesn't matter if you consider that person a viable source or not, it has clear examples of men being demonized by left leaning sources. So much so that it leaks into pop culture/media. Men clearly feel like they are no longer welcome in many spaces, or are lesser/undervalued. I'm not here to comment on whether thats deserved or not, but it has consequences. You seem to be under the opinion that there has to be a legislative policy or that it needs to have been said by a politician for it to affect someones sentiment, opinion, and voting choice. It doesn't. This said as somebody who did not vote for Trump, not that I liked the other candidate that much though either. There is clear evidence of blatant hateful rhetoric towards men to the point of being considered okay to just openly talk hatefully about men that by nature of cause and affect has also led to growing blatant anti-female rhetoric, and it is driving younger males towards the right by simple gender divide. The right is just better at capitalizing on it.
    - thrance 2y ago
      To be clear, you can find people hating on any group you could come up with. But let's be real here, the hate is largely coming from one side, and that one is not the dems. I know of no mainstream liberal figure that have spoken hateful words against men as a group, while I can rewatch the latest RNC and find many instances of abhorrent speech towards minorities. They are still plenty of white men on TV and in the movies, I have never been insulted because of who I am. I have plenty of LGBT friends who could not care less about my "orthodoxy" and are perfectly happy to spend time with me.
- matsemann 2y ago
  > the point is dems are a hateful group Why do you do these broad generalizations where you demonize an entire group, when it's exactly the problem you have (or, perceive you have..) with how "the left" speak?
  - tekknik 2y ago
    any leftists that aren’t hateful are trying to leave the party and create a new one. or attempting to save the existing party. there is no non hateful democrat doing nothing
    - matsemann 2y ago
      No true scotsman. But sure, label each and everyone is hateful, you're not tribal at all.

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seanmcdirmid 2y ago
That is totally the pot calling the kettle. When Trump is being a bully (which he does often) you say "grow a thicker skin, you fragile flower!" When people criticize Trump you say "you are being hatful bullies!" It is just ridiculous that you guys can dish it out but can't take it. Grow up.
- tekknik 2y ago
  Yet your rhetoric has caused two attempts at a presidents life, and likely more will come. sorry you’re wrong.
  - sofixa 2y ago
    Former president. If he were president when people tried to kill him, he wouldn't be eligible to run again. Also, it was disgruntled right-wingers who tried to kill him, so it's more likely it was his own hateful rhetoric and his own actions (like pedophilia) that motivated the would be assassins.
    - tekknik 2y ago
      Not former. The next president. And they most definitely tried to kill him. Keep denying it, we’re all watching. It will certainly help your cause right?
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      - dang 2y ago
        You also broke the site guidelines badly and repeatedly in this thread, ignoring the admonition at the top. That's seriously not cool. We have to ban accounts that do this, so please don't do it again. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
- dang 2y ago
  You can't post like this here, regardless of how wrong others are or you feel they are. We ban accounts that do it, so please don't do it again. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it. You broke them badly and repeatedly in this thread, ignoring the admonition at the top. Not cool.
  - sofixa 2y ago
    Yeah, sorry, I got extremely irritated that people would cite unsubstantiated feelings as proof of what someone else did.
thrance 2y ago
Yes, sorry, I in fact require you to provide me some evidence before I believe your insane take of "the left is demonizing men". As a cisgender heterosexual white man myself, I can't recall any piece of legislation, passed or proposed, that would discriminate against me based on those adjectives. I have never felt any kind of animosity toward myself coming from democrats. If you really want examples of hate, go listen to literally any talk from Trump and cie. on gays, lesbians, muslims, blacks, puerto ricans, transgender people, jews, single women, atheists, political opponents... So, I don't require absolute evidence, just any evidence that the democrats have an anti-men agenda. Like the Republicans have an overt anti-lgbt agenda, through laws like "don't say gay", bans on same-sex marriages, redefining sex (a scientific term) in the law...
- Jcampuzano2 2y ago
  The video linked at the top of this thread is the evidence you asked for, have you even watched it? It doesn't matter if you consider that person a viable source or not, it has clear examples of men being demonized by left leaning sources. So much so that it leaks into pop culture/media. Men clearly feel like they are no longer welcome in many spaces, or are lesser/undervalued. I'm not here to comment on whether thats deserved or not, but it has consequences. You seem to be under the opinion that there has to be a legislative policy or that it needs to have been said by a politician for it to affect someones sentiment, opinion, and voting choice. It doesn't. This said as somebody who did not vote for Trump, not that I liked the other candidate that much though either. There is clear evidence of blatant hateful rhetoric towards men to the point of being considered okay to just openly talk hatefully about men that by nature of cause and affect has also led to growing blatant anti-female rhetoric, and it is driving younger males towards the right by simple gender divide. The right is just better at capitalizing on it.
  - thrance 2y ago
    To be clear, you can find people hating on any group you could come up with. But let's be real here, the hate is largely coming from one side, and that one is not the dems. I know of no mainstream liberal figure that have spoken hateful words against men as a group, while I can rewatch the latest RNC and find many instances of abhorrent speech towards minorities. They are still plenty of white men on TV and in the movies, I have never been insulted because of who I am. I have plenty of LGBT friends who could not care less about my "orthodoxy" and are perfectly happy to spend time with me.
matsemann 2y ago
> the point is dems are a hateful group Why do you do these broad generalizations where you demonize an entire group, when it's exactly the problem you have (or, perceive you have..) with how "the left" speak?
- tekknik 2y ago
  any leftists that aren’t hateful are trying to leave the party and create a new one. or attempting to save the existing party. there is no non hateful democrat doing nothing
  - matsemann 2y ago
    No true scotsman. But sure, label each and everyone is hateful, you're not tribal at all.